![[gb]](/mwf/v12/flags/gb.png "United Kingdom")
A small report. The first major tournament since the 2008 freestyle is since Sunday in the second stage. There have been 20 qualified from 50 participants from the 10 preliminary groups for the second stage and now play in 4 groups of 5 players and from these four groups the winners take part in the knockout finals, where the winner receives 800 U.S. $ and the three others Fini prices (converted to a value of 200, - / 100 - and 50 - U.S. $).
The tournament has relatively strong players, including 2 FIDE GM (already retired), and several previously correspondence chess-GM/SIM/IM and leading freestylers.
There are 8 stand-alone Engines that participated, and while they achieved several draws and occasional victories against centaurs, of which only one has made it into the second stage, a Komodo 4 single core engine (dt Participants: time_bandit).
With only 4 games, it sometimes takes a little luck to get to # 1 or 2 in the group and qualify. The field is as wide-spread practice internationally. Of the original 12 German participants, only 3 are in the race. Two withdrew at the beginning because of illness, one was conspicuous by its absence unexcused and will be blocked in future.
The game is played with the time format of 60 minutes + 15 sec per move.
Although the server is still in the testing phase, it has been technically trouble-free over 90% of 100 games. There were only on a few occasions where it was necessary to start the game again, besides, there were 2-3 cases where a player was possibly due to a strong "lag" getting more time credited. These cases are still under investigation, but as I said they were rare individual cases. The server has so far been relatively stable.
On Sunday, 19th February starts our 2nd Freestyle tournament (yes, while the 1st tour is still running) and we invite you all to join:
Download FREE playing client here http://www.infichess.com/Web/Page/Default.aspx
Title: 2nd Freestyle Chess Tour 2012 [registration]
Invitation: Registration open. Please send your "want in" for the new tour. 1st Prize: 800 $ 2nd Prize: 2'000 Fini 3rd Prize: 1'000 Fini 4th Prize: 500 Fini
1st Stage
Type: Round Robin
Team:
Round: 5
Rated: Yes
Allow Tie Break: Yes
Time Control: 60' + 15''
Registration Start: 2/9/2012 12:30:00 PM
Registration End: 2/18/2012 9:00:00 PM server time (Abu Dhabi)
Tournament Start: 2/19/2012 9:00:00 PM server time (Abu Dhabi)
Tournament Director: JoJo
Daring and reliable as possible are welcome to expand the group of players.
Here are some links:
The games of the preliminary rounds 1st Freestyle tour 1st Stage, groups 1-10 PGN database (rar file) HERE
Forum with the latest news and updates of results http://infinitychess.freeforums.org/portal.php
Regards
Arno Nickle
InfinityChess
Translated/edited by CumnorChessClub
The tournament has relatively strong players, including 2 FIDE GM (already retired), and several previously correspondence chess-GM/SIM/IM and leading freestylers.
There are 8 stand-alone Engines that participated, and while they achieved several draws and occasional victories against centaurs, of which only one has made it into the second stage, a Komodo 4 single core engine (dt Participants: time_bandit).
With only 4 games, it sometimes takes a little luck to get to # 1 or 2 in the group and qualify. The field is as wide-spread practice internationally. Of the original 12 German participants, only 3 are in the race. Two withdrew at the beginning because of illness, one was conspicuous by its absence unexcused and will be blocked in future.
The game is played with the time format of 60 minutes + 15 sec per move.
Although the server is still in the testing phase, it has been technically trouble-free over 90% of 100 games. There were only on a few occasions where it was necessary to start the game again, besides, there were 2-3 cases where a player was possibly due to a strong "lag" getting more time credited. These cases are still under investigation, but as I said they were rare individual cases. The server has so far been relatively stable.
