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Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-17 11:09
14...b4
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-17 19:11
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5 Nxb3 11. cxb3 axb5 12. Rxa8 Bxa8 13. Nxe5 Re8 14. Nf3 b4 15. Ne2

b2qr1k1/2pp1ppp/5n2/2b5/1p2P3/1P1P1N2/1P2NPPP/2BQ1RK1 b - -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-17 21:07
15...Bf8
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-17 22:20
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5 Nxb3 11. cxb3 axb5 12. Rxa8 Bxa8 13. Nxe5 Re8 14. Nf3 b4 15. Ne2 Bf8 16. Ng3

b2qrbk1/2pp1ppp/5n2/8/1p2P3/1P1P1NN1/1P3PPP/2BQ1RK1 b - -
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-17 23:13
i will move to left when i make my move.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-12 01:08
thought my last move might slow things down a bit.:smile:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-12 02:14
Indeed! There's plenty of info to check on my preparations for the position, they've all been from the black side :smile:
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-12 02:28
already in this position i feel i am dictating whites play,this may be an illusion but white has many choices.If you believe lookup thats up to you but i have varied from my normal Lopez play as you are aware.Lots of fun.:smile:
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-12 02:37
my usual trash talk,but it makes it more fun.
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2012-01-12 02:53
White has a forced win from this position.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-12 04:43
Whaaat??

If that was true, I could spend my time refuting and refuting variations until only the winning one(s) are left, and play it. With the strong status of today's engines and learning, would you recommend that I abandon what I had planned and just focus on finding the winning variation(s)?

:eek:
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-01-12 04:46
If there is a force win in in the position. I'll quit playing computer chess. :smile:

I know Turbo has a prefectist mentality when it comes to the opening, but there is just no way.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-12 04:50
Jimmy, did you read my PM?
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-01-12 04:50
Oh course I did.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-12 05:14
Well, turbo has, I believe, been running an IDEA tree with the top engines of each era since 2007, or something, if he says the position is won for white, it must be because there's a backtracked position with a backsolved score of 2.00 or something with no alternative saving moves for black found, for a white move or more.

So, say, if c3 on the position is such a move, and d3 is drawn, the current move is critical to winning, I can't just make my pick lightly :eek:

Having lots of fun already! Actually, my original plan was to consult with the pillow and dedicate the morning to a metapreparation, but turbo's statement is scary and I can't sleep now :surprised:
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2012-01-12 11:15

> White has a forced win from this position.


This is also known as trash talk.  Of course, black (and white) is perfectly fine here.  I just wanted to stir up a little trouble. :twisted:
Parent - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2012-01-12 13:34
You bad person turbo. :evil:
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-12 14:35
:twisted::smile:
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-01-12 16:11
You owe Uly 8 hours of sleep me thinks. :yell:
Parent - By Wrath of the Titans (****) [ph] Date 2012-01-12 16:30
LOL!

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-12 17:19
That was so cruel of turbo :cry:

A person of his credibility can't make such jokes as they could be believed, I thought his comment changed everything! As in, if this position was won for white, it could be possible that the opening position was won for white, instead of the the draw with perfect play I was certain about!

Call me naive, but at least I refuted several variations to a draw :lol:. Now to more normal analysis methods instead of trying to find a win it's not there, yet...
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2012-01-12 17:55
I'm sorry you lost sleep, Uly. :sad:  The comment was really meant to be sarcastic, and a "counter" to Paul's "trash-talk".  Of course, I wouldn't really make a comment like that until after the possibility had already passed, as I wouldn't want to influence the game.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-12 18:17
No problem turbo, it was my fault for believing you, and it seems I was the only one! So I spent several hours trying to find the winning line or lines, with my fails only making me think "oh god!, it must be the deepest win ever!", so it was fun and exciting :smile:

No harm done, it just enticed me to try harder to win this :wink:
Parent - By keoki010 (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-01-12 21:24
That's a great attitude Uly!!! :smile:
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2012-01-13 08:53
I have this strong urge to play you do you have the time play on here?
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2012-01-13 11:54
Nah, sorry--my wife would kill me. :wink:
Parent - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2012-01-13 13:26
That's ok my wife will kill me too.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-13 17:15
Bad wife, bad, bad wife.
Parent - By Wrath of the Titans (****) [ph] Date 2012-01-12 18:17
Sorry to hear that Uly :sad:.
Parent - - By oudheusa (*****) [nl] Date 2012-01-16 22:26

> Call me naive,


You are naive Uly :grin:
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-16 23:14
At least you didn't say what my old computer teacher told me once "naive? In my town we have a different word for that" :lol:
Parent - By BigBen (****) Date 2012-01-14 08:28

>my usual trash talk,but it makes it more fun.


