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Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2012-02-10 14:05
ups, I thought it was not allowed to anyone but the players :confused:
Parent - - By Master Om (*****) [in] Date 2012-02-10 14:10
Dont take it Otherwise. Its not like helping.
My point was white position is such that he cannot develop pieces to usual squares.
Now mostly unorthodox development will follow but not in your side. You will have classical plan.
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2012-02-10 14:31

> My point was white position is such that he cannot develop pieces to usual squares.


That was also my point some posts ago, when I posted that black would recover his a6 loss of tempo due to some what unorthodox white development.

And that is mainly the whole idea of ...a6. Not only it prevents some white moves on queen side, but it also helps to restrict white's own space for pieces on the other flank. Everything in life has a cost, and one of them is that ...a6 is rather passive move and does not allow black to even equalize (still :wink:)
Parent - By Master Om (*****) [in] Date 2012-02-10 14:59
I knew that a6 is not passive , in chess language its called Prophylaxis.
I saw nato's comment and as I know he understands french not so well, i didn't comment.
When queens get out off the bard, its the Queen side majority that wins the game.
Note:- Black is not bound to castle here :wink:
Parent - - By Wrath of the Titans (****) [sa] Date 2012-02-10 15:06
I was ready to play g4/h4 until OM gave that recommendation. I think we (garvin) need to provide a guidelines about this things.
Parent - By Master Om (*****) [in] Date 2012-02-10 15:21
I havenot said about g4 .
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-02-10 22:35
Bad form.  Please refrain from cheerleading for one move versus another.

White with 58.3% and 26.1% draws.
Parent - - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2012-02-10 14:12

> ups, I thought it was not allowed to anyone but the players


Correct ppipper.
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2012-02-10 14:24
Thanks Garvin.

I just wanted to point out that we must be careful with comments about future moves. In any case, OM's point taken and there is not problem at all.

Having said that, constructive and interesting chatting like OM use to do is always welcome.
Parent - - By Master Om (*****) [in] Date 2012-02-10 15:02

>Having said that, constructive and interesting chatting like OM use to do is always welcome.


Thank you Jose. But I wont post like that next time.
Parent - - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2012-02-10 15:06

> Thank you Jose. But I wont post like that next time


Basically it is a case that talking about past moves is ok, but talking about the future is not. If one of the players was to contact me and told me they had an issue with the commentary, then I would advise everyone of such and it would cease at that point.

But as no one has contacted me, carry on talking about past moves, so long as past move discussion is not going to impact future moves.
Parent - - By Master Om (*****) [in] Date 2012-02-10 15:09
It shouldn't IMHO as Its the players choice. My suggestions came with a lazy stare at the bizarre position.
Parent - - By Wrath of the Titans (****) [sa] Date 2012-02-10 15:16
It would still affect the game play OM as everyone of us have different perspective of the position. Better to comment on past moves but on future moves is a big NO.
Parent - By Master Om (*****) [in] Date 2012-02-10 15:19
Ok Ok I got it. I need center fresh I think.
Parent - - By Master Om (*****) [in] Date 2012-02-10 15:20
Should I delete the post ?
Parent - - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2012-02-10 15:23
No need. Comments already seen by both players and the issue is being addressed. Deleting it changes nothing. Better to keep it up there as a frame of reference.
Parent - - By Master Om (*****) [in] Date 2012-02-10 15:36
Damn!! Ok. If any one comments in my game although it wouldnt have mattered much to me. I will play what I want.
Hope Both of them understands it.
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2012-02-10 15:51
sure, no problem!

