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- - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-03-04 01:51
if Jimmy is not removed from this forum i will never play again.
a while back i sent him money to buy a new computer,i recieved no thanks for this(did not bother me).

Jimmy was wonderful in setting up WBCCC 2011 and i like most was thankful for what he did.

this tournament went well until Jimmy could not come up with prize money.I like a mug believed him others realised this guy was a con merchant,i did not.i sent him further money to enable him to pay out at least some prize money,by his own admission he spent this on so called medical expenses.(i never received any receipt for this)

Rybka forum took over my debt.Jimmy from what i understand agreed to repay them( ie Lukas) by say july or so

now by his own admission to me has lost his first 2 games due to to put it politely other activities in his life.

i can onlly say to Jose on this matter that you were right.
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-03-04 02:16
So what are you trying to do play good cop and bad cop with me? This was your last PM to me not to long ago. (before this thread came up)

"i believe you Jimmy,i welcome your comments on WBCCC games.i would never dream to ask for comments made on mod forum.

despite my harsh criticism of you on your behavior,i welcome your opinions of various games.

you lost your first 2 games,is this because of above.

best Paul."
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-04 02:19
agree with you about ALL points of your post Paul
Parent - - By Rubén Cómes (****) [ar] Date 2012-03-04 07:13
Sorry, i don't understand..
Please, anyone can translate to spanish?
Thanks in advance.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-04 09:25
"Si Jimmy no es expulsado de este foro no volveré a jugar.

Ya tiene mucho que le envié dinero para comprar un nuevo orderador, y ni siquiera me dió las gracias (pero no me molestó.)

Jimmy hizo un excelente trabajo organizando el WBCCC 2011 y yo como la mayoría estoy muy agradecido por sus acciones.

Este torneo estubo bien hasta que Jimmy no pudo conseguir el dinero de los premios. Yo de tonto le creí, otros creyeron que este tipo era un estafador,  pero yo no. Le envíe más dinero para que pagara al menos en parte el dinero de los premios, y el mismo admitió que lo uso en lo que llamó gastos medicos (nunca vi recibos de esto)

El Foro de Rybka se encargó de la deuda. Por lo que entendí Jimmy se puso de acuerdo para pagarle (a Lukas) en Julio o por ahí

Ahora, él admite haber perdido sus primeros 2 juegos por lo que educadamente se le llamaría otras actividades de la vida.

Lo único que puedo decirle a José respecto al asunto es que tenía razón."
~NATIONAL12
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-03-04 10:02
You really didn't make your point very clear in this post Paul, I do understand you finally came around to now. Before you go throwing around these kinds of posts you should think about what you are saying. SO the reason you want me out is because of my poor play.
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2012-03-04 10:24 Edited 2012-03-04 10:27
I strongly support this opinion, Paul.

Last year a player was banned out of the forum, not without reason, because he was trying to cheat in the tournament. What Jimmy Huggins has done with Paul's money and WBCCC prizes is, in my opinion, much more serious than what SP did, and not only he is not banned but also this guy is playing the same tournament than all of us (no comments about his first two games), without any punishment.

He has not told us any word of explanation and apologies. He allowed that another person bought a trophy for the winner. Of coourse, no word to say thanks.

He is moving and deleting posts and threads using his moderator's rights.

Please, stop.

EDIT: to make it clear: IMO of course he should be out of the tournament but he also should be bannned out of the forum immediately.

spanish: en mi opinión no sólo debería salir fuera del torneo, sino que también debería ser expulsado del foro inmediatamente.
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-03-04 10:28
Well Paul mixed his words here, he seems this thread was more about my poor play than anything else (going by the last PM here). Well David found a couple of great moves and I got beat, and I played an ambitious line vs Garvin. Oh ok I got beat, but no were in the lines was I trying to throw a game..
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2012-03-04 10:30
no comments
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-03-04 10:33
Its not going to matter what I say I look like a fool either way.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-03-04 10:35
i dont believe you threw games deliberately and indeed were playing fine players,however from my point of view little effort was put into your game play.
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-03-04 10:39
Yeah and opening this thread opened a lot of hell that wasn't needed. Yeah like I said I missed a great move by David, is it not possible to miss a good move. Just look at Om game form last year when he got hit with the g6 move.
Parent - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2012-03-04 11:04 Edited 2012-03-04 11:08

> Yeah and opening this thread opened a lot of hell that wasn't needed


Once more, don't be confused: the guilty is not the one opening the thread, but the one who is responsable of all the hell now coming out

> Yeah like I said I missed a great move by David, is it not possible to miss a good move.


