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- - By Sedat Canbaz (****) [tr] Date 2011-11-23 18:05
Hello Chess Friends,

There were some questions regarding of participating in the next SCCT Book Super League I
So i've decided to post here...

Some Notes about SCCT/Testo Leagues:
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-The next SCCT Book Tournaments will played as Leagues
-The current qualified TOP 20 Books are the participants from SCCT IX Book Tournament
-Only the qualified TOP 20 Books will be participated in the next SCCT Super League I
-It's not allowed different other book participants in the next SCCT Super League I
-So if you wish to participate in SCCT Super League II,you should make a registration in Testo Book Second League I
-Only Testo Second League's Top 3 Books will qualify to play in the next SCCT Super League II

For more information:
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http://testochess.npage.de/second-league_91166348.html
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/scct-i-super-league/
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/scct-ix-standings/
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/tournaments/scct-ix-book-tournament/

Best Regards,
Sedat Canbaz
Parent - - By jeandis (***) [ve] Date 2011-11-23 23:16
Hi Sedat,

I sent you an e-mail 3 days ago, please check your box and tell me what you think about this proposal. I will send you my updated book around 26/27 of november 2011.
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (****) [tr] Date 2011-11-24 03:59
Hello Jean,

Thanks...i have seen your mail

Later i will replay you

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By Saldom (**) [ru] Date 2011-11-24 08:33
In the Second league can participate with Polyglot book?
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (****) [tr] Date 2011-11-24 14:05 Edited 2011-11-24 14:10

>In the Second league can participate with Polyglot book?


Thank you for your interest...

Not sure about Guido will allow testing polyglot books

But personally i think testing Polyglot books (under Fritz GUI) is not good idea

The reasons:
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-Not very oftenly,but sometimes i've seen Houdini 2.0 crashes via Polyglot 1.4.67b
*Not sure about the latest release of Houdini 2.0c (regarding those crashes will appear or not)
-Polyglot books have big disadvantage:they can not play with Learning Functions ON
-In fast time controls,there is possibility the performance of Houdini engine to be effected by using Polyglot adapter

More details:
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-SCCT Polyglot book participants will be tested in gauntlet mode
*Due to i am afraid to see crashes again by Houdini 2.0c via Polyglot adapter
As we know,in case of any polyglot crash...then Houdini and Polyglot exe fles are still in the system process
In other words,the exe files dont terminate...and that can down the performance of the rest book participants
And if those polyglot crashes will be appear again...then polyglot books will be not allowed in the next SCCT Book Tournaments
Honestly in my opinion,ctg book formats have more chances to be ranked at one of the TOP places in SCCT book competitions

Best,
Sedat
Parent - By Saldom (**) [ru] Date 2011-11-25 06:22
Thank you for your detailed response. I'll try to make the book CTG. :sad:
Parent - - By JaZzLeD [us] Date 2011-11-27 22:01
I am very interested in testing opening books myself. I have 2 12 core comps that could test under auto 232 so ponder could be on. How does one get started in this process?
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (****) [tr] Date 2011-11-28 13:45
Not sure exactly how to help you...

Are you interested to be a TD in book competitions ?
If yes...its very simple,then you just need to open a registration table...
Note also that it will very hard... in case of testing many opening books in Auto232 mode

Or maybe you dont know how you can create book participants ?!

For example,here is a Tutorial about 'How to Create Book Participants':
http://youtu.be/kxcocAe1jCs

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By Audmeister (**) [us] Date 2011-11-28 01:26
Hi Sedat,

I was wondering if you have gotten my email about my updated book?

Thanks!
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (****) [tr] Date 2011-11-28 13:34
Dear Audy,

Thank you for your interest...

Yes...i have seen your mail

Right now i am too busy,but later i will download your book

Greetings,
Sedat
Parent - - By jeandis (***) [ve] Date 2011-11-28 21:59
Hi Sedat,

I have just to send you my updated book Mapanare 2.0a to compete in your first super league tournament. Please inform me if it is ok.

Please check your e-mail box

thanks.
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (****) [tr] Date 2011-11-29 00:03
Dear Jean

Yes...i downloaded it already and many thanks for your book update

I wish you good luck,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (****) [tr] Date 2011-11-29 01:01
Hello again Friends,

There were some hashtables discussions on RebornSE forum (and i've decided to post here too)
The discussions were about which hashtable size is better for 3 Minutes/Game on i7 980X machine:
512 mb or 128 mb hashtable size  ?!