Issue solved and closed.
Parent - - By Master Om (*****) [in] Date 2012-02-10 15:53
Thank god!!
Parent - - By Scott (****) Date 2012-02-10 16:31
Please don't worry about it Om, we don't really listen to you anyway, :razz:
Parent - - By Master Om (*****) [in] Date 2012-02-10 16:35
Awesome!! :smile:

Sometimes when I point finger to the moon, many are interested on the finger !! :grin:
Parent - - By Wrath of the Titans (****) [sa] Date 2012-02-10 16:41
lolz @ Scott
Parent - - By Master Om (*****) [in] Date 2012-02-10 16:41
:mad::mad::mad::mad:
Parent - By Scott (****) Date 2012-02-10 17:16
:eek::lol:
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-11 19:45
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "natmaku"]
[Black "ppipper"]

r1bqk2r/1p1nbppp/p1n1p3/2ppP3/3P1P2/P1P2N2/1P2N1PP/R1BQKB1R b KQkq - 0 9

Game 185377. In progress
[WhiteTime "25 days, 11 hours, 42 minutes"]
[BlackTime "27 days, 23 hours, 18 minutes"]
[Moves "1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.Nf3 a6 7.Ne2 Be7 8.c3 Nc6 9.a3"]
- - By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-12 21:15
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "natmaku"]
[Black "ppipper"]

r1bqk2r/1p1nbppp/p1n1p3/3pP3/2pP1P2/P1P2N2/1P2N1PP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - 0 10

Game 185377. In progress
[WhiteTime "25 days, 11 hours, 42 minutes"]
[BlackTime "26 days, 22 hours, 49 minutes"]
[Moves "1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.Nf3 a6 7.Ne2 Be7 8.c3 Nc6 9.a3 c4"]
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-02-12 22:18
Novelty move.  Had been following Elfriede-Tooeasy, 0-1, an ICC games from 2003.
Parent - - By Kappatoo (****) [de] Date 2012-02-12 22:23
Wow, that's an early novelty. And ICC? I.e., a server blitz game between two humans?
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-02-12 22:39
Yes, about your ICC game observations.  The players had decent ratings (2400+, which roughly translates to 2000 ELO) thus I kept them in the database.  As a percentage of the total database ICC games probably represent 1% or less.
Parent - - By Kappatoo (****) [de] Date 2012-02-12 23:03
Aha, interesting. You should have some embarassing games of a guy called 'Kappatoo' then as well.

By the way, here is an ICC story which you as a German scholar may appreciate: I (as, I assume, virtually everyone who played a sufficient number of games there) was insulted innumerous times on ICC, mostly when I had just won a game. But this one time, it really made me laugh: I was playing against some Russian guy and got completely destroyed. As I was just contemplating the ruins of my position, my opponent just said: 'kaputt'.
Parent - By Scott (****) Date 2012-02-13 01:58
Good story, :lol:
Parent - By Schachmatt (****) [us] Date 2012-02-12 22:25
surprising so early, esp. as c4 is a common response to a3 with c3 played in an advance french structure.
Parent - - By BigBen (****) Date 2012-02-15 07:34

>Novelty move.  Had been following Elfriede-Tooeasy, 0-1, an ICC games from 2003


Hi,
   I have something a little different but these things can be sketchy lol

inmortal (2489) - Morfius (2725) [C11]
Dos Hermanas Internet Tournament, Secti Internet Chess Club (3), 19.03.2003
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-02-15 12:24
That's interesting.  Can you print the whole game so I can see if this is really a different game or my game has been obfuscated (that sometimes happens)?
Parent - - By BigBen (****) Date 2012-02-15 12:57

>That's interesting.  Can you print the whole game so I can see if this is really a different game or my game has been obfuscated (that sometimes happens)?


Hi,
    Sure no problem m8

inmortal (2489) - Morfius (2725) [C11]
Dos Hermanas Internet Tournament, Secti Internet Chess Club (3), 19.03.2003

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.Nf3 a6 7.Ne2 Nc6 8.a3 Be7 9.c3 0-0 10.Ng3 cxd4 11.cxd4 Qb6 12.Bd3 f6 13.Ne2 Na5 14.Bc2 Nc4 15.b3 Nxa3 16.Bxa3 Bxa3 17.0-0 Bb4 18.Qd3 f5 19.g4 g6 20.Ng5 h6 21.Nf3 Kf7 22.Kh1 Rg8 23.Nh4 Qc7 24.Rg1 Nb6 25.Rg3 Bd7 26.Rag1 Bb5 27.Qe3 Qxc2 28.gxf5 gxf5 29.Rxg8 Rxg8 30.Rxg8 Kxg8 31.Qg3+ Kf8 32.Qg6 Qxe2 33.Qf6+ Ke8 34.Qxe6+ Be7 35.Nxf5 Qf1# 0-1

I played in an early Dos ICC 5 min tournament and got removed from the tournament for having the cheek to beat an I.M :roll:

Regards
Parent - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2012-02-15 20:53
Thanks for the game.