You are right here, we all miss good moves sometimes. Your opponents played better, they put more efforts and, of course, they won. That is fair.

EDIT: do not deviate attention with your two games from the main core of the thread
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-04 21:19
why you dont start telling us THE TRUTH?

1)what did you do with the money Paul sent you to pay the winners of WBCCC 1?

2?why you never sent Paul any recipe or something similar to show him you DIDNT use his money he sent you to buy a new computer,to buy a new computer?

3?why you never told him 'thanks' when he sent you money to buy a new computer?

4?why are you deleting the posts of your interest,taking advantage that you are a mod?

5?why if you have a minimmum of shame,you dont ban yourself,or ask Dadi to ban you?

you got the money,used for your own interest,and you made a fraud to a very generous person like Paul is...if you have a minimum of shame,you should leave this forum FOREVER!

but i think you havent shame,you are a swindler,as you showed to us keeping money that arent for you!!
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-04 21:29
Huh, it seems I'd have to play devil's advocate here? :eek:

The money that Paul sent to pay the prizes in part was finally used to pay the winners via Rybka Team. It's now just an issue with Jimmy paying back the money to Rybka Team.

Now:

I agree with the expulsion of Jimmy from tournament.
I'd agree to forum demotion if it comes to that, though I think Jimmy has done a great job as moderator.
I think forum banning would be too much, and only a necessary punishment if he doesn't repay Rybka Team the money.

I didn't know that Paul sent money to TheHug for a computer and Jimmy never bought the computer? :eek:, are you sure this happened?
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-04 21:44

>I didn't know that Paul sent money to TheHug for a computer and Jimmy never bought the computer? , are you sure this happened?


really really sure Uly,ask to Paul

>The money that Paul sent to pay the prizes in part was finally used to pay the winners via Rybka Team


that never mas neccesary if Jimmy used the money that Paul sent him to pay the winners of WBCCC 1 instead of using the money for his own purposes

>I think Jimmy has done a great job as moderator.


a great job???deleting the thread os his interest,when he wants,to prevent people reading what is wrote???or moving posts just when he wants????

>I think forum banning would be too much, and only a necessary punishment if he doesn't repay Rybka Team the money.


he made a fraud (yes,a fraud,Paul sent him money to pay the winners,and he used it for HIS OWN PURPOSES,and that is a FRAUD),when Paul sent him money to buy a computer,he didnnt bought the computer,he overpases his atributions like moderator,and he only must be punished and not banned????people who made less damage than him was banned from the forum,why must be him different?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-04 21:51

> that never mas neccesary if Jimmy used the money that Paul sent him to pay the winners of WBCCC 1 instead of using the money for his own purposes


From what I understand, Jimmy had a medical emergency and had to do that. His biggest mistake was keeping it secret for months instead of stating it clearly from the beginning.

>a great job???deleting the thread os his interest,when he wants,to prevent people reading what is wrote???or moving posts just when he wants????


Those are just exceptions, after Felix left Jimmy was basically the guy that kept the forum running because the other moderators were idle.

I also move posts "when I want". Lukas also moves or deletes posts "when he wants". As moderators we have the right to do that, and you can't critique it generally. You have to critique it specifically (some instance in where moderator abuse happened. In the latter case of branching posts to Drama Llama, it may be more "bad judgment" than abuse.)

I also think that when Paul said "remove Jimmy from this forum", he meant from the WBCCC, and not from the entire Rybka Forum, though he can correct me if I'm wrong.
Parent - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2012-03-04 21:55

>after Felix left Jimmy was basically the guy that kept the forum running because the other moderators were idle


Sorry, but this is not true.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-04 22:03

>"remove Jimmy from this forum


that is clear,remove from forum,is clear,is forum...of course,you are smart,and you are trying to see if Paul is calmed down and rethinked about what he said,right?

but he was CLEAR:forum is FORUM

>From what I understand, Jimmy had a medical emergency and had to do that. His biggest mistake was keeping it secret for months instead of stating it clearly from the beginning.


that is a fraud...the money was sent him to pay the winners...even if that is true,and i doubt all,because he lied a lot,why must that time be the true?