On Sunday, 19th February starts our 2nd Freestyle tournament (yes, while the 1st tour is still running) and we invite you all to join:
Download FREE playing client here http://www.infichess.com/Web/Page/Default.aspx
Title: 2nd Freestyle Chess Tour 2012 [registration]
Invitation: Registration open. Please send your "want in" for the new tour. 1st Prize: 800 $ 2nd Prize: 2'000 Fini 3rd Prize: 1'000 Fini 4th Prize: 500 Fini
1st Stage
Type: Round Robin
Team:
Round: 5
Rated: Yes
Allow Tie Break: Yes
Time Control: 60' + 15''
Registration Start: 2/9/2012 12:30:00 PM
Registration End: 2/18/2012 9:00:00 PM server time (Abu Dhabi)
Tournament Start: 2/19/2012 9:00:00 PM server time (Abu Dhabi)
Tournament Director: JoJo
Daring and reliable as possible are welcome to expand the group of players.
Here are some links:
The games of the preliminary rounds 1st Freestyle tour 1st Stage, groups 1-10 PGN database (rar file) HERE
Forum with the latest news and updates of results http://infinitychess.freeforums.org/portal.php
Regards
Arno Nickle
InfinityChess
Translated/edited by CumnorChessClub
Thanks for sharing!
I am strongly considering to participate in a next event.
It will mostly depent on prof workload and timmings.
rgds
I am strongly considering to participate in a next event.
It will mostly depent on prof workload and timmings.
rgds
![[es]](/mwf/v12/flags/es.png "Spain")
A small report, maybe too small. Let's expand it a little.
First of all, a correction, this is actually the first tournament since 2009, and not a major one in line with the PAL/CSS, which indeed took place four years ago.
The strength of the players is really puzzling.
On the one hand we have very strong ones, but on the other, we can see players hanging queens or playing like this:
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 e5 5. Nf3 Bc5 6. Qd2 Nxe4 7. Qe2 Bxf2+ 8. Kd1 d5 9. Nxe5 f6 10. Qb5+ Nc6 11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. Qxc6+ Bd7 13. Qxd5 Bg4+ 0-1
Not surprisingly, the white player was never seen again. Other weak players included some newcomers who were eliminated in the first stage (much like the FIDE GMs, mind you) and the stand-alone engines, which rarely put up a fight, and weren't able to make it to the second stage, except for the one in group 10, something which can hardly be attributed to the fact that it only ran on 1 CPU, but rather on the overall level of said group.
Probably the exception, because some groups showed a very high level, arguably, the highest ever seen in any chess tournament. Which prompted the early elimination of known players such as: Mark Eldridge, Ralf Greweling, Alvin Alcalá (current FICGS freestyle champion), Erdogan Günes (long time computer chess expert and author of the Rondo book for the 2010 WCCC in Kanazawa), Clay Hofmeister (winner of the the Mundial Chess tournament in 2010), Patrik Schoupal (EtaoinShrdlu), Mark Noble (New Zealand correspondence chess champion in several occasions), Roger Zibell (Houdini book author) and Herbert Kruse (Kreuzfahrtshiff). And this isn't the only proof, the fact that the first and second placed players in the last Freestyle have, so far, drawn all of their games against centaurs, is something to note.
The luck factor. With the current tournament format, I would say that more than "a little luck" is needed to pass to the second stage. I know this very well, because my group was probably the second weakest of them all, and I had no trouble winning all four games, I even doubt I will be able to score more than 50% in the second stage. Not that I'm complaining, luck is something the underdog needs, it's the big guns who should worry about it.
Known bugs.
-The lag is there, and specially, when your opponents PC goes to sleep it means he's basically playing without a clock. Something to fix urgently, because it asks too much micromanagement from the administrators, who need to keep a close eye on each and every game to prevent such techniques.
-If you throw a piece away the client prevents you from making any move. As found out by Eros.
-Many games against stand-alone engines had to be restarted in the main hall, as there were problems in the group rooms. There was also a bug were the engine had to play without book, leading to an easy win for the centaur opponent.
First of all, a correction, this is actually the first tournament since 2009, and not a major one in line with the PAL/CSS, which indeed took place four years ago.
The strength of the players is really puzzling.
