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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-05 01:46

> you are AMERICAN,is supossed you must speak a perfect english...


No way, I've been praised for speaking English better than Americans in some occasions, so having a nationality and a language as primary doesn't mean you are going to speak it perfectly.

I'm going to put you as an example as your Spanish isn't perfect either, though you claim it's due to laziness...
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 01:51
Uly,one thing is speak a better language,and another is being a native speaker,speak that poorly language being nearly an illiterate speaker...

my Spanish,if you speak accurately,is a bad Spanish,of course,because i wrote it laziness,but that is too much different from people who doesnt know how to write his own language
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-05 01:53
Yeah, it still doesn't mean Jimmy should speak English perfectly, everyone makes mistakes.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 01:56
well Uly,how big will be that mistakes,that even me,a non english speaker,can observe it?
Parent - - By Homayoun_Sohrabi_M.D. (***) [us] Date 2012-03-05 02:15
I agree with you Barnard.   I just assumed that he was not a native English speaker.    There is no way that you can be a native English speaker in a chess forum and speak such horrendous English.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 02:26
he is a native english speaker..he is american,that is why im so surprised about his language
Parent - - By Homayoun_Sohrabi_M.D. (***) [us] Date 2012-03-05 02:37
that's surprising, then he must not have had any writing education past the 3rd grade -and I don't say that in a sarcastic fashion - it's just a reflection of how he writes.     But again, his education is none of my business.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 02:41
his education is the less harmful of his personal qualities
Parent - - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2012-03-09 12:22
One can learn the game of chess anywhere! In any environment. For some reason it is assumed that one must be literate to learn chess. It is sheer nonsense to connect the two as having a presumptive association.
Parent - - By Homayoun_Sohrabi_M.D. (***) [us] Date 2012-03-09 13:36
There is a guy, Fernando, over at talkchess who on the average makes about 140 grammatical and spelling mistakes in each sentence.    He has a good sense of humor though, I wish he would write in this forum as well.
Parent - - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2012-03-09 14:16 Edited 2012-03-09 14:59
The difference being, Fernando,is a published Chilean. I believe he, was/is a talk show host and, author,  with a firm grammatical grasp of his native tongue.

But I was only pointing out that a persons arterial language in association with the idea of being articulate is not necessarily related to his/her ability to play good chess. The next step in that kind of thinking would be to expect child chess prodigy to expound like a grammarian.

The next erroneous assumption would be to assume that because a person plays good chess they[Whoops] are of good character. My stint in the Forensic Unit, in the County  Public Safety Building, brought me into contact with  many an inmate, who played very good chess- and had lots of time to perfect his game. :wink:
Parent - - By Homayoun_Sohrabi_M.D. (***) [us] Date 2012-03-09 14:35
I think The Hugster's English was like the story of the naked emperor.    When I read his posts, they gave me many wtf moments of confusion, but I figured since he was a forum moderator, that it was me who was at fault for not grasping his profound ideas.    Once Barnard criticized his English though, then the flood gates opened...
Parent - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2012-03-09 14:58
I think this entire episode is very sad.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-09 22:05

>Once Barnard criticized his English though, then the flood gates opened...


i cant understand how,being he a native english speaker,he can write worst english than me...that is something that i cant understand,and even more keeping in mind that i only studied english when i went to school 20 years ago,and just for 4 years
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-09 21:59
you are right,one illiterate person can learn chess,of course...but be for sure,that if you look between illiterate people,you wont find a lot of chess players,in fact,i really doubt that you find any of them
Parent - - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2012-03-09 22:32
That is not true! :wink:
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-09 23:21
well,can you tell me illiterate people that play chess?please,enumerate some of them
Parent - By parmetd (***) Date 2012-03-09 10:25
that is just not true... those of us that having been using the internet since it started will remember whole forums whose horrendous English appeared as jargon. In fact, it wasn't jargon but just bad grammar and so forth. Really with the advent of IM (not texting!) we got all the abbreviations and jargon (LOL, LMAO, TTYL, BRB and on and on and on). But it was the mere formalities that people did not see the reasons for proper punctuation or spell checking that drove all this laziness for speed. It wasn't until companies came along to the internet that people somehow felt the need to formalize to proper English.

All that said, I have to agree that I can't even follow Jimmy's thought pattern most of the time in his English.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-03-05 01:20
unfortunatately Jimmy does not care to explain his actions and does not wish to open himself up fully on the forum.that is his right and i respect it as you are aware i know a lot about others peoples problems and a number know about sad things that happened to me in life.

noone has ever abused this knowledge and i have found strength and support from others when i was down and very depressed.

i have tried to help a few,one was a tester on CCRL and he vanished,he lived in California USA.
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-03-05 01:27
I ask Dadi to remove me form the mods group. You won't hear me say another word in the WBCCC. I'm tried of getting trashed and I'm sure everyone else is tired of seeing me here.
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-03-05 01:31
thanks Jimmy.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 01:36
thanks a lot...but if you have a minimum of shame,you should auto-ban from the forum
- - By Rubén Cómes (****) [ar] Date 2012-03-05 01:06
Who decide if it guy is baned or not???
Please!
BANED NOW!
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 01:38
+1,y apoyo tu decision de que lo baneen del foro

+1,and i support you that he must be banned from this forum

only Dadi Johnson decides if one person is banned or not Ruben

solo Dadi decide si una persona es baneada o no Ruben
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-05 01:44
In which way did the relevant actions of Jimmy affect you? Because here the victim was Paul, and if Paul doesn't think Jimmy should be banned then I don't think the opinion of other people should have effect on this.