>Those are just exceptions


exceptions?he made wrong,he  must pay,so simply
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-04 22:15
I think that if Paul wanted Jimmy banned from THE WHOLE Rybka Forum he would have told me so when discussing the issues by Private Message. All we've spoken about were Jimmy's removal from tournament and moderation team, to which I agreed.

>that is a fraud...the money was sent him to pay the winners...even if that is true,and i doubt all,because he lied a lot,why must that time be the true?


What if it was a life or death issue, and Jimmy would have ended up dead to pay the prizes? Would this change anything? We don't know the severity of the medical emergency. I think it would be really serious fraud if you assume Jimmy lied about it (where making him show his receipts would be important), but if the money was used finally used to pay the prizes then the problem is that it took to long to do it.

I think I'll step side from the issue until Paul clarifies if he wants Jimmy permanently banned from the whole Rybka Forum, or if he only wants Jimmy's removal from tournament, as I think this is an important point.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-04 22:21
y dale dandole vueltas a la tortilla...porque narices sigues apoyando al estafador este que solo se ha quedado el dinero que Paul le mando para pagar a los ganadores?

si Paul le mando dinero para que se comprase un ordenador,que no es necesario ni ninguna urgencia vital,crees que no se lo hubiese mandado si le hubiese dicho que se estaba muriendo,por ejemplo????

Jimmy es un ESTAFADOR!asi de simple y sencillo...cogio el dinero que le dieron para otras cosas,y se lo gasto en lo que quiso...desde siempre ha mentido,y ahora sigue mintiendo,diciendo que tiene o tuvo urgencias medicas...y tu,te lo crees...mira que eres ingenuo Uly

>I think I'll step side from the issue until Paul clarifies if he wants Jimmy permanently banned from the whole Rybka Forum, or if he only wants Jimmy's removal from tournament, as I >think this is an important point


bien,y si Paul lo quiere baneado del foro de rybka,vas a apoyar a Paul (que te ha ayudado tanto monetariamente),o vas a seguir apoyando al estafador de Jimmy?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-05 00:08

> bien,y si Paul lo quiere baneado del foro de rybka,vas a apoyar a Paul


Por supuesto.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 00:24
ya,eso lo dices ahora que Paul dijo que una vez que lo quiten de moderador y del torneo del WBCCC 2,no le importa lo que pase/le hagan...

creo que Paul tiene una humanidad,que ni viviendo Jimmy 5000 años,podra merecerla...a mi me hace lo que le hizo a Paul,y no pido que lo baneen,pediria que le metan un tiro para evitar que vuelva a estafar a nadie mas,porque asi tendria por seguro que a nadie mas estafaria
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-05 00:30
For English speaking people, Barnard is saying that he'd request TheHug to be shot to the head for his actions, and I think this goes overboard.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 00:39
i never said shot to his head...

si tu no entiendes lo que es una frase hecha,no es mi culpa,asi de sencillo...pero que hay que hacer algo para evitar que un estafador vuelvan a estafar a mas gente,y que si hay que hacer daño a alguien,es preferible hacerselo al estafador antes que al inocente,es algo fuera de toda duda,porque asi al menos evitas que el estafador sga con sus estafas,Y NADA DE ESTO SERIA NECESARIO SI EL ESTAFADOR NO ESTAFASE,ASI COMO NO SERIA LA POLICIA NECESARIA SI NO HUBIESE LADRONES,HOSTIA!

y tu,abogado de pleitos pobres,deja de defender al estafador,y mira que estas mordiendo la mano que te ha ayudado cuando lo has necesitado...no eres mas que un desagradecido
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-03-05 00:36
Well Salvo you really don't know me very well. but this seems to be your reaction to anyone that just says one thing you don't like. You think you can just call people assholes and whatever bad name you can think of, because someone says something you disagree with or moves your posts were you directly call someone a trash name, for stating there opinion. Thats not going to fly on any forum you are on.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 00:46

