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Parent - - By noctiferus (***) Date 2008-01-14 21:22 Edited 2008-01-14 21:30
First of all, my sincere admiration for your deep knowledge.
My commitment is simply that I love reading again these authors (after more or less 45 years), as a refresh from my job (I'm a mathematician, and I feel I need some less "dry" and abstract environment).

Now, I would't dare to comment, anymore, on your posts!  :)

BTW: in my book,  I have  "ardent". Is it another lectio?
Parent - - By BB (****) Date 2008-01-15 20:03

> I'm a mathematician


So am I. :)

> BTW: in my book,  I have  "ardent". Is it another lectio?


Sigh, I was hoping to avoid this... The "gaudent->ardent" appears to be a medieval copying error - it was common to (intentionally or accidentally) omit the first letter of a line [for instance, it might be written in a fancy font], but not all copyists realised this. If you begin from "audent", then "ardent" might make sense. This is mentioned (page 185) in Editing Propertius [Butrica begins the article by giving the Phillimore dictum "Quot editores, tot Propertii", which sums up the overall situation rather well]. "The winners rejoice" is thought to fit better than "the winners are ardent (afire)" in the context.

> My commitment is simply that I love reading again these authors


One might wish that the academics could say the same - too often they lose the beauty in their disputes over minutiae. :(
Parent - - By noctiferus (***) Date 2008-01-15 20:12 Edited 2008-01-15 20:26
<Sigh, I was hoping to avoid this... >
Sorry :) : thanks for the explanation: may I ask if your knoledge is so deep in the whole latin literature? I'm really impressed.

<   > I'm a mathematician
         So am I.>
May I ask your research field?

BTW, de academicis minutiis disputando, a friend of mine wrote his whole Ph.D. thesis on the few fragments of Bellerophont.
Parent - By BB (****) Date 2008-01-15 22:59

> may I ask if your knoledge is so deep in the whole latin literature?


Not really. Indeed, my generation (and probably 2 or 3 before it) was largely deprived of the classics - even more so, there is often no real capacity for comprehension. It is somewhat like a description of Goethe's in Sankt Rochusfest zu Bingen: "Die jungen Leute dagegen traten gleichgültig anher. Denn sie, in böser Zeit geborne, konnte das Fest an nichts erinnern, und wer sich des Guten nicht erinnert, hofft nicht." [At the risk of embarrassing myself: The youth were indifferent, even opposed. For them, born in an ill-wrought time (Napoleon's occupation), the festival could bring no recollection --- and he who lacks remembrance of the good, hopes not].

> May I ask your research field?


I am currently involved with number theory and mathematical physics (random matrix theory). But I'm considering giving up research for the most part and perhaps taking a job at one of the universities that has a "Great Books" curriculum.
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2008-01-14 14:39
What's this, BB, feeling left out of the equation. When you can be as didactic as Alan and Nelson without inferring yourself to the task, by God, then I will grant you entrance into the fealty of the candle. Until then, all the latin in the world will not light your way.

sidserious-
Parent - By BB (****) Date 2008-01-14 16:51

> Very honestly I haven't seen a discussion group of this caliber


I think we can thank the moderators for not muzzling us. :-P [This is just asking to get beamed to the Flip Side, I guess].

> no limit to the level of literacy


With such magniloquent superlatives as this, you could become a political speech writer. :)

> SS: When you can be as didactic... I will grant you... the fealty of the candle


My flair [oh, such a petty use of the homophone!] is more exemplified by cropping the snuff than kindling the flame.
Parent - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2008-01-16 00:50
While we're busy quoting people, I think a couple are in order for the people from The Dark Side who are defending Strelka:

"The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed." --C.S. Lewis

"What I believe in is devolution...I have seen men turn into monkeys." --Mike Huckabee
Parent - - By Sesse (****) Date 2008-01-11 13:34
Wow.

At first, I am pretty impressed that "Osipov" actually managed to reverse-engineer Rybka, even though it must have taken quite some time. I think it's good that we finally settled this matter (although I was among the doubters -- I stand corrected on that matter).

Second, releasing the source in that way is pretty bad. I do feel with you.

Third, even though you may have a moral right to the resulting, modified source (I certainly think you do), I do not think you have a legal right to them. This muddles the license issue a bit...

/* Steinar */
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2008-01-11 13:45 Edited 2008-01-11 15:39
Yes, I also think so, let's guess someone steals a 3d engine and builds a new game around it, you wouldn't have the rights on the game, but you could sue the author of that game. In any case you would have to ask the author of the game for his permission to release the game, even if he has stolen your engine. Releasing it without asking him could be illegal, too.
I see no reason to support making his engine open source now, since it would somehow prove Osipov right...
Parent - - By JhorAVi (***) Date 2008-01-11 14:40
If reverse engineering can be done to Rybka 1 then it's also possible even to Rybka 3.  My question to Vas is what measures is taken with regards to your future engines? Is it true than nothing can be done about it?
Parent - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2008-01-11 14:42
From another thread, it sounds like he's taking very good measures.  Of course, there's no way he's going to talk about those measures here, other than to say that this Strelka crap will be practically impossible with Rybka 3.
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2008-01-11 14:32
I think he does have a legal right because the Strelka maker used Vas's code and such without consulting or even citing Vas.
Parent - - By Sesse (****) Date 2008-01-11 15:37
That doesn't really matter. I am not a lawyer (except an armchair lawyer), but I'm pretty sure that legally speaking, the Strelka source code is not legally distributable.

Of course, Vas could open up Rybka 1.0 beta, but I can't see any compelling reason to do that.

/* Steinar */
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2008-01-11 16:47
Legally speaking, it must always be legally distributable by the original author (unless other things apply that have nothing to do with copyright), and in this case, the original author is Vas.
Parent - - By Sesse (****) Date 2008-01-11 16:49
No, he is not the original author of the Strelka-specific parts. There's nothing saying that if you combine code bases A and B, copyright falls to a single author.

/* Steinar */
Parent - - By Permanent Brain (*****) Date 2008-01-11 17:20
The Strelka creator (or what to call him?) dismissed all such scruples. What goes around, comes around.
Parent - - By Sesse (****) Date 2008-01-12 09:56
It's not only about scruples -- it's also about, for instance, whether any Linux distribution would feel comfortable distributing the bundle. (People may or may not care.)

OTOH, there might very well be some sort of license in there (which would easily solve the problem, unless there's code from more people than Vas and “Osipov” in there), but since the comments are all in Russian, it's impossible for me to say. Could someone familiar with Russian please translate the following header?