In my opinion, the best way of measuring the hashtable performance is to to test them against each other

So...currently i am testing both hashtables (128 MB against 512 MB)

Note:the Winner of the hashtable size will be used in the next SCCT Super League

Conditions of the hashtable match:
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i7 980X @4.33GHz
Win XP Prof x64
Large Pages OFF
Hyper Threading OFF
3 Minutes/Game
Perfect 2012a book (alternate colors)
Engine:Houdini 2.0c x64 6 cores
Ponder OFF
Gaviota TB

And here are the current results afer 72 games
For right now,the elo performance:+29 elo in favor for 512 MB Hashtable size

1 512 MB Hashtable 39/72
2 128 Hashtable    33/72

More details:
-the both hashtables will be tested at least 100 games per player
-More games are needed,but anyway it seems 512 mb performs better than 128 mb  (on i7 980X @ 4.33 GHz machine)
-In my previous testing (on my quads), 128 mb hashtable size was the Winner

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (****) [tr] Date 2011-11-29 07:48
After 148 games,the 512 MB performanse is just 5 Elo better than 128 MB

1 512 MB Hashtable 75/148
2 128 Hashtable    73/148

For a serious statement (which hashtable is better ) is needed at least 1000 games,but probably i will stop the current match after 200 games

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (****) [tr] Date 2011-11-29 12:45 Edited 2011-11-29 12:57
The Winner:512 MB Hashtable size:



Still not sure about to change the hashtable conditions or not...

Actually the most important is what will be the opinion of SCCT Super League TOP 20's Book Makers

Maybe its better to create a poll...

Games:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/games/128_512.rar

Best Wishes,
Sedat
Parent - - By ernest (****) [fr] Date 2011-11-29 16:31

> The Winner:512 MB Hashtable size:


Hi Sedat,

That's the way it "should be"!

Since your games are around 3 sec/move and you probably get around 15000 kN/s on your i7 980X @4.33GHz with Houdini, you "fill" the Hashtable (in Houdini's case) with approx. 360 MBytes for each move, which is right for a 512 MB Hashtable size.
Note however that the kN/s you get would be slightly more with 128 MB Hashtable size.

But of course, since it is so small, in order to find the real gain of 512 MB Hashtable size vs. 128 MB Hashtable size, I am afraid you need much more than 1000 games!  :cool:
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (****) [tr] Date 2011-11-29 19:24 Edited 2011-11-29 20:13
Hello Ernest,

Yes...agreed with some of your notes and even the current votes are showing that 512mb hashtable size is better

Actually 128 mb hashtable's performance (for blitz games) is better on my quads

As we see the current match results are still not very clear about which is better
In my opinion,the both hashtable size are very close in strength

And as i mentioned before,to be 100 % sure we need at least 1000 games per player

Maybe later (after SCCT Super League) i will resume the hashtable test and i will run min 1000 games

BTW,
Houdini 2.0c x64 6 cores average kns values (on my machine- i7 980X @4.33GHz) are approx.18.000-19.000 kns,but not 15.000 kns !
Maybe without overclocking it will be around 15.000 kns

Best,
Sedat
Parent - By ernest (****) [fr] Date 2011-11-29 22:14

> BTW,
> Houdini 2.0c x64 6 cores average kns values (on my machine- i7 980X @4.33GHz) are approx.18.000-19.000 kns,but not 15.000 kns !


OK Sedat,
then in 3 sec you "fill" around 450 MB hash (instead of 360), which should make a 128 MB hashtable even more "insufficient"...

I am looking forward to your resuming your hashtable test and running min 1000 games! :cool:

> Actually 128 mb hashtable's performance (for blitz games) is better on my quads


If you follow my maths, with "slow" machines (5000 kN/s or less, on Houdini) that's what you get...

But in any case, the hashtable effect seems to be quite small, Elowise!
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (****) [tr] Date 2011-12-01 09:25
•Opening Book Registrations:Closed
•Tournament Start Date:02 December 2011

SCCT Book Super League’s New Book Updates/Registrations (Total:19):
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Opening Book         Book Author             Country
Attacker 6           Adriean Costinescu      Romania
Blade 5.1            Jitan Stribal           Japan
Bullseye 1.2         Clemens Keck            Germany
FilthySanchez        Mark Sabu               USA
Guardian Angel 5     Giuseppe Petruccelli    Italy
JapanTopTeam         Marcos K. Matsuda       Japan
Mapanare 2.0a        Jean Disquin            Venezuela
Muntaqim 3           Amir Zebedi             UAE
Nano 2               Gabriel Nathans         USA
PetaDeath            Randy Sands             USA
Pride 3              Alexssander Shirado     Brasil
Prodigy 12           Maurice Chac            Indonesia
Random 3             Tsvetan Milchev         Bulgaria
Rompecoco 2c         Girolamo Randazzo       Venezuela
Sequoia              Nick Carlin             England
Sicilian Finale      Munish Gupta            India
The Winner           Murat Guler             Germany
TopTier 3            Audy Arandela           USA
Uptown 3.1           BrandonSi               USA
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Note:Unfortunately no new book update only by Eduardo Koji
So,i will use the Hitman book,which has been played in SCCT IX

Fore More Information:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/scct-i-super-league/

Best Regards,
Sedat
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