>seems to be your reaction to anyone that just says one thing you don't like


false,Uly tells a lot of things that i dont like,and when turbo posted he is gay,i was the first who defend Uly;i defend what i think is hones and true

you moved my thread/posts,and that made me upset,right,but what about what you did with the money that Paul sent you to pay the winners of WBCCC 1?what did you do with it?

and what did you do with the money that Paul sent you to buy a new computer?because is very clear you never bought it;you played very very very weak games,that even me can play WITHOUT ANY ENGINE

so can you please answer me,and answer pleople 4 simply questions:

1)what did you do with the money that Paul sent you to pay the winners of WBCCC 2?

2)what did you do with the money Paul sent you to buy a new computer?

3)why you played soo poor and weak games?

4)if you have shame,are you going to leave WBCCC 2 and your mod privileges?
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-03-05 00:56
I already said I was getting out of the tournament. Yes I do have the computer I said I got by Paul I told him it was a duo core and its very similar to what you have. I have won plenty of games before, this isn't the only place I play at. I think you are getting a little bit of a big head if you think you can beat me without an engine. I do think you are a decent player, it wouldn't be easy to draw Paul in a game.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 01:13

>I do have the computer I said I got by Paul I told him it was a duo core


Paul sent you money to buy a new computer,and you ''have'' a duo core?strange...but even if that is true,can you explain how you played so very weak games???even if you leave the computer alone analizing (IA),you will play better than you played,be sure...so can you explain your poorly chess keeping in mind that even the computer alone will play better than the chess you played?

>this isn't the only place I play at.


excuses,i have near about 20 running games at LSS (all must be told,that games are played 40 days for 10 moves accumulative),and im playing a good chess with a very old computer

>I think you are getting a little bit of a big head if you think you can beat me without an engine


well,im also a relatively strong OTB player...and even forgetting that,and even having similar computers,you forgot our 2 games at correspondence thread?at both games you were lost
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2012-03-05 11:40

> but he was CLEAR:forum is FORUM


Lately, language has become rather sloppy here on the Rybka Forum in that respect: subfora are often simply stated as fora, so this might be the source of confusion.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 17:46
there isnt confusion here,as you are reading,a lot of people want TheHug banned from the forum,not only Ruben and me
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2012-03-05 18:48
There was apparently confusion here--you interpreted Paul's statement as saying to "remove Jimmy from the forum", when in fact, he has now made it very clear that he only wanted him removed from the WBCCC subforum.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 19:03
read Paul's latest post about it,and you will see you are wrong
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2012-03-05 19:14
Paul says, "On the matter of banning Jimmy,i only wanted him removed as a moderator and from WBCCC."

Thus, whether or not he changes his opinion at some other time, he has made it very clear that his statement, to which you were replying at the time, was about removing him from the WBCCC "forum" (and removing him as moderator)--definitely NOT banning him from the Rybka Forum altogether.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 19:17

>However in view of all the acrimony it has caused it may be wisest thing to ban him from forum until at least the money is repaid


copied and pasted from the latest message of Paul about that thing on this thread

as i said you,you are wrong
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2012-03-05 19:46 Edited 2012-03-05 19:49

> Thus, whether or not he changes his opinion at some other time, he has made it very clear that his statement, TO WHICH YOU WERE REPLYING AT THE TIME, WAS about removing him from the WBCCC "forum" (and removing him as moderator)--definitely NOT banning him from the Rybka Forum altogether.


You seem to be missing the difference between past, present, and future.  You were replying about something in the past.  Paul clarified his statement that was made--the very statement to which you were replying.  Trying to change the argument into something that he now thinks is a good idea is what you are doing.  At the time that you originally replied, there was confusion about the use of the term "forum".  That's the only thing I'm arguing about.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-05 19:58
the post he made just a few hours ago,his more recent post,is very clear,read yourself:

>However in view of all the acrimony it has caused it may be wisest thing to ban him from forum until at least the money is repaid


it may be wisest thing to ban him

you understand the meaning of the words ''it may be wisest thing to ban him''?

even if you are right,and at the time i originally posted was 'confusion' as you say,now the postion is very clear,with him and with a lot of other people that want the same that i asked for
Parent - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2012-03-06 00:24
What he thinks at the present is fine (though I disagree with him--though granted, I have relatively little knowledge on this issue other than what I have read in the threads).