On the one hand we have very strong ones, but on the other, we can see players hanging queens or playing like this:
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 e5 5. Nf3 Bc5 6. Qd2 Nxe4 7. Qe2 Bxf2+ 8. Kd1 d5 9. Nxe5 f6 10. Qb5+ Nc6 11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. Qxc6+ Bd7 13. Qxd5 Bg4+ 0-1
Not surprisingly, the white player was never seen again. Other weak players included some newcomers who were eliminated in the first stage (much like the FIDE GMs, mind you) and the stand-alone engines, which rarely put up a fight, and weren't able to make it to the second stage, except for the one in group 10, something which can hardly be attributed to the fact that it only ran on 1 CPU, but rather on the overall level of said group.
Probably the exception, because some groups showed a very high level, arguably, the highest ever seen in any chess tournament. Which prompted the early elimination of known players such as: Mark Eldridge, Ralf Greweling, Alvin Alcalá (current FICGS freestyle champion), Erdogan Günes (long time computer chess expert and author of the Rondo book for the 2010 WCCC in Kanazawa), Clay Hofmeister (winner of the the Mundial Chess tournament in 2010), Patrik Schoupal (EtaoinShrdlu), Mark Noble (New Zealand correspondence chess champion in several occasions), Roger Zibell (Houdini book author) and Herbert Kruse (Kreuzfahrtshiff). And this isn't the only proof, the fact that the first and second placed players in the last Freestyle have, so far, drawn all of their games against centaurs, is something to note.
The luck factor. With the current tournament format, I would say that more than "a little luck" is needed to pass to the second stage. I know this very well, because my group was probably the second weakest of them all, and I had no trouble winning all four games, I even doubt I will be able to score more than 50% in the second stage. Not that I'm complaining, luck is something the underdog needs, it's the big guns who should worry about it.
Known bugs.
-The lag is there, and specially, when your opponents PC goes to sleep it means he's basically playing without a clock. Something to fix urgently, because it asks too much micromanagement from the administrators, who need to keep a close eye on each and every game to prevent such techniques.
-If you throw a piece away the client prevents you from making any move. As found out by Eros.
-Many games against stand-alone engines had to be restarted in the main hall, as there were problems in the group rooms. There was also a bug were the engine had to play without book, leading to an easy win for the centaur opponent.
una pregunta,es gratuito registrarse?
y si esa pregunta es afirmativa,cuantos participantes se espera que haya?
gracias
y si esa pregunta es afirmativa,cuantos participantes se espera que haya?
gracias
Es gratis.
Esperemos que no menos de los 50 que han participado en el primer torneo.
Esperemos que no menos de los 50 que han participado en el primer torneo.
hombre,pues vere de registrarme...
voy a quedar el ultimo,pero jugare contra gente fuerte,o al menos eso espero
voy a quedar el ultimo,pero jugare contra gente fuerte,o al menos eso espero
Xico,eres valencià?asó es tot un descobriment 
Un descobriment per a tu
En qualsevol cas, no oblides que ací es juga amb màquines, ho cregues o no, n'hi ha gent que es va queixar perquè fèiem trampes!
En qualsevol cas, no oblides que ací es juga amb màquines, ho cregues o no, n'hi ha gent que es va queixar perquè fèiem trampes!
ja se que es juga amb màquines,en qualsevol torneig per correspondencia es juga...els anàlisis sempre es fan amb elles...
no em digues,es van queixar perquè feieu trampes?
jo el valencià l'escric de 'poble',de gramàtica les falle totes
no em digues,es van queixar perquè feieu trampes?
jo el valencià l'escric de 'poble',de gramàtica les falle totes
>You can not send wantin request. Only 2nd Freestyle Chess Tour 2012 [registration] or higher rank can play tournament
he intentat registrar-me,i no em deixa,aixo es lo que em diu...entonces no puc registrar-me?
has provat a la web?
