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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-02-06 03:03

> Do you mean you play the French against 1.d4?


Yes.

>White will have to be cooperative then.


It seems after 1...e6 the best answer of white is 2.e4.
Parent - - By Kappatoo (****) [de] Date 2012-02-06 09:38

> It seems after 1...e6 the best answer of white is 2.e4.


Unless you have some very fancy replies to 2.c4 and 2.Nf3 in mind, doesn't this imply that 1...e6 is not the best move?

OTB, only few d4 players play 2.e4 after 1...e6. I guess this is different in correspondence chess, where you don't have to memorize any lines.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-02-06 10:09

>OTB, only few d4 players play 2.e4 after 1...e6.


I think in Nelson's database 2.e4 is the top scoring move.
Parent - - By Kappatoo (****) [de] Date 2012-02-06 10:59
So?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-02-06 11:21
How often the move is played OTB doesn't say anything about the move's quality, and I rather trust Correspondence chess usage and the backtracked database results.
Parent - - By Kappatoo (****) [de] Date 2012-02-06 11:46
Okay, I see what you mean now. My point about how often the move is played OTB was unrelated to the question about its quality, sorry for the confusion.
My other point still stands, though: After 1...e6, white can either transpose into some standard d4 line, or play against the French. If you think that the latter is the better choice, this suggests that you think 1...e6 is not the best.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-02-06 12:08
I said 2.e4 is the best answer after 1...e6, not that 1...e6 is the best answer against 1.d4. I just said that's my choice, because my corr opponents are likely to go for the French, and I like the French better than other standard d4 lines as black.
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2012-02-05 05:19
Heck, Hans Berliner is famously quoted as concluding that it is "almost winning".  I don't think that this conclusion can be supported nowadays, to say the least.
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-02-05 14:37
Well, I would never make such a claim.  All I can say is that is very slightly better.
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-04 22:20
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "deka"]
[Black "Mark_Eldridge"]

1rbq1rk1/4ppbp/p2p1np1/n1pP4/2P5/2N3P1/PBQNPPBP/R4RK1 b - - 0 13

Game 185374. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 20 hours, 53 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Na5 9.Nd2 a6 10.Qc2 Rb8 11.b3 b5 12.Bb2 bxc4 13.bxc4"]
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-04 22:45
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "deka"]
[Black "Mark_Eldridge"]

1rbq1rk1/4pp1p/p2p1npb/n1pP4/2P5/2N3P1/PBQNPPBP/R4RK1 w - - 0 14

Game 185374. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 20 hours, 53 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Na5 9.Nd2 a6 10.Qc2 Rb8 11.b3 b5 12.Bb2 bxc4 13.bxc4 Bh6"]
- - By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-04 22:50
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "deka"]
[Black "Mark_Eldridge"]

1rbq1rk1/4pp1p/p2p1npb/n1pP4/2P2P2/2N3P1/PBQNP1BP/R4RK1 b - - 0 14

Game 185374. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 21 hours, 50 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Na5 9.Nd2 a6 10.Qc2 Rb8 11.b3 b5 12.Bb2 bxc4 13.bxc4 Bh6 14.f4"]
Parent - By Turbo (***) Date 2012-02-04 23:35
Beautiful position for some fighting-chess! :-)
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-02-05 00:12
First seen in Botvinnik-Donner, 1958.  Black with 34.9% and 29.6% draws.
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-02-05 00:29
well Donner was a strange guy,by far the best Dutch player at the time and wrote a very funny and good book.THE KING published by NEW IN CHESS,a great fun read and astute comments on the game.He was a real lefty though and to me appeared like a lot of his ilk to not live in real world.
- - By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-05 00:05
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "deka"]
[Black "Mark_Eldridge"]

1rbq1rk1/4ppbp/p2p1np1/n1pP4/2P2P2/2N3P1/PBQNP1BP/R4RK1 w - - 0 15

Game 185374. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 21 hours, 50 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 23 hours, 46 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Na5 9.Nd2 a6 10.Qc2 Rb8 11.b3 b5 12.Bb2 bxc4 13.bxc4 Bh6 14.f4 Bg7"]
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-02-05 00:16
Jankovec-Geszosz, 1973.  White now with 61.8% and 32.9%.  I didn't expect that last black move.
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2012-02-05 00:21
My plan is working then?
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-02-05 00:23
I see your path to a draw now.
Parent - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2012-02-05 00:32
The path is clear for a draw but i have more risks to take for a win.
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2012-02-05 13:11
Neither did I.  I know it's in the databases, but I think that ...Ng4 would have been much more consistent with the plan in this variation.  I can say this now because with the bishop retreat, this move is now far less effective.
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2012-02-05 14:36
Delaying Ng4 make no differnece to the draw.
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2012-02-05 17:34
Oh--I was hoping that you were going to try to win. :wink:
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2012-02-05 18:14
I am thats why i played Bg7 first.
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2012-02-05 21:04
I see; good luck to both!
Parent - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2012-02-05 22:23
Thank you Sir
- By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-02-05 01:42
There is a game on the corr forum that reminds me of this game.