/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// яРПЕКЙЮ 2.0 B
// бЕПЯХЪ НР 09.01.2008
// оНВРХ ОНБРНПЪЕР БЕПЯХЧ яРПЕКЙХ 1.8 UCI НР 26.06.2007
// хЯОПЮБКЕМШ МЕЙНРНПШЕ АЮЦХ, ОЕПЕОХЯЮМЮ МЮВЮКЭМЮЪ ХМХЖХЮКХГЮЖХЪ РЮАКХЖ.
// цКЮБМШЕ ЛНДХТХЙЮЖХХ ЮКЦНПХРЛЮ, ОНГБНКХБЬХЕ СЯХКХРЭ ХЦПС МЮ +60 ОСМЙРНБ
// ЯДЕКЮМШ МЮ НЯМНБЕ ХДЕИ хЦНПЪ йНПЬСМНБЮ, ЮБРНПЮ Wildcat.
// бЮПХЮМРШ йНПЬСМНБЮ НРЛЕВЕМШ Б РЕЙЯРЕ ЙЮЙ ЯЯШКЙХ МЮ ПЮГКХВМШЕ БЕПЯХХ
// ДБХФЙЮ "аЕКЙЮ", БШОСЫЕММШЕ Б ОЕПХНД Я МНЪАПЪ ОН ДЕЙЮАПЭ 2007 Ц.
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


I can guess the first word is “Strelka”, but from there it fails me. :-)

/* Steinar */
Parent - - By Vertu Date 2008-01-12 11:06
Strelka 2.0 B
Version 9 Jan 2008.
Almost the same as Strelka 1.8 UCI (26 June 2007).
Some bugs fixed, tables initialization rewritten.
Main changes that give +60 Elo are based on the ideas of Igor Korsunov (WildCat author).
Korshunov's modifications marked as links to various Belka versions, released from november to december 2007.
Parent - By Sesse (****) Date 2008-01-12 11:27
Thanks!

/* Steinar */
Parent - - By Vasik Rajlich (Silver) Date 2008-01-12 10:21
If somebody could clarify that third point for me, I'd be quite grateful. My guess is that it is legal, but my guess isn't really important.

Vas
Parent - - By Sesse (****) Date 2008-01-12 10:42
It's simple:

* If you wrote a piece of code, you have the copyright for it, and can basically do whatever you want with it.
* If you do not have the copyright for a given piece of code, you need a license to modify and/or distribute it.
* Copyright is not absorbed; if you take a CD track made by yourself, and then splice it with a CD track made by somebody else, you do not automatically get copyright for the second track. Neither will whoever made the other track gain copyright to your part. Most likely, the resulting thing is undistributable legally.

Here's my current understanding of the events:

* The Rybka part (impossible as it might be to separate) of the released Strelka source belongs to you. You are free to do whatever you want with it.
* The rest belongs to “Osipov”. Even if he has released it, legally that means nothing -- you can use it and compile it (probably under fair use), but nothing grants you the right to modify or distribute it yourself. (Disclaimer: I do not know Russian. If it says something like “public domain” in the comments, the entire issue changes.)
* The end result is that Strelka as such can not be modified or distributed legally.

You could argue that point #2 in the last list is a bit too harsh, and indeed people forget to include these kind of terms all the time. Usually people would assume that if the author of some program put the source online, an implicit distribution right would be granted, but from a strict perspective (and if you work in open source/free software, you usually have to see it from that perspective) it isn't so. It's also usually interpreted more strict for source than for binary, since there's so many more things you can do with the source (from just looking at it all the way down to selling your own derivative) and it's not obvious which of them the original author intended.

/* Steinar */
Parent - - By Vasik Rajlich (Silver) Date 2008-01-12 10:57
Actually, I'd use the same sort of argument which lets you shoot your gun at somebody if they shoot at you first.

Of course, I agree that releasing something alone doesn't give people the right to use it.

Vas
Parent - - By Sesse (****) Date 2008-01-12 11:06
There's no generic "if you do something bad to me, I can do the same thing to you back" provision in modern law practice :-) (You can shoot back, but only if it's the only reasonable way to survive. It's not really related to whether the other guy has a gun or not.)

/* Steinar */
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2008-01-14 06:23
This is called the law of the jungle! :-)

Alan
Parent - - By Vasik Rajlich (Silver) Date 2008-01-14 22:30
So if the two of us are on a burning airplane with one parachute for the two of us, I can legally shoot you?

Vas
Parent - By Sesse (****) Date 2008-01-14 22:56
Well, _I_ would certainly never set fire to an airplane, so it would have to be your fault, in which case I'd say that you don't deserve the parachute.

/* Steinar */
Parent - By Roland Rösler (****) Date 2008-01-15 02:50 Edited 2008-01-15 02:55
He Vas, you can kill hundred of peoples for your survival! No court and lawyer will ever accuse you.
Two years ago I see a german literaly talk show with Weyma Lübbe as guest and I was shocked! She talked about her book: Deadly decision, Allocation of lives and death in positions of constraint. Here you can hear purest ethik. It´s shocking but real and naturally. I read her book immediately, but I´m not sure, if you can get in in English. If you are interested, make your own search http://word.world-citizenship.org/word/index.php/wp-archive/226 .
Parent - By Eduard (***) Date 2008-01-11 16:17
Blunders of Rybka - Test with Strelka 2.0B.

PGN Game 1:

[Event "Wertungspartie, 5m + 0s"]
[Site "Maschinenraum"]
[Date "2007.12.21"]
[Round "?"]
[White "DS11, Deep Shredder 11"]
[Black "Wolkenlos, Rybka 2.3.2a mp 32-"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C50"]
[WhiteElo "2437"]
[BlackElo "2610"]
[Annotator "0.38;0.29"]
[PlyCount "143"]
[EventDate "2007.12.21"]
[TimeControl "300"]

