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- - By kgburcham (***) [us] Date 2012-03-18 21:55
Do you have any advice on best memory for SR-X running two E5-2687w CPUs.
I will use the 1200 Watt power supply, dvd player, tech station, two 470 GTX video cards, and the Crucial SSD off of my SR-2.
So I will have to buy four channel memory, 4x2gig for each socket for 16 gigs of ram. This is all the ram I will need for chess.
So give me some memory specs that are currently being sold on NewEgg, or better yet a part number.
Also I am wondering if I can use my Noctua 14s off of my 1366 sockets for the 2011 sockets and just use the new 2011 Noctua mounting brackets.
I left this question at the Noctua site, not sure how quick they are.
I am hoping I can use the same Power Supply plugs for MB power??? Surly SR-X is the same.

So for a SR-X upgrade what does a person need??
1. 4 channel memory, 4x2 gig for each socket to get 16 gigs of ram.
2. 2 E5-2687w CPUs.
3. EVGA SR-X Motherboard. (maybe Asus but for now I will wait on EVGA SR-X)
Is there anything I am forgetting?

I could get one of these tech stations but my home made one looks good and works good and it only costs me about $100 in material, and it is paid for. Just another expense I dont have to have.
http://www.highspeedpc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=TopDeckHPTX
I have the two cpus so maybe all I need is the memory and MB.

thanks
kgburcham
Parent - - By David Evans (***) [eu] Date 2012-03-19 05:06
4 channel memory does not exist any memory that runs dual etc will run in the system.

Quad memory is a selling point not a fact your sr-2 memory if 1600 or over will work just fine.
Parent - - By kgburcham (***) [us] Date 2012-03-19 10:39
I will try that.
I just ordered two more of the 2gig OCZ gold 2000 memory off of Ebay.
This will give me 4 sticks of 2 gig for each socket if I use my SR-2 memory.
The SR-2 has three red slots per socket and the SR-X has four red slots per socket.
I just wanted to make sure I understood going from 3 slots to four slots.
Since no overclock and will run at stock clock of 3.1x16, then I did not want to give up any memory speed.
I will not get rid of my SR-2 until I run several benchtests on my SR-X.
If the SR-X is a dog then I will sell the 2 E5 cpus and the SR-X MB on Ebay and keep the SR-2.
Thanks David.
Parent - - By Werewolf (*****) [gb] Date 2012-03-19 10:40
Whatever you do please post benchmarks. Far too many people are claiming things without doing so.
Parent - By kgburcham (***) [us] Date 2012-03-19 10:59
No problem I am a bench freak.
It will take some time to gather parts.
I have everything ordered now except MB.
Maybe EVGA or Maybe Asus.
I think David went with the Asus dual 2011 socket MB.
I saw a bench chart where Supermicro server board beat out all other brands.
So just because some manufacturers use the word Game does not mean it is the fastest.
It is amazing how a pure server board beat a game board in a bench test.
I noticed Asus also used the word "game".
Parent - - By David Evans (***) [gb] Date 2012-03-19 15:57 Edited 2012-03-19 16:04
Will post some benchmarks next week werewolf are you going to use sr-x?? will be intrested if the asus board kicks out the same benchmarks
Parent - - By Werewolf (*****) [gb] Date 2012-03-19 17:12
Next week I am testing the SR-X running two Sandy Bridge E5 Xeons @ 3.1 Ghz (3.4Ghz with Turbo).

I suspect it will be slower than the SR-2 overclocked to 4-4.5 Ghz, but we'll see. The more data we have the better - this is a lot of money!
Parent - By David Evans (***) [gb] Date 2012-03-19 17:14
Same system but i have the asus board lets see how they fair....

I still expect a performance mark up on the sr-2
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-03-19 18:07
Here is info you want,2x5680's at 4.187 oc,2048 hash 31,260 kN/s at end.
rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1


Analysis by Houdini 2.0 Pro x64:

1.Nc3 Nc6 2.e4 Nf6 3.d4 d5
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 6/16   00:00:00  5kN
1.Nc3
  =  (0.13 ++)   Depth: 7/16   00:00:00  6kN
1.Nc3 Nc6 2.e4 Nf6 3.d4 e6 4.Nf3 b6
  =  (0.13)   Depth: 7/22   00:00:00  6kN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.Bf4 Nc6 4.Nc3
  =  (0.17)   Depth: 7/22   00:00:00  10kN
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nxd5 4.d4 Nc6 5.Nf3 g6 6.Bd3
  =  (0.17)   Depth: 8/22   00:00:00  22kN
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nxd5 4.d4 Nc6 5.Nf3 g6 6.Bd3
  =  (0.17)   Depth: 9/22   00:00:00  30kN
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nxd5 4.d4 Nc6 5.Nf3 g6 6.Bc4 Be6 7.Ne4
  =  (0.18)   Depth: 10/24   00:00:00  50kN
1.e4 d5
  =  (0.12 --)   Depth: 11/27   00:00:00  96kN
1.e4 Nc6 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 d5 4.e5 Ng4 5.d4 e6 6.a3 Be7 7.h3
  =  (0.21)   Depth: 11/27   00:00:00  240kN
1.e4 Nc6
  =  (0.14 --)   Depth: 12/27   00:00:00  416kN
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Ne7 4.Nf3 Nbc6 5.Nc3 Bd7 6.Bd3 Nb4
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 12/27   00:00:00  512kN
1.e4 e6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e5 d4 4.Bc4 Nh6 5.0-0 Nc6 6.d3 Ng4 7.Qe2
  =  (0.25)   Depth: 13/27   00:00:00  675kN
1.e4 e6
  =  (0.18 --)   Depth: 14/28   00:00:00  818kN
1.e4 e6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e5 d4 4.Bc4 Nh6 5.0-0 Nc6 6.d3 Ng4 7.Qe2 Bd7 8.Nbd2
  +/=  (0.28)   Depth: 14/35   00:00:00  1483kN
1.e4 e6
  =  (0.21 --)   Depth: 15/35   00:00:00  1724kN
1.e4 e6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e5 d4 4.Bc4 a6 5.a4 Nc6 6.0-0 Nge7 7.d3 Ng6 8.Re1 Bd7 9.Nbd2 h6 10.Nb3
  =  (0.21)   Depth: 15/35   00:00:00  2300kN
1.e4 e6 2.Nf3 d5 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.d4 Bb4 5.exd5 exd5 6.Bd3 Bxc3+ 7.bxc3 Qe7+ 8.Be3 Nf6 9.0-0 Ne4 10.Bxe4 dxe4 11.Ng5
  =  (0.21)   Depth: 16/35   00:00:00  3536kN
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.e5 Nge7 5.Nf3 h6 6.a3 b6 7.h3 Nf5 8.g4 Nh4 9.Be3 Bb7
  =  (0.22)   Depth: 17/35   00:00:00  7191kN
1.e4 e6
  =  (0.16 --)   Depth: 18/38   00:00:00  14195kN
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.d3 d6 6.0-0 0-0 7.Qe2 Qe7 8.Be3 Bxe3 9.fxe3 Be6 10.Nd5 Bxd5 11.Bxd5
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 18/38   00:00:01  22751kN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.Bf4 Bf5 4.e3 e6 5.Bd3 Nc6 6.Nc3 Bd6 7.Bxf5 exf5 8.Be5 Bb4 9.0-0 Bxc3 10.Bxf6 Qxf6 11.bxc3
  =  (0.13)   Depth: 18/38   00:00:01  27896kN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Bf4 e6 4.e3 Bd6 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Bd3 Bxf4 7.exf4 Nc6 8.0-0 Qd6 9.Qd2 a6 10.Ne2 Ne4 11.Bxe4 dxe4
  =  (0.18)   Depth: 19/40   00:00:02  58058kN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.Bf4 Bf5 4.e3 e6 5.Bd3 Bxd3 6.Qxd3 Nc6 7.0-0 Bd6 8.Nc3 Bxf4 9.exf4 0-0 10.Ne5 Nb4 11.Qe2 Qe7 12.h3 c6
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 20/40   00:00:03  82777kN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.Bf4 Bf5 4.e3 e6 5.Bd3 Bxd3 6.cxd3 Bd6 7.Qb3 0-0 8.Qxb7 Nbd7 9.b3 Bxf4 10.exf4 c5 11.Nc3 Qa5 12.Rc1 Rac8 13.Qb5 Qc7
  =  (0.13)   Depth: 21/40   00:00:05  131mN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.c4 e6 4.Nc3 Nc6 5.e3 h6 6.Bd3 dxc4 7.Bxc4 a6 8.0-0 Bd6 9.e4 b5 10.Bd3 e5 11.d5 Nd4 12.Be3
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 22/44   00:00:12  338mN
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 a6 4.cxd5 exd5 5.g3 Nf6 6.Bg2 Bd6 7.Bg5 c6 8.Nf3 0-0 9.0-0 Nbd7 10.Qc2 h6 11.Be3 Nb6 12.Ne5 Re8 13.Bf4 Nc4
  =  (0.10)   Depth: 23/44   00:00:19  562mN
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.Bd3 Bd6 6.0-0 Nf6 7.Re1+ Be6 8.Nc3 0-0 9.Nb5 Bb4 10.c3 a6 11.Nxc7 Qxc7 12.cxb4 Nxb4 13.Ne5 Rac8 14.h3 Rfe8 15.Qf3
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 23/47   00:00:31  922mN
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.Bd3 Bd6 6.0-0 Nge7 7.Re1 0-0 8.a3 h6 9.Nc3 Be6 10.Nb5 a6 11.Nxd6 Qxd6 12.c3 Bf5 13.h3 Rae8 14.Be3 Bxd3 15.Qxd3
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 24/47   00:00:40  1169mN
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.Bd3 Bd6 6.0-0 Nge7 7.Re1 0-0 8.a3 h6 9.Nc3 Be6 10.Nb5 a6 11.Nxd6 Qxd6 12.c3 Bf5 13.h3 Rae8 14.Be3 Bxd3 15.Qxd3
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 25/51   00:00:59  1768mN
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 dxe4 5.Nxe4 Be7 6.Bxf6 Bxf6 7.Nf3 0-0 8.c3 Be7 9.Bc4 Nc6 10.0-0 Na5 11.Qa4 Nxc4 12.Qxc4 b6 13.Ne5 Bb7 14.Rfe1 Bd5 15.Qd3
  =  (0.18)   Depth: 26/53   00:01:46  3236mN
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 dxe4 5.Nxe4 Be7 6.Bxf6 Bxf6 7.Nf3 0-0 8.c3 Be7 9.Bc4 b6 10.0-0 Bb7 11.Re1 a5 12.Bb5 Qd5 13.Qd3 Nc6 14.Bxc6 Bxc6 15.Ne5 h6 16.Nxc6 Qxc6
  =  (0.17)   Depth: 27/55   00:02:55  5403mN
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 dxe4 5.Nxe4 Be7 6.Bxf6 Bxf6 7.Nf3 0-0 8.c3 b6 9.Bd3 Bb7 10.0-0 Nd7 11.Qc2 Be7 12.Ned2 Nf6 13.Ne4 Nd7 14.Ned2
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 28/61   00:05:33  10417mN