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=16316;pg=3

Its not quite the same, but it will have the same fight in it. :smile:
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-05 09:20
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "deka"]
[Black "Mark_Eldridge"]

1rbq1rk1/4ppbp/p2p1np1/n1pP4/2P2P2/2N3P1/PBQNP1BP/1R3RK1 b - - 0 15

Game 185374. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 13 hours, 36 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 23 hours, 46 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Na5 9.Nd2 a6 10.Qc2 Rb8 11.b3 b5 12.Bb2 bxc4 13.bxc4 Bh6 14.f4 Bg7 15.Rab1"]
- - By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-05 11:05
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "deka"]
[Black "Mark_Eldridge"]

1rbq1rk1/5pbp/p2p1np1/n1pPp3/2P2P2/2N3P1/PBQNP1BP/1R3RK1 w - e6 0 16

Game 185374. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 13 hours, 36 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 23 hours, 3 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Na5 9.Nd2 a6 10.Qc2 Rb8 11.b3 b5 12.Bb2 bxc4 13.bxc4 Bh6 14.f4 Bg7 15.Rab1 e5"]
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-02-05 14:42
White with 43.2% and 59.1% draws now.  Not sure if the alternatives are sound, but 15.Rae1, 15.Rfb1 and 15.h3 have all had historically good success rates.  Probably not good outside of engine blitz, though.
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-05 16:05
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "deka"]
[Black "Mark_Eldridge"]

1rbq1rk1/5pbp/p2p1np1/n1pPp3/2P2P2/6P1/PBQNP1BP/1R1N1RK1 b - - 0 16

Game 185374. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 9 hours, 35 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 23 hours, 3 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Na5 9.Nd2 a6 10.Qc2 Rb8 11.b3 b5 12.Bb2 bxc4 13.bxc4 Bh6 14.f4 Bg7 15.Rab1 e5 16.Nd1"]
- - By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-05 16:05
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "deka"]
[Black "Mark_Eldridge"]

1rbq1rk1/5pbp/p2p2p1/n1pPp3/2P2Pn1/6P1/PBQNP1BP/1R1N1RK1 w - - 0 17

Game 185374. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 9 hours, 35 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Na5 9.Nd2 a6 10.Qc2 Rb8 11.b3 b5 12.Bb2 bxc4 13.bxc4 Bh6 14.f4 Bg7 15.Rab1 e5 16.Nd1 Ng4"]
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-02-05 16:08
Moving swiftly toward a book-exit any time now.  White with 46.4% and 64.3% draws.  First seen in Hurnavich, Rybka 3-Future Breeze, Rybka 3, 0-1, 2009.05.03.
Parent - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2012-02-07 11:34
I have a cunning plan that cannot possibly fail-Baldrick.
- - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-02-05 18:03
I wanted to add, thanks to everyones help is commenting on the games. It reminds me of the 1st round of last years tour. :smile:
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2012-02-05 23:28
Makes it much more fun Jimmy.
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2012-02-06 23:56
Go Mark go!!!, (Corr-)Caissa awards brave play with wiiinnnsss...
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2012-02-07 08:58
Thank you i have a fan?
Parent - By Turbo (***) Date 2012-02-07 23:10
Inspired and brave play beyond (just) engines-scope always earns (chess-)hearts, so i guess you have several fans here! :-)... Go go go!!!
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-07 08:30
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "deka"]
[Black "Mark_Eldridge"]

1rbq1rk1/5pbp/p2p2p1/n1pPp3/2P2Pn1/6PP/PBQNP1B1/1R1N1RK1 b - - 0 17

Game 185374. In progress
[WhiteTime "27 days, 18 hours, 13 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Na5 9.Nd2 a6 10.Qc2 Rb8 11.b3 b5 12.Bb2 bxc4 13.bxc4 Bh6 14.f4 Bg7 15.Rab1 e5 16.Nd1 Ng4 17.h3"]
- - By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-07 19:30
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "deka"]
[Black "Mark_Eldridge"]

2bq1rk1/5pbp/p2p2p1/n1pPp3/2P2Pn1/6PP/PrQNP1B1/1R1N1RK1 w - - 0 18

Game 185374. In progress
[WhiteTime "27 days, 18 hours, 13 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 14 hours, 1 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Na5 9.Nd2 a6 10.Qc2 Rb8 11.b3 b5 12.Bb2 bxc4 13.bxc4 Bh6 14.f4 Bg7 15.Rab1 e5 16.Nd1 Ng4 17.h3 Rxb2"]
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-02-07 21:16
12 games left.  8 draws, 3 white wins, 1 black.  Next several moves are in a channel.
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-08 16:15
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "deka"]
[Black "Mark_Eldridge"]

