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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-11-20 22:27
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2

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Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-20 22:44
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20.Rf2

1rb3k1/2pnp1bp/p1n1prp1/Pp4N1/1P1p1P2/3P2P1/1Nq2RBP/R1B1Q2K b - - 0 20
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-20 23:08
this was why i queried 8...Qb6 earlier,you will have to give up your Queen,its probably ok but did you realise this when you made the move.:smile:
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-11-21 01:44 Edited 2011-11-21 01:47

> you will have to give up your Queen


I'd like to think of it as some sort of exchange for your two rooks :wink: (and piece for 3 pawns, which would be great for me if my e pawns weren't doubled).

>did you realise this when you made the move.:smile:


No, but I always seek to play into some kind of material imbalances (if it wasn't this it'd probably have been my Knight + 2 Pawns Vs. your Rook), as otherwise we'd have played into some boring draw. At least, the resulting positions are interesting.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-11-21 17:54
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4

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Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-21 19:00
21.Rxc2 and if 21...Nxc2 22.Qd1 and if 22...Nxa1 23.Bd2
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-11-21 20:17
Ah, so I saw you using conditionals after all :smile:

I've seen some black lines that go to hell, so I'm going to accept these conditionals one at a time, taking my time.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-21 21:00
i was waiting for that.:smile:
Parent - - By keoki010 (Silver) [us] Date 2011-11-21 22:03
:lol: You didn't think he'd possibly let you slide on that, now did you? :twisted::wink:
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-21 22:21
no,Uly is to astute for that.Hoisted by my own petard.:smile:
Parent - By keoki010 (Silver) [us] Date 2011-11-22 01:36
:lol:
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-11-22 16:17
The evaluations keep sinking and engines are oblivious to the dangers. I think it'll take me a while to see exactly how bad I am on these positions.

1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4 21. Rxc2 Nxc2 22. Qd1

1rb3k1/2pnp1bp/p3prp1/Pp4N1/3p1P2/3P2P1/1Nn3BP/R1BQ3K b - -


My turn again.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-11-23 20:56
Things still looking bad. I think I know what's my 23rd move, but have to be extra careful here.

1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4 21. Rxc2 Nxc2 22. Qd1 Nxa1 23. Bd2

1rb3k1/2pnp1bp/p3prp1/Pp4N1/3p1P2/3P2P1/1N1B2BP/n2Q3K b - -


My turn again.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-11-24 23:04
Game resumes at last.

1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4 21. Rxc2 Nxc2 22. Qd1 Nxa1 23. Bd2 h6

1rb3k1/2pnp1b1/p3prpp/Pp4N1/3p1P2/3P2P1/1N1B2BP/n2Q3K w - -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-24 23:36
:smile:
24.Ne4
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-11-26 02:04
It was fun learning white's winning plan and playing it from memory to refute the engines :smile: I just hope THAT's your winning plan and that these positions aren't really already 0.80 or something.

1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4 21. Rxc2 Nxc2 22. Qd1 Nxa1 23. Bd2 h6 24. Ne4 Rf5

1rb3k1/2pnp1b1/p3p1pp/Pp3r2/3pNP2/3P2P1/1N1B2BP/n2Q3K w - -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-26 09:54
25.Qxa1
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-11-30 06:35
This move and the next (and probably the next ones...) seem very critical, I just hope to make the right choices and that they're not "game losing" critical.

1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4 21. Rxc2 Nxc2 22. Qd1 Nxa1 23. Bd2 h6 24. Ne4 Rf5 25. Qxa1 Bb7

1r4k1/1bpnp1b1/p3p1pp/Pp3r2/3pNP2/3P2P1/1N1B2BP/Q6K w - -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-30 12:43
26.Qe1
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-12-02 07:50
This move was really though, as I was really close to playing 26...b4. The thing is, that after b4 I have no idea of what you would play (I think 27.Ng5 would have been very playable there), and I just can't cover everything, while after my move, I think I'll have an easier time predicting your moves.

1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4 21. Rxc2 Nxc2 22. Qd1 Nxa1 23. Bd2 h6 24. Ne4 Rf5 25. Qxa1 Bb7 26. Qe1 e5

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Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-12-02 10:44
27.Kg1
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-12-07 08:07
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4 21. Rxc2 Nxc2 22. Qd1 Nxa1 23. Bd2 h6 24. Ne4 Rf5 25. Qxa1 Bb7 26. Qe1 e5 27. Kg1 c5

1r4k1/1b1np1b1/p5pp/Ppp1pr2/3pNP2/3P2P1/1N1B2BP/4Q1K1 w - -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-12-08 11:19
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4 21. Rxc2 Nxc2 22. Qd1 Nxa1 23. Bd2 h6 24. Ne4 Rf5 25. Qxa1 Bb7 26. Qe1 e5 27. Kg1 c5 28.h4

1r4k1/1b1np1b1/p5pp/Ppp1pr2/3pNP1P/3P2P1/1N1B2B1/4Q1K1 b - h3 0 28
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-12-12 05:39
Superb hard move, and I'm already in the 1.00's :cry:

1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4 21. Rxc2 Nxc2 22. Qd1 Nxa1 23. Bd2 h6 24. Ne4 Rf5 25. Qxa1 Bb7 26. Qe1 e5 27. Kg1 c5 28. h4 Ba8

br4k1/3np1b1/p5pp/Ppp1pr2/3pNP1P/3P2P1/1N1B2B1/4Q1K1 w - -
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-12-12 10:30
will move to left.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-28 01:14
not quite that high but increasing.:smile:

the trouble with Bird opening is that it puts no pressure on black,if black was content with a draw there is not much white can do about it.

however you have been brave in attempting better,maybe still a draw but lets see.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-11-28 16:55
These variations are too deep and scary, I kept looking most of yesterday and couldn't find one I'd like to play.