I think Paul is satisfied with the results and the matter should be dropped for now.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 01:51
como no le escribas en Españo,creo que no va a entenderte Uly
Parent - By Rubén Cómes (****) [ar] Date 2012-03-05 01:53
Entiendo más de lo que crees. 
Lo que no se es escribir bien, y muchas veces se entienden cosas diferentes a las que quiero expresar.
Parent - - By Rubén Cómes (****) [ar] Date 2012-03-05 01:52
Soy miembro del Foro.
Soy participante del Torneo.
Este sujeto estafó no sólo a Pablo, sino a todos.
No estoy de acuerdo en compartir ningún tipo de ámbito con "gente" de este tipo.
Es sencillo, si no lo banean, yo abandonaré el Foro, y por consecuencia, el torneo.
No es una cuestión que afecte exclusivamente a Pablo.
Y además, creo que Pablo podría reflexionar un poco más profundamente, y quizás comparta que este tipo no puede recorrer el mismo camino que nosotros.
De otro lado, yo pienso que tu opinión, como siempre, es retorcida, rebuscada y que contradices a todos todo el tiempo por deporte, insoportable.
Parent - - By Rubén Cómes (****) [ar] Date 2012-03-05 01:55
Aclaro que el torneo lo abandonaría, en caso de ser necesario, luego de finalizar las dos partidas que tengo en curso, para no beneficiar ni perjudicar a nadie.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-05 02:01
Perjudicarías más al torneo si te salieras que si Jimmy no fuera baneado. Así que con tu amenaza de abandonar el foro si no se cumplen tus demandas perjudicas a todos.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 02:07
''sus demandas''????el solo ha demandado una cosa,y solo una

el demanda lo que han demandado varias personas mas,que se banee a Jimmy del foro,asi de simple y sencillo,por el fraude que ha hecho a Paul,y por extension por el fraude que hizo a todos los demas miembros del foro...amen de cuando borro el thread que se hablaba de todos los problemas del WBCCC 1,y que lo borro porque le dio la santisima gana,porque le venia bien y porque no queria que la gente leyese lo que habia...y ahi no estaba yo escribiendo :lol:

asi que este individuo tiene mas que merecido el baneo del foro,porque lo que ha hecho,no solo esta mal,sino que directamente ESTA CONSIDERADO COMO UN DELITO POR EL CODIGO PENAL,y ese delito afecta a los miembros de este foro...

y si no se le banea,lo unico que va a quedar demostrado es que en este foro se les permite a los delincuentes campar a sus anchas
Parent - By Rubén Cómes (****) [ar] Date 2012-03-05 02:09
Veo tu escala de valores...
Ciertamente es muy dierente a la mia...
Pues sí, no estoy dispuesto a compartir nada con este sujeto.  NADA.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-05 02:00

> Es sencillo, si no lo banean, yo abandonaré el Foro, y por consecuencia, el torneo.


Esto se llama extorcsión. Quieres intimidar a la moderación para hacer algo por tus intereses, a pesar que no has sido afectado.

Es como si yo digo que me salgo del torneo si no te banean, ¿qué sentido tiene esto?
Parent - By Rubén Cómes (****) [ar] Date 2012-03-05 02:04
Esto no se llama extorsión, lamento que no manejes bien el idioma.
No se me puede obligar a continuar transitando un camino que debo compartir con un delincuente.
Por mucho menos, en cualquier Foro medianamente serio, el infractor es baneado.
Lo que no termino de comprender, es porqué te empeñas en defender mínimamente a semejante parásito....
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 02:09
es que Ruben no ha hecho nada para que lo baneen!

el otro tipo,por el contrario,se ha quedado con dinero que no era suyo,y eso ES UN DELITO TIPIFICADO POR EL CODIGO PENAL!