I was simply noting the confusion that arises with how the word "forum" is used, and noting that when you said "forum is forum", the word that you were referencing was actually used to mean "subforum".
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2012-03-04 22:01 Edited 2012-03-04 22:03
Uly, I understand your position here, but come on!

1) Jimmy Huggins kept Paul's money for him self, that is the real fact number one.
2) The fact Rybka team has made a movement in favor of the forum, and now the issue goes between Jimmy Huggins and Rybka Forum does not change at all fact number one.
3) We are all taking as a starting point that prize fond was Paul's money, and that is certainly false. He just told us, with three months delay, that "sponsors let him down". Fact number two.
4) He has moved and deleted threads that he should not touch, that is fact number three.

Needless to comment about the lack of details, the lack of apologies, the lack of public explanations.

SchacProfi was banned of the forum for ever, not without reason, when he was caught 'trying to cheat' all of us. How would you name facts one and two? Do you think they are worse than 'trying to cheat', similar, or better?
Parent - - By keoki010 (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-03-04 23:30
Do you think maybe he has a gambling problem and gambled away all the money/s sent to him trying to come up with enough to take care of his obligations?  That's what most people with problems would do! :red::roll::sad:
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2012-03-04 23:40
well, it may be, as any other reason could be. 

anyway, being a gambler with gambling problems is certainly a pitty, but does not solve the problem nor atenuates his responsability.
Parent - By keoki010 (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-03-04 23:44
Yes, you are right! He should have given a better explanation... :roll:
Parent - - By Schachmatt (****) [us] Date 2012-03-05 02:53

> 1) Jimmy Huggins kept Paul's money for him self, that is the real fact number one.
> 2) The fact Rybka team has made a movement in favor of the forum, and now the issue goes between Jimmy Huggins and Rybka Forum does not change at all fact number one.
> 3) We are all taking as a starting point that prize fond was Paul's money, and that is certainly false. He just told us, with three months delay, that "sponsors let him down". Fact number two.
> 4) He has moved and deleted threads that he should not touch, that is fact number three.


Point 1 is serious, whatever paul's intention for that money loaned to jimmy should be abided by jimmy.  that or return the money.  failure to do so is disingenuous.

Next point I would make is that for prize money donated, credit should be given to whom it is due. 

that is all i have to say on this.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-05 02:58

> Next point I would make is that for prize money donated, credit should be given to whom it is due.


The person that ended up giving the prizes, to which Jimmy is now in debt, has chosen to remain anonymous.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-04 21:06
agree with Paul (NATIONAL12) and Jose (ppipper) and Ruben (Ruben Comés):Jimmy (TheHug) should be out of the tournament due to his too poorly play,and of course,must be banned from the forum  due to his misuse of its powers as a moderator and all the other things that happened at WBCCC 1,about his fraud to Paul with the money that he sent him to pay to the winners and the other money he sent to buy a computer,and he never sent...

for all of that reasons,Jimmy (TheHug) must be should out of the tournament and banned for his entire life of this forum
- - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-03-04 04:05
Fine Paul you win, I will remove myself form the tournament.
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2012-03-04 10:29
Don't be confused: this is not Paul's win. It is all the last edition player's win.

Nobody is doubting about the good things you did for WBCCC I, but of course, it is not enough.
Parent - By Wrath of the Titans (****) [sa] Date 2012-03-04 11:29
I had great time and experience with Jim. The only thing saddens me is his lack of explanation to close out all the issues unresolved that surrounds him. This will continue to hunt you down Jim unless you give an answer. This will continue to trigger lots of awfull discussion, so finally I would suggest you to have a sincere statement for all the fuss happened in WBCCC I, prizes, etc you know all the issues.
Parent - By Rubén Cómes (****) [ar] Date 2012-03-04 23:39
+1
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-04 21:06
and what about banning yourself of the forum?
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