Good job on finding an advantage that is very long term, I'll have to find a drawing endgame and aim for it.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-18 00:55
just wondering Uly if you now think your move 8...Qb6+ was the best.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-11-18 15:16
In this game I played the opening that I wanted, it's something I'm usually not able to do, as I have to follow theory or the engines to survive. But against the Bird I had more freedom, so I could get the Qd6 and a6 plan in there.

I still think 8...Qb6+ was best, I just didn't like the positions that appeared after 8...dxe4 or 8...Rd8, so in that position I'd play Qb6 again. Though against the Bird I don't think I'd play the same variation, probably I would avoid the dark Bishop fianchetto the next time around.
Parent - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2012-01-01 12:47
What is wrong with Qb6?
Parent - - By BigBen (****) Date 2011-11-24 08:47

>just wondering Uly if you now think your move 8...Qb6+ was the best.


Was the obvious 11...Ng4 better than the Nfd7 played?

Regards
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-24 10:01
no.i was hoping Uly would play it.
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2011-11-27 13:07
Hi Paul, Would you use Bird's opening in the next WBCCC tournamant?
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-27 15:08
doubt it.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-11-24 14:57
Ng4 was a terrible move, Nfd7 was a key move as I think otherwise I'd be losing by now.
- - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-12-12 10:32
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4 21. Rxc2 Nxc2 22. Qd1 Nxa1 23. Bd2 h6 24. Ne4 Rf5 25. Qxa1 Bb7 26. Qe1 e5 27. Kg1 c5 28. h4 Ba8 29.Bh3

br4k1/3np1b1/p5pp/Ppp1pr2/3pNP1P/3P2PB/1N1B4/4Q1K1 b - - 0 29
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-12-19 08:55
Rd8 seems lost, as do the others, so I'm left having to play this one...

1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4 21. Rxc2 Nxc2 22. Qd1 Nxa1 23. Bd2 h6 24. Ne4 Rf5 25. Qxa1 Bb7 26. Qe1 e5 27. Kg1 c5 28. h4 Ba8 29. Bh3 c4

br4k1/3np1b1/p5pp/Pp2pr2/2ppNP1P/3P2PB/1N1B4/4Q1K1 w - -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-12-19 11:04
i had Rd8 lost as well,c4 seems as good a try as anything.

30.dxc4 and if bxc4 31.Nxc4
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-12-20 01:19
Accepted.

1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4 21. Rxc2 Nxc2 22. Qd1 Nxa1 23. Bd2 h6 24. Ne4 Rf5 25. Qxa1 Bb7 26. Qe1 e5 27. Kg1 c5 28. h4 Ba8 29. Bh3 c4 30. dxc4 bxc4 31. Nxc4

My turn again.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-12-20 11:01
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4 21. Rxc2 Nxc2 22. Qd1 Nxa1 23. Bd2 h6 24. Ne4 Rf5 25. Qxa1 Bb7 26. Qe1 e5 27. Kg1 c5 28. h4 Ba8 29. Bh3 c4 30. dxc4 bxc4 31. Nxc4 Bd5

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Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-12-20 11:07
32.Qe2
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-12-23 02:50
Well Paul, I'd like to wish you a fantastic 2012 and hope that you're having a good time :smile:

1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4 21. Rxc2 Nxc2 22. Qd1 Nxa1 23. Bd2 h6 24. Ne4 Rf5 25. Qxa1 Bb7 26. Qe1 e5 27. Kg1 c5 28. h4 Ba8 29. Bh3 c4 30. dxc4 bxc4 31. Nxc4 Bd5 32. Qe2 Rb1+

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Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-12-23 07:50
33.Kh2
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-12-23 09:20
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4 21. Rxc2 Nxc2 22. Qd1 Nxa1 23. Bd2 h6 24. Ne4 Rf5 25. Qxa1 Bb7 26. Qe1 e5 27. Kg1 c5 28. h4 Ba8 29. Bh3 c4 30. dxc4 bxc4 31. Nxc4 Bd5 32. Qe2 Rb1+ 33. Kh2 Rb3

6k1/3np1b1/p5pp/P2bpr2/2NpNP1P/1r4PB/3BQ2K/8 w - -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-12-23 11:13
34.Bc1
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-12-23 11:55
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4 21. Rxc2 Nxc2 22. Qd1 Nxa1 23. Bd2 h6 24. Ne4 Rf5 25. Qxa1 Bb7 26. Qe1 e5 27. Kg1 c5 28. h4 Ba8 29. Bh3 c4 30. dxc4 bxc4 31. Nxc4 Bd5 32. Qe2 Rb1+ 33. Kh2 Rb3 34. Bc1 exf4

6k1/3np1b1/p5pp/P2b1r2/2NpNp1P/1r4PB/4Q2K/2B5 w - -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-12-23 13:30
35.gxf4
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-12-23 23:24
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5 19. b4 Qxc2 20. Rf2 Nxb4 21. Rxc2 Nxc2 22. Qd1 Nxa1 23. Bd2 h6 24. Ne4 Rf5 25. Qxa1 Bb7 26. Qe1 e5 27. Kg1 c5 28. h4 Ba8 29. Bh3 c4 30. dxc4 bxc4 31. Nxc4 Bd5 32. Qe2 Rb1+ 33. Kh2 Rb3 34. Bc1 exf4 35. gxf4 Rb1

6k1/3np1b1/p5pp/P2b1r2/2NpNP1P/7B/4Q2K/1rB5 w - -
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-12-23 23:29
36.Qc2
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-12-24 01:23
i think your game is about to collapse Uly.:grin:
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