fes-ho al servidor, dintre del programa, i davant cap problema demana un administrador si et pot pujar de nivell
fes-ho al servidor, dintre del programa, i davant cap problema demana un administrador si et pot pujar de nivell
a la web es on he provat...i no em deixa
dintre del programa no se com fer-ho
i bo,ara vore si per fi m'aclare com fer-ho dintre del programa,sino li demanara un administrador que em puje de nivell,encara que no se si ho fara,tenint en conter que hi han premits en metal.lic
dintre del programa no se com fer-ho
i bo,ara vore si per fi m'aclare com fer-ho dintre del programa,sino li demanara un administrador que em puje de nivell,encara que no se si ho fara,tenint en conter que hi han premits en metal.lic
en la web no em deixa ni enviarlos un missatge,em diu que el missatge deu tindre meyns de 1000 caracters,quan no en te ni 200...
xe,que no em calfe mes el cap,pareix que eixa web l'han feta apreses i correguent,perque el mexim elo que em deixava ficar que tenia jo era 2000,en aixo que el diga,prou...
escolta,tu estas registrat en forocoches?quin nick utilitzes alli?
xe,que no em calfe mes el cap,pareix que eixa web l'han feta apreses i correguent,perque el mexim elo que em deixava ficar que tenia jo era 2000,en aixo que el diga,prou...
escolta,tu estas registrat en forocoches?quin nick utilitzes alli?
No, no i soc allà. Deixa-t de missatges a la web, parla a dintre del servidor mateix amb un administrador, han pujat de nivell a gairebé tothom.
es que no se com s'entra dintre del servidor i es parla amb un administrador,ho he intentat i em lie...
es mes,he baixlat el client,i ni siquiera se com s'utilitza,ni per a jugar,ni com anirien els jocs del torneig,etc...
Llavors poc servei et puc fer, em pensava que dominaves l'anglès i el programes d'ordinador, això es condició necessària.
home,l'anglès el domine prou com per a entendre tot el que em diguen,el problema es que el clien que he baixat no el ceneixia,hi no se com utilitzarlo...de fet,no se ni com comenÇar un joc nou en ell,per aixo que quasi millo oblidar lo de registrarme,encara que moltes gracies por la teua ajuda...
de totes formes,poc anava a fer,quan tin un ordinador que te 5 anys,i alli hi ha gent que te ordinadors amd 12 processadors
de totes formes,poc anava a fer,quan tin un ordinador que te 5 anys,i alli hi ha gent que te ordinadors amd 12 processadors
![[mx]](/mwf/v12/flags/mx.png "Mexico")
Guys, why don't you have that conversation by private message?, or in a language other forum members can understand.
Don't worry, I think it's over.
no et preocupes,aquest sols busca marejar la perdiu i buscarme els peus al nano a mi...
dime Uly,hay alguna norma que prohiba mantener una conversacion y postear mensajes en un idioma diferente al ingles en el foro?
![[ar]](/mwf/v12/flags/ar.png "Argentina")
No, pero estaría muy bueno poder entender lo que dicen, asi aprendemos algo...
Yo entendí que no está permitido el uso de apoyo de ordenadores. Es asi?
Yo entendí que no está permitido el uso de apoyo de ordenadores. Es asi?
no,no fue asi Ruben,el uso de ordenadores si que esta permitido...hablabamos en valenciano
yo le dije que queria inscribirme en el torneo,y el me dijo como hacerlo...el problema es que me baje el cliente,y no habia forma ni de configurarlo ni de nada...y el me dijo de escribirle a un administrador para que me subiese de nivel,porque en la pagina oficial de ellos,solo dejan inscribir con un elo maximo de 2000,y aun asi me dijo que mi elo era bajo...y tambien me explicaba como era el torneo,y poca cosa mas...solo que me extraño que el viviese en la misma provincia que yo,y por eso le hable en nuestro idioma regional(que solo se habla en nuestra provincia,y que hablaran supongo menos de 2 millones de personas)...