{Deep Shredder 11: 15.4 ply; 1.888kN/s Genuine Intel(R) CPU            2140  @
1.60GHz 3522MHz, (2 threads), Solist.ctg, oreDeviceObjects} 1. e4 {0.38/10 0}
e5 {(c5) 0.00/0 0} 2. Nf3 {0.78/11 0} Nc6 {(Sf6) 0.00/0 0} 3. Bc4 {0.32/10 1}
d6 {(Sf6) 0.00/0 0} 4. O-O {0.42/14 13} Be7 {0.29/14 11} 5. d4 {0.31/15 0} Nf6
{(exd4) 0.26/13 4} 6. d5 {0.44/14 8} Na5 {(Sb8) 0.29/16 12} 7. Be2 {0.30/15 11}
c5 {0.30/16 47} 8. a3 {0.49/17 0} c4 {(b6) 0.32/14 3} 9. b4 {0.78/16 8} cxb3 {
0.60/15 15} 10. cxb3 {0.78/17 0} Nxe4 {(b6) 0.67/15 28} 11. b4 {1.46/15 8} Bd7
{(0-0) 0.64/14 10} 12. Nfd2 {1.93/15 7} Nf6 {0.54/12 2} 13. bxa5 {1.93/16 2}
Qxa5 {0.46/13 0} 14. Qb3 {1.93/15 12} Rc8 {0.32/12 5} 15. Qxb7 {1.85/15 12}
Qxd5 {(Dc5) 0.43/15 10} 16. Qxa7 {1.90/14 7} O-O {0.28/11 4} 17. a4 {1.84/14 3}
Qe6 {0.37/11 5} 18. a5 {1.92/14 1} h6 {(Ta8) 0.44/10 7} 19. a6 {2.11/14 12}
Rfe8 {(Lc6) 0.56/10 6} 20. Qb7 {2.70/13 7} d5 {(Lc6) 0.90/12 6} 21. a7 {
2.86/14 7} Bc6 {1.26/13 3} 22. Qb2 {2.43/13 10} Ba8 {(d4) 0.98/10 5} 23. Ra6 {
2.81/13 6} Qf5 {1.25/11 3} 24. Qb5 {2.81/12 4} Rc5 {(Ted8) 1.35/11 2} 25. Qb3 {
2.66/13 13} d4 {(Tc7) 1.40/10 3} 26. Bc4 {3.15/12 5} Qh5 {(Tf8) 1.36/10 2} 27.
f3 {3.25/13 6} Rc7 {(Tec8) 1.98/12 4} 28. g4 {3.92/12 4} Qg6 {(Sxg4) 2.48/13 5}
29. Bd3 {4.18/13 9} Qg5 {2.40/15 0} 30. Nc4 {4.18/13 8} Qh4 {2.45/15 8} 31. Qb8
{4.13/14 0} Rb7 {2.21/10 3} 32. Rb6 {4.16/14 1} Rxb6 {2.66/12 5} 33. Nxb6 {
4.16/15 0} Bc6 {2.91/12 2} 34. Bf5 {4.16/13 8} Bf8 {(Lc5) 2.54/12 0} 35. Nd2 {
4.66/12 5} h5 {(d3) 3.67/11 8} 36. Qc7 {6.00/13 4} Re7 {4.70/11 0} 37. Qxc6 {
5.88/14 4} Rxa7 {3.67/10 1} 38. Nd5 {5.88/14 5} Nh7 {(Sxd5) 4.21/10 2} 39. Qe8
{6.61/10 2} g6 {(hxg4) 4.74/10 2} 40. Bd7 {7.08/11 4} Ra1 {5.14/9 0} 41. Qxe5 {
7.42/12 3} Qd8 {5.38/9 1} 42. Ne4 {7.64/12 1} Bg7 {(Ta6) 5.50/9 1} 43. Qe8+ {
7.58/12 3} Qxe8 {5.38/8 0} 44. Bxe8 {7.58/14 1} Ra5 {(d3) 5.73/9 1} 45. Bc6 {
7.66/12 6} Ra2 {5.85/9 2} 46. gxh5 {7.92/13 2} gxh5 {6.08/10 0} 47. Bd2 {
7.92/13 5} Bf8 {(d3) 6.26/10 0} 48. Rb1 {8.27/13 3} h4 {(Tc2) 6.45/8 2} 49. Rb8
{8.78/11 1} Kg7 {6.69/9 2} 50. Rb7 {9.01/13 0} Bc5 {6.75/7 0} 51. Be8 {
9.01/12 1} d3+ {7.54/8 0} 52. Kh1 {9.18/13 1} Bd4 {7.69/9 2} 53. Rxf7+ {
9.16/13 0} Kh8 {7.32/9 1} 54. h3 {9.16/13 0} Ra1+ {6.56/7 1} 55. Kg2 {9.16/12 0
} Rg1+ {7.54/8 1} 56. Kh2 {9.39/13 0} Rb1 {(Tg8) 7.54/8 0} 57. f4 {9.38/12 1}
Rb2 {(Tb8) 7.22/8 1} 58. Kg2 {10.19/13 1} Rb8 {7.87/9 0} 59. Re7 {10.20/13 1}
Rb2 {(Td8) 7.68/8 1} 60. Kf3 {10.67/11 2} Rb3 {(Tc2) 8.01/10 0} 61. Kg4 {
11.09/11 1} Rb1 {(Tb2) 8.20/7 1} 62. f5 {11.35/11 2} Rf1 {(Tg1+) 9.30/8 0} 63.
Bg6 {20.04/11 1} Nf8 {12.24/8 3} 64. Re8 {#9/13 0} Bg7 {(Tf4+) 14.43/7 0} 65.
Bc3 {#8/15 2} Rg1+ {#8/6 0} 66. Kh5 {#7/13 0} Bxc3 {#8/4 0} 67. Rxf8+ {#6/11 0}
Kg7 {#7/4 0} 68. Rf7+ {#5/9 0} Kh8 {#4/3 0} 69. Rh7+ {#4/7 0} Kg8 {#3/3 0} 70.
Nef6+ {#3/5 0} Bxf6 {#2/3 0} 71. Nxf6+ {#2/3 0} Kf8 {#1/3 0} 72. Rf7# {#1/1 0}
1-0

DS11,D - Wolkenlos,R, Wertungspartie, 5m + 0s 2007

r1bqk2r/pp2bppp/3p1n2/n2Pp3/4P3/PP3N2/4BPPP/RNBQ1RK1 b kq - 0 1


Analysis by Strelka 2.0 B (2.66 GHz, 256 MB Hash):

10...Sxe4 11.Le3
  µ  (-0.97)   Tiefe: 1   00:00:00
10...Sxe4 11.Le3
  µ  (-0.97)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
10...Sxe4 11.b4 0-0 12.bxa5 Dxa5
  ²  (0.48)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
10...Sxe4 11.b4 0-0 12.bxa5 Dxa5
  ²  (0.48)   Tiefe: 4   00:00:00
10...Dc7 11.b4 Sc4 12.Sbd2 b5 13.Sxc4 bxc4
  ²  (0.51)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00
10...Dc7 11.b4 Sc4 12.Dc2 b5 13.Sc3
  ±  (0.75)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00  16kN
10...Sxe4 11.b4 0-0 12.bxa5 Dxa5 13.Le3 Ld7 14.Sbd2 Dxd5 15.Sxe4 Dxe4
  ±  (0.80)   Tiefe: 7   00:00:00  63kN
10...Sxe4 11.b4 0-0 12.bxa5 Dxa5 13.Le3 Ld7 14.Sbd2 Dxd5 15.Sxe4 Dxe4
  ±  (0.80)   Tiefe: 8   00:00:00  106kN
10...Sxe4 11.b4 0-0 12.bxa5 Dxa5 13.Le3 Lf5 14.Db3 Sc5 15.Db4
  ±  (0.78)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:00  167kN
10...Sxe4 11.b4 0-0 12.bxa5 Dxa5 13.Db3 f5 14.Sbd2 Sc3 15.Lc4 e4
  ±  (1.00)   Tiefe: 10   00:00:00  355kN
10...b6 11.b4 Sb7 12.Sc3 0-0 13.Le3 Ld7 14.h3 Tc8 15.Tc1 h6
  ±  (0.90)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:01  1773kN
10...b6 11.b4 Sb7 12.Sc3 Ld7 13.Ld2 0-0 14.Tc1 Tc8 15.Db3 h6 16.h3
  ±  (0.92)   Tiefe: 12   00:00:01  2496kN
10...b6 11.b4 Sb7 12.Sc3 Ld7 13.La6 Db8 14.Le3 0-0 15.Tc1 Tc8 16.Ld3 h6
  ±  (0.89)   Tiefe: 13   00:00:03  5560kN
10...b6 11.b4 Sb7 12.Sc3 Ld7 13.Ld2 0-0 14.Db3 Tc8 15.Tac1 h6 16.h3 Txc3 17.Txc3 Sxe4
  ±  (0.97)   Tiefe: 14   00:00:06  8050kN
10...b6 11.b4 Sb7 12.Sc3 Ld7 13.Ld2 0-0 14.Db3 Tc8 15.Tac1 h6 16.h3 Te8 17.Le3 Dc7
  ±  (0.96)   Tiefe: 15   00:00:11  14961kN
10...b6 11.b4 Sb7 12.Sc3 Ld7 13.Le3 Tc8 14.Tc1 0-0 15.h3 Txc3 16.Txc3 Sxe4 17.Tc4 f5 18.Ld3 Lb5
  ±  (1.08)   Tiefe: 16   00:00:22  25323kN
10...b6 11.b4 Sb7 12.Sc3 Ld7 13.Le3 Sg4 14.Ld2 0-0 15.h3 Sf6 16.Db3 Tc8 17.Tac1 Txc3 18.Lxc3 Sxe4 19.Ld3
  ±  (1.13)   Tiefe: 17   00:00:40  45887kN