y los que cometen delitos,SON DELINCUENTES!
Parent - - By Rubén Cómes (****) [ar] Date 2012-03-05 02:01
Se que hay muchos Caballeros aquí que compartirán mis conceptos.
No es posible que Hug continúe siendo miembro de este Foro.
Espero que más personas se sumen, y así poder solicitarle formalmente y enérgicamente a Dadi que lo banee.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 02:10
yo me uno a ti Ruben,si no lo banean,yo tambien abandonare el foro y por consiguiente el WBCCC 2
Parent - - By Rubén Cómes (****) [ar] Date 2012-03-05 02:12
Gracias.
No me cabe duda que lo banearán.
Por cierto, en mi pais, Argentina, a tipos como Uly se los procesa por apología del delito, y no se si no roza la complicidad...
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 02:19
no estoy tan seguro de que lo baneen...pero tu y yo tenemos los cojones en nuestro sitio,y sabemos usarlos...a mi nunca me han gustado las cosas ni los tipos como este,y no estoy dispuesto a compartirlo con el si el esta aqui,asi que si lo banean seguire aqui y jugando,y si no lo banean,me ire,pero con la conciencia muy tranquila porque actue cuando debia

hombre,complicidad no creo,pero apologia del delito,en Argentina si que lo hubieran encarcelado
Parent - - By Rubén Cómes (****) [ar] Date 2012-03-05 02:21
En mi Pais no encarcelan a nadie por estas cuestiones.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 02:24
hombre,y que se les hace cuando se les encuentra culpables?darles caramelos?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-05 02:26
No, creo que tú y Barnard son culpables de terrorismo, ya que tienen demandas y haran cosas que perjudicarían a todos si no se cumplen. Si se cumplen sus demandas de beanear a Jimmy, ¿qué impide que pidan más cosas? A la mejor quieres banear a Nelson y tambien pones eso en tus demandas, o Barnard quiere su propio subforo creado o si no se sale. Poner este tipo de condiciones es como adueñarse del foro y que se haga lo que ordenas, y nadie te da este derecho.

TheHug debería ser baneado por que la moderación lo considera correcto, no por que unos miembros amenazen con su salida del foro si no se hacen lo que ellos quieren. Eso es hacer las cosas por la mala en vez de negociar.
Parent - - By Rubén Cómes (****) [ar] Date 2012-03-05 02:32
Te estás manejando con hipótesis ridículas.
Lo de Hug es un hecho, no una posibilidad.
Me siento parte del Foro, mínimamente somos todos dueños.
No ordeno nada, sólo aviso que no estoy dispuesto a compartir nada con este estafador.
La honestidad y la decencia no se negocian para mi.
Si la moderación considera correcto que este delincuente continúe en el Foro, estaré en desacuerdo, y tengo la libertad de retirarme.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-05 02:34
Pero esto se podría aplicar a cualquier cosa del foro "hagan lo que yo quiero o me voy" suena a algo que un niño diría.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 02:35
deja de decir estupideces Uly,aqui nadie esta pidiendo nada,ni nadie va a pedir nada...

y deja de intentar ponernos a Ruben y a mi como los malos de la pelicula,como si nosotros tuviesemos exigencias o estuviesemos haciendo chantaje,aqui solo estamos pidiendo cosas justas,porque este sujeto ha cometido DELITOS TIPIFICADOS EN EL CODIGO PENAL COMO TALES,y quien comete delitos ES UN DELINCUENTE

asi que deja de intentar hacernos parecer a nosotros como los malos de la pelicula,porque no es asi,nosotros ni estamos pidiendo nada desorbitado,ni estamos pidiendo nada estrafalario,sino que se banee a este sujeto,que lo tiene merecido

yo JAMAS he pedido ni pedire que baneen a nadie,salvo casos muy graves,como el de turbo y el de este sujeto

y hablas de negociar:negocio el con la gente (y con Paul) antes de defraudar el dinero?
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 02:01
mas claro,agua...

una claridad de ideas y una exposicion,impecables...

y en tu ultima idea,debo absolutamente darte toda la razon,es retorcido y contradice solo por el placer de tocar las narices,asi de sencillo...aunque en el fondo no es mal tio,es que es asi,no sabe ser de otra forma...solo hay que aprender a jugar a su mismo juego,y si el te contradice,tu contradecirle mas aun a el
Parent - - By Wrath of the Titans (****) [sa] Date 2012-03-05 02:16
Its getting out of control now. :yell:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-05 02:20
Yes, people are joining the blackmail of banning Jimmy or quitting the forum. If NATIONAL12 requested that I'd support it as he's in his own right to do that as the victim. Rúben and Barnard are only doing that because of their dislike of Jimmy. They seem like kids that demand a candy or do a tantrum.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 02:23

>Rúben and Barnard are only doing that because of their dislike of Jimmy.


totally false and wrong:my 99% of the claiming that Jimmy must be banned is for 1)the fraud he made to Paul 2)the fraud he made to all the other users of the forum 3)the lies he told us

and only the 1% is due to my upset with him (personally)
Parent - - By Rubén Cómes (****) [ar] Date 2012-03-05 02:25
NATIONAL 12 no es el único miembro de este Foro.
Él es una de las víctimas de este estafador.
Hay cosas, como en el derecho, que son de orden público, y lo que está sucediendo aquí, bien podría encuadrarse dentro de esas características.
El hecho que Pablo quiera perdonarle la cabeza, no quiere decir que deje de ser culpable.
Como tal, sólo pretendo una mínima condena, el baneo.
Robar y estafar no es quitar un caramelo a un niño, y exigir que se aplique la Ley y el sentido común lejos está de ser un berrinche.
Pero claro está, es poco probable que tu puedas comprenderlo...
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