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- - By Magnus Friedmann (***) [ro] Date 2012-02-09 15:22
Vas has indicated that his next edition of Rybka (Rybka 5) will be issued in the first half of 2012. The programmer wrote: ''In other news, I'm working on Rybka. Rybka 5 will be ready sometime this year and the remote Rybka renting will be launched sometime after that. We'll make announcements on our web site and in our forum when we have more information. It should be a fun year''.
             What are the latest news about the DEEP RYBKA 5? In what stage is the project? Can we rely on what Vas said even though Lukas said things are going slwer than they expected?
Parent - - By Dragon Mist (****) [hr] Date 2012-02-09 15:25
..., are we alone in the universe, who killed Kennedy, ...
Parent - By InspectorGadget (****) [za] Date 2012-02-09 20:46

> ..., are we alone in the universe, who killed Kennedy, ...


:lol:
Parent - - By Werewolf (*****) [gb] Date 2012-02-09 15:47

> Vas has indicated that his next edition of Rybka (Rybka 5) will be issued in the first half of 2012.


No he didn't. He said "probably summer" and then Lukas made noises to suggest things were going slower than expected. I wouldn't get your hopes up....

:cry:
Parent - By cghori (**) [us] Date 2012-02-09 16:03
Who cares about Deep Rybka 5?  Just get Rybka 5 out ASAP.  That's good enough.
Parent - - By Magnus Friedmann (***) [ro] Date 2012-02-09 16:34 Edited 2012-02-09 16:52
Maybe they wait for HOUDINI 3 to be released, to see if there's a significant ELO jump from HOUDINI 2c.... I'm afraid DEEP RYBKA 5 NEEDS at least 100 ELO improvement only to be ahread of HOUDINI for approximately 6 months :( Honestly, guys, are there any REAL chances to see Rybka number 1 again? I hope...
Parent - By cghori (**) [us] Date 2012-02-09 17:04
I mean just get regular Rybka 5 out first.  Deep Rybka could come out later.
Parent - - By M ANSARI (*****) [kw] Date 2012-02-10 05:51 Edited 2012-02-10 05:54
If Rybka 5 does get released, it will be released as the #1 engine ... at least at LTC or big hardware.  I actually doubt Houdini will be #1 for very long as Houdart seems to have lost interest in engine chess after all the negative stuff thrown at him.  Houdini is already very well optimized and the easy gains will be harder to find.  An engine that I think will be #1 is an MP Komodo, and Rybka 5 will probably have to beat that.
Parent - By Gaмßito (****) [cr] Date 2012-02-10 07:15

> I actually doubt Houdini will be #1 for very long as Houdart seems to have lost interest in engine chess after all the negative stuff thrown at him.


I doubt Houdart have lost interest. Maybe you can give more details?

> An engine that I think will be #1 is an MP Komodo, and Rybka 5 will probably have to beat that.


Quite probable Komodo 4 MP will be a bit stronger than Houdini 2 at slow time controls. Note that if Rybka 5 can be stronger than that, then we are talking Rybka 5 will be at least 80-90 Elo points stronger than Rybka 4.1. I'm really not sure that it will be so good.. Hope so. :smile:

Regards,
Gaмßito.
Parent - - By Stonehenge (***) Date 2012-02-10 14:04

> If Rybka 5 does get released, it will be released as the #1 engine ... at least at LTC or big hardware.  I actually doubt Houdini will be #1 for very long as Houdart seems to have lost interest in engine chess after all the negative stuff thrown at him.  Houdini is already very well optimized and the easy gains will be harder to find.  An engine that I think will be #1 is an MP Komodo, and Rybka 5 will probably have to beat that.


To beat Houdini 3 the future rivals will have to be at least 3050 Elo in the IPON list.
Do you think they will?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-02-11 03:27

> To beat Houdini 3 the future rivals will have to be at least 3050 Elo in the IPON list.


Why so many attention to a list that doesn't even share its games?
Parent - - By Stonehenge (***) Date 2012-02-11 09:58

> Why so many attention to a list that doesn't even share its games?


IPON is the best single-core rating list currently available.
Parent - - By Ray (****) Date 2012-02-11 10:32

> IPON is the best single-core rating list currently available.


If the games were available, yes. Otherwise not.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-02-12 06:34
+1
Parent - By Razor (****) [gb] Date 2012-02-12 08:14
Because it has become the standard that most people use as a reference point when judging the ranking of chess engines.  Most of the forum text in recent months use a reference to IPON and not CCRL or CEGT {to name just two other test houses} and I suspect that this is mainly because most people like the 'Timeliness' of results, the 'Clarity' of the list.

The argument around the lack of insight into the games played {effectively part of the method} is not something the majority of people are interested in; I guess it ultimately just comes down to 'Trust' and you either have it or you don't and it appears from the majority using IPON that most people trust Ingo.
Parent - - By Werewolf (*****) [gb] Date 2012-02-12 20:26

> To beat Houdini 3 the future rivals will have to be at least 3050 Elo in the IPON list.
> Do you think they will?


Fighting talk! :twisted:

IF you have achieved such an improvement then, IMO, I think you will be no.1 for certain. Vas may have done it privately but he won't stick that much elo in Rybka 5. Komodo may get there eventually though, who knows.

But you tease us. Yes you tease us, can't you give us a hint at the release date? Just a little hint? How about before or after July 2012?
:grin:
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-02-12 20:28
The real test for Rybka will be the cloud version. I hope that they (Vas and Chessbase I guess) will get this out sooon :lol: and that they will provide time for evaluation by the testing groups.
Parent - - By Werewolf (*****) [gb] Date 2012-02-12 20:35

> The real test for Rybka will be the cloud version. I hope that they (Vas and Chessbase I guess) will get this out sooon :lol: and that they will provide time for evaluation by the testing groups.


agreed.
Parent - By tomgdrums (****) Date 2012-02-13 01:59

>> The real test for Rybka will be the cloud version. I hope that they (Vas and Chessbase I guess) will get this out sooon :lol: and that they will provide time for evaluation by the testing groups.
> agreed.


I am not so sure the cloud model is all that solid.  Fritz 13's cloud like Let's Check feature didn't really bowl anyone over that much!
Parent - - By Stonehenge (***) Date 2012-02-13 00:22

> But you tease us. Yes you tease us, can't you give us a hint at the release date? Just a little hint? How about before or after July 2012?


The current schedule for the Houdini 3 release is September 2012 - I like the idea of a yearly release.
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-02-13 02:21
That may coincide with Vas' early 2012 scheduled release! :wink:
Parent - By Werewolf (*****) [gb] Date 2012-02-13 08:43
:eek: Thanks for reply, usually chess programmers just say 'soooon' or something.

September will be a big month!
Parent - By oudheusa (*****) [nl] Date 2012-02-12 21:18
nice, when do you expect to release?
Parent - By tomgdrums (****) Date 2012-02-10 15:50

> I actually doubt Houdini will be #1 for very long as Houdart seems to have lost interest in engine chess after all the negative stuff thrown at him.


This is an odd statement.  What would be your basis for that?
Parent - By Razor (****) [gb] Date 2012-02-11 17:07
Not looking very likely at the moment is it!  :sad:
Parent - Date 2012-02-10 23:36
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- By rocket (***) [se] Date 2012-02-13 14:54 Edited 2012-02-13 15:13
I just want to say that I love the topic title!  so insanely twisted and pretentious analogy:grin:
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