Analysis by Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit (2.66 GHz, 256 MB Hash):

10...Sxe4 11.b4
  =  (0.25)   Tiefe: 5   00:00:00
10...Sxe4 11.b4 0-0
  ²  (0.28)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00  2kN
10...Sxe4 11.b4 0-0 12.Da4
  ²  (0.30)   Tiefe: 7   00:00:00  4kN
10...Sxe4 11.b4 0-0 12.Da4 Sf6
  ²  (0.42)   Tiefe: 8   00:00:00  9kN
10...Sxe4 11.b4 0-0 12.Da4 Ld7 13.Dxa5
  ²  (0.39)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:00  18kN
10...Sxe4 11.b4 0-0 12.Da4 Sf6 13.Dxa5 Dxa5 14.bxa5 Sxd5 15.Ld2
  ²  (0.40)   Tiefe: 10   00:00:00  40kN
10...Sxe4 11.b4 0-0 12.Da4 Sf6 13.Dxa5 Dxa5 14.bxa5 Sxd5 15.Ld2 e4
  ²  (0.50)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:01  72kN
10...Sxe4 11.b4 0-0 12.Da4 Ld7 13.Dxa5 Dc8 14.Lb5 De8
  ²  (0.62)   Tiefe: 12   00:00:02  175kN
10...Sxe4 11.b4 Ld7 12.bxa5 Dxa5 13.Dd3 Sc5 14.Dc3 Dd8 15.Le3 Tc8
  ²  (0.65)   Tiefe: 13   00:00:07  566kN
10...Sxe4 11.b4 Ld7 12.bxa5 Dxa5 13.Dd3 Sc5 14.Dc3 Dd8 15.Le3 Tc8 16.Sbd2
  ²  (0.63)   Tiefe: 14   00:00:12  1033kN
10...Sxe4 11.b4 Ld7 12.bxa5 Dxa5 13.Dd3 Sc5 14.Dc3 Dd8 15.Le3 Tc8 16.Sbd2 0-0
  ²  (0.68)   Tiefe: 15   00:00:20  1587kN
10...b6 11.b4 Sb7 12.Sc3 0-0 13.Db3 Ld7 14.h3 a5 15.Le3 Dc7 16.Tfc1
  ²  (0.65)   Tiefe: 15   00:00:28  2654kN
10...b6 11.b4 Sb7 12.Sc3 0-0 13.Db3 Ld7 14.Le3 Sg4 15.Ld2 Tc8 16.h3 Sf6
  ²  (0.69)   Tiefe: 16   00:00:36  3433kN
10...Sxe4 11.b4 Ld7 12.bxa5 Dxa5 13.Dd3 Sc5 14.Dc3 Dxc3 15.Sxc3 Tc8 16.Tb1 Lf5 17.Tb2
  ²  (0.68)   Tiefe: 16   00:00:47  4363kN
10...Sxe4 11.b4 Ld7 12.bxa5 Dxa5 13.Db3 0-0 14.Le3 Tac8 15.Sbd2 Sc3 16.Lc4 b5 17.Ld3
  ²  (0.69)   Tiefe: 17   00:01:19  6618kN

(Nemeth, Privat 11.01.2008)

DS11,D - Wolkenlos,R, Wertungspartie, 5m + 0s 2007

2r2rk1/Q2bbppp/3p1n2/3qp3/8/P7/3NBPPP/RNB2RK1 w - - 0 1


Analysis by Strelka 2.0 B:

17.Lb2
  ²  (0.33)   Tiefe: 1   00:00:00
17.Lb2 e4
  =  (0.17)   Tiefe: 2   00:00:00
17.Lb2 Lb5 18.Lf3
  ²  (0.36)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
17.Lf3 Dd3 18.De3 Lf5
  ²  (0.36)   Tiefe: 4   00:00:00
17.Lf3 Dd3 18.Lb2 Tc2 19.Db6
  ²  (0.47)   Tiefe: 5   00:00:00
17.Lf3 De6 18.Lb2 Tc2 19.Lc3 d5
  ²  (0.51)   Tiefe: 7   00:00:00  23kN
17.Lf3 De6 18.Lb2 Tc2 19.Lc3 Tc8 20.De3
  ²  (0.60)   Tiefe: 7   00:00:00  30kN
17.De3 Sg4 18.Lxg4 Lxg4 19.f3 Lf5 20.Sc3 Dc6 21.Sde4 d5
  ²  (0.57)   Tiefe: 8   00:00:00  184kN
17.De3 Sg4 18.Lxg4 Lxg4 19.h3 Lf5 20.Sc3 De6 21.Lb2 d5 22.Tac1
  ²  (0.59)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:00  304kN
17.De3 Sg4 18.Lxg4 Lxg4 19.Sc3 Dc6 20.Lb2 d5 21.Dg3 Tb8 22.Dxg4 Txb2
  ²  (0.58)   Tiefe: 10   00:00:00  669kN
17.a4 De6 18.a5 d5 19.Sb3 d4 20.S1d2 Tc3 21.Tb1 d3 22.Lf3
  ±  (0.77)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:02  4112kN
17.a4 e4 18.Ta3 De6 19.Tg3 d5 20.Sb3 Ta8 21.De3 Lxa4 22.Sc5 De5 23.Sxa4 Txa4
  ±  (0.80)   Tiefe: 12   00:00:05  7782kN
17.a4 Tc2 18.Lf3 Dd3 19.Ta3 Df5 20.Tc3 Tc8 21.Txc8+ Txc8 22.Lb2 Dc2 23.Se4 Dxa4 24.De3
  ±  (0.89)   Tiefe: 13   00:00:11  16164kN
17.a4 e4 18.Sa3 Ta8 19.De3 Txa4 20.Ld1 Taa8 21.Lb2 Dd3 22.Sac4 Txa1 23.Lxa1 d5 24.Se5
  ±  (0.88)   Tiefe: 14   00:00:22  32081kN
17.a4 g6 18.Ta3 De6 19.Sc3 Ta8 20.Db7 Tfb8 21.Df3 d5 22.Tb3 Txb3 23.Sxb3 Tb8 24.Sb5 Se4 25.Lh6
  ±  (0.85)   Tiefe: 15   00:00:52  75380kN