(, Microsoft 19.03.2012)
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-03-19 18:18 Edited 2012-03-19 22:21
As above. kN/s jump around between 10,800 and 11,600.
rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1


Analysis by Zappa Mexico II:

1.d4 Nf6 2.e3 d5 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.Bb5 Ne4
  +/=  (0.28)   Depth: 11/32   00:00:01  2792kN
1.d4 Nf6 2.e3 d5 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.Bb5 Ne4
  +/=  (0.28)   Depth: 11/32   00:00:01  2884kN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bf4 d5 3.e3 e6 4.Nf3 Bb4+ 5.c3
  =  (0.20)   Depth: 12/33   00:00:01  5092kN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bf4 d5 3.e3 e6 4.Nf3 Bb4+ 5.c3
  =  (0.20)   Depth: 12/33   00:00:01  7728kN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bf4 Nh5 3.Bg5 h6 4.Bh4 g5 5.e3 Nf6
  =  (0.24)   Depth: 13/37   00:00:02  12551kN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bf4 Nh5 3.Bg5 h6 4.Bh4 g5 5.e3 Nf6
  =  (0.24)   Depth: 13/37   00:00:02  14002kN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bf4 Nh5 3.Bd2 Nf6 4.Nf3 d5 5.e3 Bg4 6.Be2
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 14/37   00:00:02  19189kN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bf4 Nh5 3.Bd2 Nf6 4.Nf3 d5 5.e3 Bg4 6.Be2
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 14/38   00:00:03  29132kN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bf4 Nc6 3.Nc3 e6 4.e4 Bb4 5.d5 exd5 6.exd5 Qe7+
  =  (0.23)   Depth: 15/39   00:00:06  54382kN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bf4 Nc6 3.Nc3 e6 4.e4 Bb4 5.d5 exd5 6.exd5 Qe7+
  =  (0.23)   Depth: 15/39   00:00:07  61555kN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bg5 d5 4.Nbd2 c5 5.e4 Qb6 6.exd5 exd5 7.Qe2+
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 16/50   00:00:12  122mN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bg5 d5 4.Nbd2 c5 5.e4 Qb6 6.exd5 exd5 7.Qe2+
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 16/50   00:00:17  174mN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bg5 d5 4.Nbd2 c5 5.e4 Qb6 6.exd5 exd5 7.Qe2+ Be6
  =  (0.22)   Depth: 17/50   00:00:27  275mN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bg5 d5 4.Nbd2 c5 5.e4 Qb6 6.exd5 exd5 7.Qe2+ Be6
  =  (0.22)   Depth: 17/50   00:00:31  320mN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bg5 d5 4.Nbd2 c5 5.e4 Qb6 6.exd5 exd5 7.Qe2+ Be6 8.0-0-0
  =  (0.22)   Depth: 18/50   00:00:48  505mN
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 exd4 4.e5 Ne4 5.Qxd4 d5 6.exd6 Nxd6 7.Qe5+ Qe7 8.Qxe7+ Bxe7
  =  (0.23)   Depth: 18/53   00:01:06  705mN
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 exd4 4.e5 Ne4 5.Qxd4 d5 6.exd6 Nxd6 7.Qe5+ Qe7 8.Qxe7+ Bxe7
  =  (0.23)   Depth: 18/53   00:01:14  786mN
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Nxe4 4.Bd3 d5 5.Nxe5 Bb4+ 6.c3 Bd6 7.Nd2 Qe7 8.Qe2 Nxd2 9.Bxd2
  +/=  (0.26)   Depth: 19/57   00:01:47  1146mN
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Nxe4 4.Bd3 d5 5.Nxe5 Bb4+ 6.c3 Bd6 7.Nd2 Qe7 8.Qe2 Nxd2 9.Bxd2
  +/=  (0.26)   Depth: 19/57   00:02:00  1278mN
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 exd4 4.e5 Ne4 5.Qxd4 d5 6.exd6 Nxd6 7.Nc3 Nc6 8.Qa4 Bd7 9.Be3
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 20/59   00:03:27  2254mN
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 exd4 4.e5 Ne4 5.Qxd4 d5 6.exd6 Nxd6 7.Nc3 Nc6 8.Qa4 Bd7 9.Be3
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 20/59   00:05:22  3499mN
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 exd4 4.e5 Qe7 5.Be2 Ng4 6.Qxd4 h5 7.Bg5 f6 8.exf6 gxf6 9.h3 Nc6
  +/=  (0.34)   Depth: 21/61   00:09:09  6055mN