I am glad to see your 6...a6. Anyway, I think 8.c3 is slightly better move than 8.a3
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-02-15 23:02
I see what happened.  I already have the game you posted (whew!), but coincidentally there is the game I cited as well.  The Inmortal game plays 9...O-O while Elfriede plays 9...f5.  Both were ICC games from 2003, and my book GUI picked one over the other for reasons I cannot determine.  That's quite a coincidence!
- - By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-13 17:30
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "natmaku"]
[Black "ppipper"]

r1bqk2r/1p1nbppp/p1n1p3/3pP3/2pP1P2/P1P1BN2/1P2N1PP/R2QKB1R b KQkq - 0 10

Game 185377. In progress
[WhiteTime "24 days, 16 hours, 29 minutes"]
[BlackTime "26 days, 22 hours, 49 minutes"]
[Moves "1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.Nf3 a6 7.Ne2 Be7 8.c3 Nc6 9.a3 c4 10.Be3"]
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2012-02-14 08:52
Next one is one of my favorite moves in these positions. The positional meaning, together with the double edge risk and the thematic theory about it. Also, white will have no less than half a dozen responses and I hope to gain some time pressure here.

I will post ...f5 in a while.

I hope it works.
Parent - - By Wrath of the Titans (****) [sa] Date 2012-02-14 09:10
I was expecting it, the stonewall strategy.
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2012-02-14 09:48 Edited 2012-02-14 09:51

> I was expecting it


ups great, then I will get an answer soon! :wink:

I think it's worth to analyze together (well, if you want to) this critical position (some moves around) when the game is finished. There is a lot.
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2012-02-16 00:39
"> I was expecting it

ups great, then I will get an answer soon! :wink:"

I doubt that your move was indeed expected... :-), action doesn't look like it was... and the out-of-book-magic has just begun... *g*
Parent - By Wrath of the Titans (****) [sa] Date 2012-02-16 02:00
There are so many ways to play this position, I'm in no hurry.
- - By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-14 09:35
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "natmaku"]
[Black "ppipper"]

r1bqk2r/1p1nb1pp/p1n1p3/3pPp2/2pP1P2/P1P1BN2/1P2N1PP/R2QKB1R w KQkq f6 0 11

Game 185377. In progress
[WhiteTime "24 days, 16 hours, 29 minutes"]
[BlackTime "26 days, 7 hours, 44 minutes"]
[Moves "1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.Nf3 a6 7.Ne2 Be7 8.c3 Nc6 9.a3 c4 10.Be3 f5"]
Parent - - By Wrath of the Titans (****) [sa] Date 2012-02-16 03:42
Server is down... :eek: I cant move! :roll:
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2012-02-16 05:35
:-( Maybe(!) a sign from heaven reconsidering your choice???
But rest assured, will most likely be online again soon... :-)
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-02-16 05:59
The good news is it will be back up fast and players should see more time when Dadi fixes it. :)
Parent - - By Wrath of the Titans (****) [sa] Date 2012-02-16 10:05
Ok so I will again hold my move for about one day...no hurry big mama T.
Parent - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2012-02-16 10:13
there is no hurry natmaku, take all the time you need. The position deserves it.

I have a firm intuition about what is your move going to be, though. I will write it down in a secret envelop :cool:
Parent - By Turbo (***) Date 2012-02-17 00:33
You will now be a nice&gentle guy or Masteress T. will help you being one, capiche?... ;-)
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