(Nemeth, Privat 11.01.2008)

Analysis by Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit :

17.Lf3 De6
  =  (0.04)   Tiefe: 5   00:00:00
17.Lf3 De6 18.a4
  =  (0.00)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00  3kN
17.a4 e4 18.Ta3
  =  (0.22)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00  12kN
17.a4 e4 18.Ta3 Df5
  =  (0.23)   Tiefe: 7   00:00:00  17kN
17.a4 De6 18.Lb5 d5 19.Lxd7
  ²  (0.30)   Tiefe: 8   00:00:00  36kN
17.a4 e4 18.Ta3 De6 19.a5 d5
  ²  (0.32)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:01  80kN
17.a4 De6 18.Lb5 Lc6 19.Lxc6 Txc6 20.Sa3 d5
  ²  (0.32)   Tiefe: 10   00:00:02  163kN
17.a4 De6 18.Lb5 Lc6 19.Lxc6 Txc6 20.Sf3 Sd5 21.Sbd2
  ²  (0.35)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:03  278kN
17.a4 De6 18.Lb5 Ta8 19.Lxd7 Sxd7 20.De3 d5 21.La3 Txa4 22.Lxe7
  ²  (0.37)   Tiefe: 12   00:00:07  537kN
17.a4 De6 18.Lb5 Ta8 19.Lxd7 Sxd7 20.De3 d5 21.La3 Txa4 22.Lxe7 Txa1 23.Lxf8
  ²  (0.42)   Tiefe: 13   00:00:13  954kN
17.a4 De6 18.Lb5 Ta8 19.Lxd7 Sxd7 20.De3 d5 21.La3 Txa4 22.Lxe7 Txa1 23.Lxf8 Kxf8
  ²  (0.46)   Tiefe: 14   00:00:26  1909kN
17.a4 De6 18.a5 Tfe8 19.a6 Lc6 20.f3 d5 21.La3 d4 22.Tc1 Sd5
  ²  (0.49)   Tiefe: 15   00:01:20  5703kN

(Nemeth, Privat 11.01.2008)

PGN Game 2:

[Event "Wertungspartie, 3m + 0s"]
[Site "Maschinenraum"]
[Date "2007.12.16"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Krakatoa, Rybka 2.3.2b mp"]
[Black "Wolkenlos, Rybka 2.3.2a mp 32-"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A00"]
[WhiteElo "2577"]
[BlackElo "2607"]
[Annotator "-0.18;-0.25"]
[PlyCount "265"]
[EventDate "2007.12.16"]
[TimeControl "180"]