2bq1rk1/5pbp/p2p2p1/n1pPp3/2P2Pn1/6PP/PRQNP1B1/3N1RK1 b - - 0 18

Game 185374. In progress
[WhiteTime "26 days, 22 hours, 25 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 14 hours, 1 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Na5 9.Nd2 a6 10.Qc2 Rb8 11.b3 b5 12.Bb2 bxc4 13.bxc4 Bh6 14.f4 Bg7 15.Rab1 e5 16.Nd1 Ng4 17.h3 Rxb2 18.Rxb2"]
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-08 20:50
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "deka"]
[Black "Mark_Eldridge"]

2bq1rk1/5pbp/p2p2p1/n1pP4/2P2pn1/6PP/PRQNP1B1/3N1RK1 w - - 0 19

Game 185374. In progress
[WhiteTime "26 days, 22 hours, 25 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 10 hours, 30 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Na5 9.Nd2 a6 10.Qc2 Rb8 11.b3 b5 12.Bb2 bxc4 13.bxc4 Bh6 14.f4 Bg7 15.Rab1 e5 16.Nd1 Ng4 17.h3 Rxb2 18.Rxb2 exf4"]
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-09 08:35
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "deka"]
[Black "Mark_Eldridge"]

2bq1rk1/5pbp/p2p2p1/n1pP4/2P2Rn1/6PP/PRQNP1B1/3N2K1 b - - 0 19

Game 185374. In progress
[WhiteTime "26 days, 11 hours, 37 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 10 hours, 30 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Na5 9.Nd2 a6 10.Qc2 Rb8 11.b3 b5 12.Bb2 bxc4 13.bxc4 Bh6 14.f4 Bg7 15.Rab1 e5 16.Nd1 Ng4 17.h3 Rxb2 18.Rxb2 exf4 19.Rxf4"]
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-09 20:00
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "deka"]
[Black "Mark_Eldridge"]

2bq1rk1/5p1p/p2p2p1/n1pP4/2P2Rn1/6PP/PbQNP1B1/3N2K1 w - - 0 20

Game 185374. In progress
[WhiteTime "26 days, 11 hours, 37 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 0 hours, 7 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Na5 9.Nd2 a6 10.Qc2 Rb8 11.b3 b5 12.Bb2 bxc4 13.bxc4 Bh6 14.f4 Bg7 15.Rab1 e5 16.Nd1 Ng4 17.h3 Rxb2 18.Rxb2 exf4 19.Rxf4 Bxb2"]
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-10 16:30
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "deka"]
[Black "Mark_Eldridge"]

2bq1rk1/5p1p/p2p2p1/n1pP4/2P2Rn1/6PP/PNQNP1B1/6K1 b - - 0 20

Game 185374. In progress
[WhiteTime "25 days, 16 hours, 6 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 0 hours, 7 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Na5 9.Nd2 a6 10.Qc2 Rb8 11.b3 b5 12.Bb2 bxc4 13.bxc4 Bh6 14.f4 Bg7 15.Rab1 e5 16.Nd1 Ng4 17.h3 Rxb2 18.Rxb2 exf4 19.Rxf4 Bxb2 20.Nxb2"]
- - By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-10 21:50
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "deka"]
[Black "Mark_Eldridge"]

2bq1rk1/5p1p/p2p2p1/n1pPn3/2P2R2/6PP/PNQNP1B1/6K1 w - - 0 21

Game 185374. In progress
[WhiteTime "25 days, 16 hours, 6 minutes"]
[BlackTime "28 days, 19 hours, 52 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Na5 9.Nd2 a6 10.Qc2 Rb8 11.b3 b5 12.Bb2 bxc4 13.bxc4 Bh6 14.f4 Bg7 15.Rab1 e5 16.Nd1 Ng4 17.h3 Rxb2 18.Rxb2 exf4 19.Rxf4 Bxb2 20.Nxb2 Ne5"]
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-02-10 22:26
No change from previous comment.
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-02-11 10:15
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "deka"]
[Black "Mark_Eldridge"]

2bq1rk1/5p1p/p2p2p1/n1pPn3/2P2R2/3N2PP/P1QNP1B1/6K1 b - - 0 21

Game 185374. In progress
[WhiteTime "25 days, 4 hours, 38 minutes"]
[BlackTime "28 days, 19 hours, 52 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Na5 9.Nd2 a6 10.Qc2 Rb8 11.b3 b5 12.Bb2 bxc4 13.bxc4 Bh6 14.f4 Bg7 15.Rab1 e5 16.Nd1 Ng4 17.h3 Rxb2 18.Rxb2 exf4 19.Rxf4 Bxb2 20.Nxb2 Ne5 21.Nd3"]
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