(, Microsoft 19.03.2012)
Parent - - By Werewolf (*****) [gb] Date 2012-03-19 23:44
Thanks Paul - that's exactly what I was after.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-03-20 00:06
I will be as interested as the next man in your findings,you may be better off buying Davids hardware for £900.

suj thinks highly of these new CPU,s.:surprised:
Parent - - By suj (***) Date 2012-03-20 16:08 Edited 2012-03-20 16:10
Which cpu's...David E5649 i know it clocks very well.

e5 clock for clock core for core is better when I get time whichever weekend that is I will post you some numbers on e5-2687 and e5-2690.
Parent - - By Werewolf (*****) [gb] Date 2012-03-22 18:13

> e5 clock for clock core for core is better when I get time whichever weekend that is I will post you some numbers on e5-2687 and e5-2690.


I am testing the e5-2687w tomorrow morning :twisted:
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2012-03-22 19:07
I hope you'll publish some benchmarks here :smile:
Parent - - By Werewolf (*****) [gb] Date 2012-03-22 23:12
Yes I will. Suj never replied to me on the whole core vs core thing (Sandy bridge vs Westmere @ same clockspeeds, equal core count) so that will be an interest to me as well.

If you have anything you especially want me to test let me know...I have 20 minutes with the 16 core workstation @ 3.1 Ghz (3.4 Turbo)
Parent - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2012-03-23 06:26
Rybka 4.1 nps in the starting position would be great
Parent - - By kgburcham (***) [us] Date 2012-03-22 21:57
Werewolf
what memory?
which MB?
are you using the ES cpus?
what is kns before turbo and after?
are you using air coolers if so which ones?

thanks
kgburcham
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-03-22 22:01
its not Carls,he will give us as much info as he can.
Parent - - By ErO Sennin (*) [br] Date 2012-03-23 00:48
new xeons no good overclock, the bus is locked in 100 mhz, and may be increased by 6% (106 mhz), for the moment, the best choice is to wait for intel release Xeon processor serie-X (unlock cpus). The problem is not on the motherboard, but in cpu...
Parent - By kgburcham (***) [us] Date 2012-03-23 00:57
Yes this news has been out for some time.
thanks
kgburcham
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-03-23 01:02
thats what we are waiting for.
Parent - - By kgburcham (***) [us] Date 2012-03-23 01:19
Intel XEON E5-2687w 8 core 3.1gig (locked)
Intel XEON E5-2687x 8 core 3.1gig (unlocked)
Parent - - By David Evans (***) [eu] Date 2012-03-23 05:04
Intel have given no indication any e5 cpus will be unlocked maybe they will release some but I get a feeling they won't this time.
Parent - By kgburcham (***) [us] Date 2012-03-23 10:54
Me too
Parent - - By Ray (****) Date 2012-03-24 05:30
It is no surprise really that these are locked. With a TDP of 150W at stock, cooling an overclocked CPU would be very diffculr
Parent - - By kgburcham (***) [us] Date 2012-03-24 12:51
I want the challenge.
Parent - By mocha1961 (***) [us] Date 2012-03-24 14:06
:cool:
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