{Rybka 2.3.2b mp: 17.3 ply; 204kN/s AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor
4600+ 2411MHz, (2 threads)} 1. h3 {0} d5 {B/0 0} 2. c3 {0} e5 {B/0 0} 3. d4 {0}
Nc6 {B/0 0} 4. dxe5 {-0.18/13 4} Nxe5 {B/0 0} 5. Nf3 {-0.15/13 5} Bd6 {
-0.25/11 4} 6. Qxd5 {-0.07/14 6} Nf6 {-0.12/14 9} 7. Qb3 {-0.04/16 15} O-O {
-0.10/14 1} 8. Nxe5 {0.00/15 12} Bxe5 {-0.03/15 7} 9. Nd2 {-0.01/16 16} Qe7 {
-0.03/13 3} 10. e3 {-0.01/15 18} c6 {-0.06/11 7} 11. a4 {-0.02/15 9} Bc7 {
-0.05/11 7} 12. Bc4 {-0.13/14 8} Qe5 {-0.13/12 7} 13. Nf3 {-0.10/14 6} Qh5 {
-0.09/13 4} 14. Qc2 {-0.06/13 3} a6 {-0.02/11 9} 15. Be2 {0.00/11 1} Rd8 {
-0.01/11 4} 16. Bd2 {0.00/11 3} Qd5 {-0.04/10 3} 17. c4 {0.00/10 1} Qe4 {
0.07/11 1} 18. O-O-O {0.04/12 0} c5 {0.00/12 5} 19. Be1 {0.00/11 1} Rxd1+ {
0.02/12 1} 20. Kxd1 {0.07/13 1} Qe7 {0.12/13 6} 21. Bd3 {0.06/13 2} Bd7 {
0.06/13 2} 22. Bc3 {0.11/14 1} g6 {0.09/13 3} 23. Kc1 {0.18/15 2} Rd8 {
0.10/13 1} 24. b3 {0.18/14 0} Bc6 {0.12/11 1} 25. Ba1 {0.18/14 6} Nd7 {
0.21/10 3} 26. Rd1 {0.24/15 1} b6 {0.19/11 1} 27. Bb2 {0.29/14 6} Bb7 {
0.22/11 2} 28. Rd2 {0.36/14 3} Bc6 {0.29/12 2} 29. Be2 {0.39/14 3} Be4 {
0.30/10 2} 30. Qd1 {0.39/14 2} Bc6 {0.39/10 1} 31. h4 {0.41/13 0} Re8 {
0.39/10 1} 32. Qc2 {0.51/13 2} Ne5 {0.43/11 0} 33. h5 {0.58/12 2} Qf6 {
0.55/12 3} 34. Rd1 {0.57/11 1} Kg7 {0.64/10 5} 35. hxg6 {0.73/9 0} hxg6 {
0.70/12 2} 36. Bc3 {0.77/14 0} Bb8 {0.73/11 2} 37. Qb2 {0.97/14 1} a5 {
0.94/13 1} 38. Nxe5 {0.97/13 0} Bxe5 {1.03/15 1} 39. Bxe5 {1.10/17 0} Rxe5 {
1.11/17 5} 40. Bf3 {1.09/20 0} Bxf3 {1.13/15 0} 41. gxf3 {1.11/20 2} Re6 {
1.12/17 0} 42. f4 {1.13/19 1} Qxb2+ {1.12/18 0} 43. Kxb2 {1.16/21 3} f5 {
1.15/20 2} 44. Kc3 {1.18/20 1} Kf6 {1.15/18 0} 45. Kd3 {1.23/19 0} Ke7 {
1.19/16 1} 46. f3 {1.23/21 0} Rd6+ {1.20/19 2} 47. Ke2 {1.23/23 0} Re6 {
1.20/19 0} 48. Rh1 {1.23/22 3} Kf6 {1.20/21 1} 49. Rh7 {1.23/23 1} Re8 {
1.20/21 0} 50. Rb7 {1.23/22 2} Re6 {1.20/22 1} 51. Rd7 {1.23/22 1} g5 {
1.20/21 0} 52. fxg5+ {1.23/22 0} Kxg5 {1.20/22 0} 53. Kd3 {1.23/23 2} Kf6 {
1.20/19 2} 54. Kd2 {1.23/23 0} Kg6 {1.20/20 2} 55. Rd5 {1.23/18 0} Kf6 {
1.20/19 1} 56. Kd3 {1.23/20 0} Rc6 {1.20/20 1} 57. Ke2 {1.23/22 0} Re6 {
1.20/20 1} 58. Kf2 {1.23/23 0} Kg6 {1.20/19 0} 59. Rd1 {1.23/22 0} Kg5 {
1.20/20 1} 60. Ke2 {1.23/23 0} Kf6 {1.20/20 0} 61. Rd5 {1.23/22 0} Kg6 {
1.20/20 2} 62. Kd3 {1.23/24 0} Kf6 {1.20/21 2} 63. Rd7 {1.23/24 0} Kg5 {
1.20/18 0} 64. Ke2 {1.23/14 0} Kf6 {1.20/18 0} 65. Rh7 {1.23/21 1} Kg5 {
1.20/18 0} 66. Rh1 {1.23/17 0} Kg6 {1.20/19 1} 67. Rg1+ {1.23/14 0} Kf6 {
1.20/20 1} 68. Rd1 {1.23/19 0} Ke7 {1.20/18 0} 69. Rh1 {1.23/19 0} Rg6 {
1.14/17 1} 70. Rh7+ {1.23/16 0} Kd8 {1.14/17 0} 71. Rb7 {1.33/12 0} Kc8 {
0.86/16 1} 72. Re7 {0.97/14 0} Rg2+ {0.78/17 0} 73. Kd3 {0.79/19 0} Rb2 {
0.81/17 1} 74. Kc3 {0.92/19 0} Re2 {0.84/17 0} 75. Re6 {0.91/18 0} Kb7 {
0.84/18 1} 76. Re5 {0.91/20 0} Kc6 {0.84/17 0} 77. Rxf5 {0.91/16 0} Rxe3+ {
0.84/17 0} 78. Kc2 {0.91/18 0} Re2+ {0.84/17 0} 79. Kd3 {0.79/23 0} Rb2 {
0.83/18 0} 80. Kc3 {0.79/23 0} Rh2 {0.83/19 0} 81. Rf6+ {0.80/13 0} Kc7 {
0.83/19 1} 82. Re6 {0.86/20 0} Rh3 {0.83/17 1} 83. Re3 {0.86/17 0} Kd6 {
0.83/16 0} 84. Kd3 {0.86/18 0} Rh4 {0.83/18 0} 85. Re1 {0.86/20 0} Kd7 {
0.83/17 0} 86. Re4 {0.86/20 0} Rh1 {0.83/18 1} 87. Re3 {0.86/21 0} Rh4 {
0.83/17 0} 88. Re5 {0.86/19 0} Kd6 {0.83/16 1} 89. Rd5+ {0.86/20 0} Ke7 {
0.83/17 1} 90. Ke3 {0.87/22 0} Rh1 {0.83/19 1} 91. Ke4 {0.87/15 0} Ke6 {
0.83/18 0} 92. Rd3 {1.12/18 0} Re1+ {0.83/16 0} 93. Re3 {1.12/21 0} Rd1 {
0.83/20 3} 94. f4 {1.24/21 0} Rh1 {0.96/17 0} 95. Rd3 {1.24/20 0} Re1+ {
1.26/17 0} 96. Kf3 {1.24/20 0} Kf5 {1.32/18 1} 97. Rd5+ {1.24/21 0} Ke6 {
1.29/19 0} 98. Rh5 {1.24/20 0} Rc1 {1.32/18 2} 99. Ke4 {1.24/21 0} Re1+ {
1.32/17 0} 100. Kd3 {1.24/21 0} Kd7 {1.32/18 1} 101. Rh7+ {1.40/13 0} Kd6 {
1.33/16 0} 102. Rh3 {1.40/19 0} Rg1 {1.33/12 0} 103. Ke4 {1.60/14 0} Rg4 {
1.33/15 0} 104. Rd3+ {1.82/17 0} Ke7 {1.97/17 0} 105. Re3 {1.96/19 0} Kd6 {
1.97/16 0} 106. Kf3 {2.01/20 0} Rh4 {2.05/17 0} 107. Kg3 {2.11/20 0} Rh5 {
2.50/16 1} 108. Kg4 {1.91/12 0} Rh7 {2.50/14 0} 109. f5 {2.75/10 0} Rh1 {
2.79/13 0} 110. f6 {2.96/12 0} Rf1 {2.91/12 0} 111. Kg5 {3.51/16 0} Rf2 {
3.46/14 0} 112. Kg6 {3.18/13 0} Rg2+ {4.52/14 0} 113. Kf7 {4.66/16 0} Rf2 {
4.52/13 0} 114. Re6+ {5.02/12 0} Kd7 {4.51/12 0} 115. Rxb6 {5.12/16 0} Rf1 {
5.03/13 0} 116. Rb5 {5.09/11 1} Rf3 {4.78/10 0} 117. Rxa5 {5.02/11 0} Rxb3 {
4.93/13 0} 118. Rxc5 {5.02/11 0} Re3 {5.53/12 1} 119. Rd5+ {8.36/12 0} Kc7 {
5.11/8 0} 120. Kg6 {8.39/6 0} Rg3+ {7.93/7 0} 121. Rg5 {7.31/4 0} Rd3 {
8.72/11 0} 122. f7 {8.71/7 0} Rd8 {8.91/10 0} 123. Kg7 {8.88/9 0} Rd7 {
9.81/10 0} 124. Kg8 {8.78/5 0} Rd8+ {9.02/6 0} 125. f8=Q {#10/7 0} Rxf8+ {
#9/6 0} 126. Kxf8 {#8/1 0} Kb7 {#7/1 0} 127. Rb5+ {#7/1 0} Kc8 {#6/1 0} 128. a5
{#6/1 0} Kc7 {#5/1 0} 129. Ke7 {#5/1 0} Kc6 {#5/1 0} 130. Ke6 {#4/1 0} Kc7 {
#4/1 0} 131. Rb6 {#3/1 0} Kc8 {#2/1 0} 132. Kd6 {#2/1 0} Kd8 {#2/1 0} 133. Rb8#
{#1/1 0} 1-0

Krakatoa,R - Wolkenlos,R, Wertungspartie, 3m + 0s 2007

r1bqkbnr/ppp2ppp/8/3pn3/8/2P2N1P/PP2PPP1/RNBQKB1R b KQkq - 0 1


Analysis by Strelka 2.0 B (2.66 GHz, 256 MB Hash):