ademas,el añadio que hay gente jugando que les ha tachado de tramposos porque usan ordenadores para jugar,algo ilogico porque juegan engines,que ya me diras tu donde juegan los engines mas que en un ordenador
p.s. si quieres una traduccion literal,solo dimelo y te lo traduzco,sin problemas Ruben
yo le dije que queria inscribirme en el torneo,y el me dijo como hacerlo...el problema es que me baje el cliente,y no habia forma ni de configurarlo ni de nada...y el me dijo de escribirle a un administrador para que me subiese de nivel,porque en la pagina oficial de ellos,solo dejan inscribir con un elo maximo de 2000,y aun asi me dijo que mi elo era bajo...y tambien me explicaba como era el torneo,y poca cosa mas...solo que me extraño que el viviese en la misma provincia que yo,y por eso le hable en nuestro idioma regional(que solo se habla en nuestra provincia,y que hablaran supongo menos de 2 millones de personas)...
ademas,el añadio que hay gente jugando que les ha tachado de tramposos porque usan ordenadores para jugar,algo ilogico porque juegan engines,que ya me diras tu donde juegan los engines mas que en un ordenador
p.s. si quieres una traduccion literal,solo dimelo y te lo traduzco,sin problemas Ruben
No es necesario. Gracias.
de nada
Wikipedia:
"The number of Catalan speakers is over 7 million"
"The number of Catalan speakers is over 7 million"
xe,no vages ara a torcer tot,que jo no parle catala,jo parle valencia...jo soc 'blavero',per a mes senyes
![[de]](/mwf/v12/flags/de.png "Germany")
my opps played very strong and i was really impressed by BadBoy who outplayed me easy. i guess he has good database and a twice as quick pc as my quickest, but i was very impressed
he didnt make it to the next round, but he will next time :)
he didnt make it to the next round, but he will next time :)
BadBoy is playing the second stage, and it's actually one of the players who hung the queen
maybe he used the cluster :)
and mistyped the queens loss
and mistyped the queens loss
In his game, the queen was just the icing on the cake, but if you retract the move, you'll see he was already lost, probably as early as move 9!
I really don't know what was wrong with him. It's probably the second worst game of the tournament, only surpassed by the one I mentioned above. Check it out, you'll have a good laugh.
I really don't know what was wrong with him. It's probably the second worst game of the tournament, only surpassed by the one I mentioned above. Check it out, you'll have a good laugh.
It's quite normal and has been the same in all PAL/CSS tours, that newcomers with unknown playing strength join a tour, but in my view there was only one player who really played liked a "beginner" or should we say, more correctly, he might habe been played without engine support (besides a very entertaining game, as you showed). This happened in your group, and as a second player withdraw in your group (due to illness, he had to go to hospital), we replaced that one by a stand-alone engine.
Though most of the stand-alone engines were a bit handicaped by using the small Infinity book, they got 40 per cent of the points (12 out of 30).
"Known bugs":
- It's the first time, I hear from a bug "as found out by Eros": "If you throw a piece away the client prevents you from making any move". Most probably you refer to "Dohakiin's" last game two days ago, and I guess, "throw a piece away" doesn't mean blunder, but dropping the piece off the board. That's a rather unusual bug, and we will try to reproduce it. It should not be possible "to throw a piece away" and such did not happen in thousands of games before.
- It's not correct saying "Many games against stand-alone engines had to be restarted in the main hall, as there were problems in the group rooms. There was also a bug were the engine had to play without book, leading to an easy win for the centaur opponent."
Correct is: Only one of the 8 engines, Deep Junior 13, while the others were Rybka/Houdini/Chiron/IvanHoe/Komodo/Stockfish/Critter, played 2 games outside the tour room. Moreover, the reasons cannot be identified as an Infinity bug: in the first case (vs. mateinfour) the user, who had just installed Deep Junior for the first time, did not find the right settings applying to InfinityChess (and once a game has been aborted or ruled by the TD, you cannot repeat it in the tour room), in the second case the player (Stabiloboss) suffered a bug due to an incorrect installation, again the game could not be repeated in the tour room. Once Junior played without book in the first game, we decided it had to play all 3 games without book.