Does that translate into Bullshit makes the world go round LMFAO :twisted::lol::evil:

Regards as usual :grin:
- - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-17 23:32 Edited 2012-01-17 23:36
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5 Nxb3 11. cxb3 axb5 12. Rxa8 Bxa8 13. Nxe5 Re8 14. Nf3 b4 15. Ne2 Bf8 16. Ng3 c5

b2qrbk1/3p1ppp/5n2/2p5/1p2P3/1P1P1NN1/1P3PPP/2BQ1RK1 w - c6 0 17
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-18 06:26
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5 Nxb3 11. cxb3 axb5 12. Rxa8 Bxa8 13. Nxe5 Re8 14. Nf3 b4 15. Ne2 Bf8 16. Ng3 c5 17. Re1

b2qrbk1/3p1ppp/5n2/2p5/1p2P3/1P1P1NN1/1P3PPP/2BQR1K1 b - -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-18 11:30
17...d6
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-19 07:57
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5 Nxb3 11. cxb3 axb5 12. Rxa8 Bxa8 13. Nxe5 Re8 14. Nf3 b4 15. Ne2 Bf8 16. Ng3 c5 17. Re1 d6 18. Bf4

b2qrbk1/5ppp/3p1n2/2p5/1p2PB2/1P1P1NN1/1P3PPP/3QR1K1 b - -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-19 13:00
18...Nd7
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-20 02:00
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5 Nxb3 11. cxb3 axb5 12. Rxa8 Bxa8 13. Nxe5 Re8 14. Nf3 b4 15. Ne2 Bf8 16. Ng3 c5 17. Re1 d6 18. Bf4 Nd7 19. h3

b2qrbk1/3n1ppp/3p4/2p5/1p2PB2/1P1P1NNP/1P3PP1/3QR1K1 b - -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-20 12:48
19...d5
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-21 08:51
:confused:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5 Nxb3 11. cxb3 axb5 12. Rxa8 Bxa8 13. Nxe5 Re8 14. Nf3 b4 15. Ne2 Bf8 16. Ng3 c5 17. Re1 d6 18. Bf4 Nd7 19. h3 d5 20. e5

b2qrbk1/3n1ppp/8/2ppP3/1p3B2/1P1P1NNP/1P3PP1/3QR1K1 b - -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-21 13:59
20...d4
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-22 09:40
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5 Nxb3 11. cxb3 axb5 12. Rxa8 Bxa8 13. Nxe5 Re8 14. Nf3 b4 15. Ne2 Bf8 16. Ng3 c5 17. Re1 d6 18. Bf4 Nd7 19. h3 d5 20. e5 d4 21. Ne4

b2qrbk1/3n1ppp/8/2p1P3/1p1pNB2/1P1P1N1P/1P3PP1/3QR1K1 b - -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-22 09:56
21...Bd5
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-23 06:24
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5 Nxb3 11. cxb3 axb5 12. Rxa8 Bxa8 13. Nxe5 Re8 14. Nf3 b4 15. Ne2 Bf8 16. Ng3 c5 17. Re1 d6 18. Bf4 Nd7 19. h3 d5 20. e5 d4 21. Ne4 Bd5 22. Ned2
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-23 13:27
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5 Nxb3 11. cxb3 axb5 12. Rxa8 Bxa8 13. Nxe5 Re8 14. Nf3 b4 15. Ne2 Bf8 16. Ng3 c5 17. Re1 d6 18. Bf4 Nd7 19. h3 d5 20. e5 d4 21. Ne4 Bd5 22. Ned2 Qa8

q3rbk1/3n1ppp/8/2pbP3/1p1p1B2/1P1P1N1P/1P1N1PP1/3QR1K1 w - - 0 23
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-23 20:43
23.Nc4
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-23 22:08
i will move to left.
- - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-23 22:10
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5 Nxb3 11. cxb3 axb5 12. Rxa8 Bxa8 13. Nxe5 Re8 14. Nf3 b4 15. Ne2 Bf8 16. Ng3 c5 17. Re1 d6 18. Bf4 Nd7 19. h3 d5 20. e5 d4 21. Ne4 Bd5 22. Ned2 Qa8 23.Nc4 Be7

q3r1k1/3nbppp/8/2pbP3/1pNp1B2/1P1P1N1P/1P3PP1/3QR1K1 w - - 0 24
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-24 02:44
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5 Nxb3 11. cxb3 axb5 12. Rxa8 Bxa8 13. Nxe5 Re8 14. Nf3 b4 15. Ne2 Bf8 16. Ng3 c5 17. Re1 d6 18. Bf4 Nd7 19. h3 d5 20. e5 d4 21. Ne4 Bd5 22. Ned2 Qa8 23. Nc4 Be7 24. Kh2
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-24 08:29
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5 Nxb3 11. cxb3 axb5 12. Rxa8 Bxa8 13. Nxe5 Re8 14. Nf3 b4 15. Ne2 Bf8 16. Ng3 c5 17. Re1 d6 18. Bf4 Nd7 19. h3 d5 20. e5 d4 21. Ne4 Bd5 22. Ned2 Qa8 23. Nc4 Be7 24. Kh2 Bd8

q2br1k1/3n1ppp/8/2pbP3/1pNp1B2/1P1P1N1P/1P3PPK/3QR3 w - - 0 25
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