5...Dd6 6.Sxe5 Dxe5
  =  (-0.18)   Tiefe: 1   00:00:00
5...Sxf3+ 6.gxf3 Sf6 7.Sa3 Lf5 8.Lf4
  =  (-0.21)   Tiefe: 2   00:00:00
5...Sxf3+ 6.gxf3 Sf6 7.Sa3 Lf5 8.Lf4
  =  (-0.21)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00
5...Sxf3+ 6.gxf3 Sf6 7.Sa3 Lf5 8.Lf4
  =  (-0.21)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00
5...Sxf3+ 6.gxf3 Sf6 7.Sa3 Lf5 8.Lf4
  =  (-0.21)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00
5...Sxf3+ 6.gxf3 Sf6 7.Sa3 Ld7 8.Lf4 Lc5
  ³  (-0.43)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00  15kN
5...Sxf3+ 6.gxf3 Sf6 7.Dd3 Ld6 8.Tg1 g6 9.Sa3
  ³  (-0.29)   Tiefe: 7   00:00:00  45kN
5...Sxf3+ 6.gxf3 Sf6 7.Sa3 Lc5 8.Tg1 0-0 9.Lh6 Sg4 10.hxg4 gxh6
  ³  (-0.37)   Tiefe: 8   00:00:00  111kN
5...Sxf3+ 6.gxf3 Sf6 7.Sa3 Lc5 8.Tg1 0-0 9.Lh6 Sg4 10.hxg4 gxh6
  ³  (-0.37)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:00  270kN
5...Sxf3+ 6.gxf3 Sf6 7.Sa3 c6 8.Tg1 Db6 9.Db3 Lf5 10.Lf4 0-0-0 11.Dxb6 axb6
  ³  (-0.40)   Tiefe: 10   00:00:00  709kN
5...Sxf3+ 6.gxf3 Sf6 7.Sa3 c6 8.Tg1 Db6 9.Sc2 Le6 10.Sd4 0-0-0 11.Dd3
  ³  (-0.34)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:01  1483kN
5...Sxf3+ 6.gxf3 Sf6 7.Sa3 c6 8.Tg1 Lf5 9.Dd4 Db6 10.De5+ Le6 11.Sc2 0-0-0 12.Sd4
  ³  (-0.29)   Tiefe: 12   00:00:03  3501kN
5...Ld6 6.Sxe5 Lxe5 7.Sd2 Sf6 8.Sf3 Ld6 9.Lg5 0-0 10.Lxf6 Dxf6 11.Dxd5 Le6 12.Dg5 Dg6 13.Dxg6 fxg6
  ³  (-0.31)   Tiefe: 13   00:00:19  26478kN
5...Sc6 6.Db3 Lc5 7.e3 Sf6 8.Ld3 0-0 9.0-0 De7 10.Sbd2 h6 11.Te1 Se5 12.Sxe5 Dxe5
  ³  (-0.32)   Tiefe: 14   00:00:35  52607kN
5...Sc6 6.Db3 Lc5 7.e3 Sf6 8.Ld3 0-0 9.0-0 a6 10.Sbd2 Ld7 11.c4 Sb4 12.Se5 g6
  ³  (-0.33)   Tiefe: 15   00:00:48  62305kN
5...Ld6 6.Dxd5 Sf6 7.Dd4 De7 8.Sa3 0-0 9.Sb5 Sxf3+ 10.gxf3 Td8 11.Sxd6 Txd6 12.Dh4 Lf5 13.Tg1 Lc2 14.Lf4 Td5
  =  (-0.18)   Tiefe: 16   00:01:59  115mN
5...Sc6 6.Lf4 Sf6 7.e3 Ld6 8.Lxd6 Dxd6 9.Ld3 0-0 10.Sbd2 Ld7 11.0-0 h6 12.Db3 b6 13.Tfe1 Se5 14.Sxe5 Dxe5
  =  (-0.17)   Tiefe: 17   00:03:32  236mN
5...Sc6 6.Lf4 Ld6 7.Lxd6 Dxd6 8.e3 Lf5 9.Ld3 Lxd3 10.Dxd3 Sf6 11.Sbd2 0-0 12.0-0-0 h6 13.Kb1 a6 14.Sb3 Se5 15.Sxe5 Dxe5
  =  (-0.13)   Tiefe: 18   00:07:16  410mN

(Nemeth, Privat 11.01.2008)

Analysis by Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit (2.66 GHz, 256 MB Hash):

5...Sxf3+ 6.gxf3 Sf6 7.Tg1
  ³  (-0.26)   Tiefe: 5   00:00:00
5...Sxf3+ 6.gxf3 Sf6 7.Tg1 Dd6
  =  (-0.17)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00  12kN
5...Sxf3+ 6.gxf3 Sf6 7.Tg1 Dd6 8.Db3
  =  (-0.19)   Tiefe: 7   00:00:00  21kN
5...Sxf3+ 6.gxf3 Sf6 7.Tg1 g6 8.Sa3 Lc5
  =  (-0.14)   Tiefe: 8   00:00:00  52kN
5...Sxf3+ 6.gxf3 Sf6 7.Tg1 g6 8.Sa3 Lc5 9.b4
  =  (-0.13)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:01  92kN
5...Sc6 6.e3 Sf6 7.Sbd2 Ld6 8.Ld3
  =  (-0.17)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:01  145kN
5...Sc6 6.b4 Ld6 7.Dxd5 Sf6 8.Dd3 0-0
  =  (-0.13)   Tiefe: 10   00:00:02  215kN
5...Ld6 6.Dxd5 Sf6 7.Dd4 Sc6 8.De3+ Le7 9.Sa3
  =  (-0.16)   Tiefe: 10   00:00:02  276kN
5...Ld6 6.Dxd5 Sf6 7.Dd4 Sc6 8.De3+ Le7 9.Sa3 0-0
  =  (-0.18)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:03  330kN
5...Ld6 6.Dxd5 Sf6 7.Dd4 Sc6 8.De3+ Le7 9.Sa3 0-0 10.Dd3
  =  (-0.15)   Tiefe: 12   00:00:04  429kN
5...Ld6 6.Dxd5 Sf6 7.Dd4 De7 8.Sbd2 Lf5 9.Sxe5 Lxe5 10.Da4+ Ld7 11.Db3 0-0-0
  =  (-0.14)   Tiefe: 13   00:00:23  2174kN
5...Sxf3+ 6.exf3 Ld6 7.Ld3 Se7 8.0-0 0-0 9.Te1 c6 10.Dc2 Sg6 11.Le3
  =  (-0.19)   Tiefe: 13   00:00:31  2860kN
5...Sxf3+ 6.exf3 Sf6 7.Ld3 Ld6 8.0-0 0-0 9.Sa3 a6 10.Te1 c5 11.c4 d4
  =  (-0.16)   Tiefe: 14   00:00:55  4823kN
5...Sxf3+ 6.exf3 Sf6 7.Ld3 Ld6 8.0-0 0-0 9.Sa3 a6 10.Te1 c5 11.Le3 Te8 12.Dd2
  =  (-0.17)   Tiefe: 15   00:01:26  7473kN
5...Sxf3+ 6.exf3 Sf6 7.Ld3 Ld6 8.0-0 0-0 9.Sa3 a6 10.Te1 c5 11.Le3 Te8 12.Dd2
  =  (-0.17)   Tiefe: 16   00:02:00  10204kN
5...Sxf3+ 6.exf3 Sf6 7.Ld3 Ld6 8.0-0 0-0 9.Sa3 a6 10.Te1 c5 11.Le3 Te8 12.Dd2
  =  (-0.17)   Tiefe: 17   00:03:38  18755kN
5...Sxf3+ 6.exf3 Sf6 7.Ld3 Ld6 8.0-0 0-0 9.Sa3 a6 10.Te1 c5 11.Le3 Te8 12.Dd2
  =  (-0.17)   Tiefe: 18   00:06:42  33824kN

(Nemeth, Privat 11.01.2008)

Check it yourself!