Nevertheless, thanks for your report with some interesting info's and views.
Though most of the stand-alone engines were a bit handicaped by using the small Infinity book, they got 40 per cent of the points (12 out of 30).
"Known bugs":
- It's the first time, I hear from a bug "as found out by Eros": "If you throw a piece away the client prevents you from making any move". Most probably you refer to "Dohakiin's" last game two days ago, and I guess, "throw a piece away" doesn't mean blunder, but dropping the piece off the board. That's a rather unusual bug, and we will try to reproduce it. It should not be possible "to throw a piece away" and such did not happen in thousands of games before.
- It's not correct saying "Many games against stand-alone engines had to be restarted in the main hall, as there were problems in the group rooms. There was also a bug were the engine had to play without book, leading to an easy win for the centaur opponent."
Correct is: Only one of the 8 engines, Deep Junior 13, while the others were Rybka/Houdini/Chiron/IvanHoe/Komodo/Stockfish/Critter, played 2 games outside the tour room. Moreover, the reasons cannot be identified as an Infinity bug: in the first case (vs. mateinfour) the user, who had just installed Deep Junior for the first time, did not find the right settings applying to InfinityChess (and once a game has been aborted or ruled by the TD, you cannot repeat it in the tour room), in the second case the player (Stabiloboss) suffered a bug due to an incorrect installation, again the game could not be repeated in the tour room. Once Junior played without book in the first game, we decided it had to play all 3 games without book.
Nevertheless, thanks for your report with some interesting info's and views.
The games played by Deep Junior 13 plus two more out of 30 are many games from my point of view. You may have another, of course.
"I guess, "throw a piece away" doesn't mean blunder, but dropping the piece off the board." Your guess is as good as mine, I was just using his words; as usual we take his word for something unprecedented and try to reproduce it after the fact
"I guess, "throw a piece away" doesn't mean blunder, but dropping the piece off the board." Your guess is as good as mine, I was just using his words; as usual we take his word for something unprecedented and try to reproduce it after the fact
Anybody knows who won this tour?
![[nl]](/mwf/v12/flags/nl.png "Netherlands")
1-2. Eros Riccio and David Evans are joined first as they could not decide on a play-off date (really...).
3. MiG29 (=Fulcrum2000)
3. MiG29 (=Fulcrum2000)
Join first?
Does it mean they share the prize money?
BTW, congrats on a great tour.
Does it mean they share the prize money?
BTW, congrats on a great tour.
yes
This is correct we both ran into scheduling problems so it was decided to share the first place rather than force one player to not play due to scheduling problems.
I myself will not be entering any more freestyle until arno trys out the old format of weekend play which he has said could be april/may time so i will wait until then to continue.
But i must say i was on good form shame i could not make much week day playtimes..
I myself will not be entering any more freestyle until arno trys out the old format of weekend play which he has said could be april/may time so i will wait until then to continue.
But i must say i was on good form shame i could not make much week day playtimes..
![[ch]](/mwf/v12/flags/ch.png "Switzerland")
Hi!
Can I ask you the favor to compile a direct pgn of the games to download so I can open them directly within my ipad2 chess viewer since I am not close to an "normal" OS where I can extract rar files.
Thank you !
Can I ask you the favor to compile a direct pgn of the games to download so I can open them directly within my ipad2 chess viewer since I am not close to an "normal" OS where I can extract rar files.
Thank you !
![[sa]](/mwf/v12/flags/sa.png "Saudi Arabia")
I also lost after playing risky chess because of tournament situation I need to play for a win. I was outplayed and well done by my opponent. I saw some games and some players are lucky to have easy wins.
Please send me your email address, if you haven't got the games otherwise:
infinitychess[at]t-online.de
infinitychess[at]t-online.de
![[in]](/mwf/v12/flags/in.png "India")
Can u give link to all games in pgn ?
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