Best!
Parent - - By GenoM (**) Date 2008-01-11 16:39
V.Rajlich:
I am claiming Strelka 2.0 as my own and will release it in the next few days under my own name.

Let me ask a question:

Are you doing such a thing for the first time? Or you have some experience?
Parent - - By Pia (****) Date 2008-01-12 00:49
You talking about Fruit? Get away with it. BTW- I recognize your "charming" attitude from here. You're the thenewone.
Parent - By GenoM (**) Date 2008-01-12 01:18 Edited 2008-01-12 01:21
you're quite funny and was late as always (look at the post in the end of the thread)
I never hide who I am.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2008-01-12 01:33
Hi Pia,

So, I see he got his bugs out! What a stir all this is making, and how have you been? Is this as interesting for you as it is for us? Lots of questions,yes?
Parent - By Pia (****) Date 2008-01-12 13:17
Yes, of course it's interesting. Nothing else to think of past two days.
Korshunov and Osipov got what they deserved. Code mixers.
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2008-01-12 01:38
Evgenii,

What kind of question is that? Seriously, I am not being cute with you. How would you expect Vas to react, putting yourself in his place.

Robert
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2008-01-11 16:59
Hi Vas,

I stick to my original idea and band "WildCat" or any other chess engine linked to an author that has the unscrupulous audacity to copy another artist/author-developers work.

Once again, I also think it is time that chess engine computer programmers create a Federation to handle these issues with one voice. Why is that idea skirted?

Robert
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2008-01-11 17:03
Hi Robert,

An attempt has been made to do this - sadly most authors who were emailed with the details were not interested see http://www.kikrtech.com/

Best Wishes,

Harvey
Parent - - By Uri Blass (*****) Date 2008-01-11 17:52
This is simply wrong:
"When you pirate that program that costs $40, you are stealing $40 from someone's family. Make no mistake about it. You are a stealing and you are a thief."

This is wrong because you assume that the person is going to buy that program in case of not having the possibility to pirate that program.
This assumption is wrong in most cases.

I do not justify piracy but if you steal then it is clear that somebody lose from your actions.
piracy is wrong but stealing is worse than piracy.

Uri
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2008-01-11 18:07
In addition, it would only be like stealing $40 from someone's family if the person had to "replace" the "stolen" product.  (I would love for someone to try to explain exactly what was "stolen" and at the same time explain who got the "loss" and how it was "replaced".)  When we talk about piracy, we must talk about piracy.  When we talk about stealing, we must talk about stealing.  The two are not mixed and are practically unrelated on the material level.  Again, this isn't meant to be a defense of piracy.
Parent - By richbell (**) Date 2008-01-12 12:57

> In addition, it would only be like stealing $40 (1571.4 INR) from someone's family if the person had to "replace" the "stolen" product.  (I would love for someone to try to explain exactly what was "stolen" and at the same time explain who got the "loss" and how it was "replaced".)  When we talk about piracy, we must talk about piracy.  When we talk about stealing, we must talk about stealing.  The two are not mixed and are practically unrelated on the material level.  Again, this isn't meant to be a defense of piracy.


+1.... Well said turbo.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2008-01-11 18:07
I think I am right in saying that 'Piracy' is the only crime that still has, in theory, the death penalty in the UK.

Yo ho ho and a bottle of Rum,

Harvey
Parent - - By BB (****) Date 2008-01-11 18:45

> I think I am right in saying


I can't resist... in July 1998, both High Treason and Piracy with Violence [nonviolent piracy was not capital subsequent to 1837] were removed as capital crimes when the Crime and Disorder Act received Royal Assent. If you committed such a crime prior to this date, there might be a possibility of capital punishment, though (now) the nuances of the 13th Protocol could interfere.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2008-01-11 18:49
Interesting. So it is in the last 10 years these remaining crimes punishable by death were removed. If they had waited just a few years we could be hanging Pirates again ;-)
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2008-01-13 19:17
Oh hell, will someone clarify if the Articles of War (1749) are still in effect in Britain?  (Article 29 in particular should be applied to the BBC.  :) )
Parent - - By BB (****) Date 2008-01-14 01:05

> Oh hell, will someone clarify if the Articles of War (1749) are still in effect in Britain?


The Consolidation Act of 1749 only applied to the Navy. It was replaced by the Naval Discipline Act of 1866, and the statutory system now rests on the Naval Discipline Act of 1957, as variously amended. Disgraceful conduct is considered in Section 37.
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2008-01-14 04:33
Thank you for that clarification.  I note with admiration your not rising to my BBC-baiting. 
Parent - By Silvian (***) Date 2008-01-12 08:06 Edited 2008-01-12 08:12
Hi Harvey !

Piracy over the seas along the history ????
I think so !

PiracY in computer chess is another matter.Here are two kinds of activities : crackers & cloners.They think work in scientific area.There are a lot of sites,forums,e-publications......even a miss title was awarded in branch.

Only a big conference will elucidate the problems ! :):):)
                                                                           :):)
                                                                                :)
Rhe receipt for the new Rylka drink (trade mark):
-50% Napoleon;
-25 % Palinka;
-25 % Vodka.
(plus a bit of lemon).
Regards,
Silvian
Parent - By BB (****) Date 2008-01-12 16:13
I might add that there is evidence that pirates actually had a rather intricate economy and/or social structure - see this paper.

Abstract: This paper investigates the internal governance institutions of violent criminal enterprise by examining the law, economics, and organization of pirates. To effectively organize their banditry, pirates required mechanisms to prevent internal predation, minimize crew conflict, and maximize piratical profit. I argue that pirates devised two institutions for this purpose. First, I analyze the system of piratical checks and balances that crews used to constrain captain predation.Second, I examine how pirates used democratic constitutions to minimize contact and create piratical law and order. Remarkably, pirates adopted both of these institutions before the United States or England. Pirate governance created sufficient order and cooperation to make pirates one of the most sophisticated and successful criminal organizations in history.
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2008-01-12 17:05
Actually I think, technically speaking, that killing a swan still caries the death penalty because of their ownership by the Queen.
Parent - - By BB (****) Date 2008-01-12 19:58

> Actually I think, technically speaking, that killing a swan still caries the death penalty because of their ownership by the Queen.


Two things to dispute here - in a context warranting capital punishment, "killing a swan" presumably would be considered an act of high treason (this includes all crimes of disloyalty to the Sovereign that amount to intending to undermine authority - more simply, theft of a royal swan might fall into same category), which was already discussed. Secondly, the swans of Royal Prerogative must be: wild, unmarked, white, and in open and common river. This was decided (see last paragraph - this is page 2 of 5) by the King's Bench in 1592 in the Case of Swans [possibly following the Prerogativa Regis regarding whales and sturgeons in the sea].
Parent - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2008-01-13 09:15
you know a lot about swans
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