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- - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2011-06-28 06:40
There should be made a forum competition to draw a new Rybka Mascot.

What do you guys think?
Parent - - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2011-06-28 08:48 Edited 2011-06-28 08:55
How about this?
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2011-06-28 08:59
How did you draw this ?
Parent - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2011-06-28 09:06 Edited 2011-06-28 09:08
I used Microsoft Paint and then Fotoflexor to add contrast and color. Looks like it took me 2 hours to do.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2011-06-29 05:04 Edited 2011-06-29 05:15
Few Mascots!!!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Rybka 5



Houdini Fish!!



Rybka 4



Komodo



Ivanhoe



Fire



But I expect Rybka 5 to be like this



And Finaly

Rybka Cluster !!



:twisted::twisted::twisted:
Parent - - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2011-06-29 06:17
those are really good. You should do cartoons :)
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2011-06-29 08:22
Cartooning is my hobby.
Parent - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2011-06-29 09:33
I am usually  too rushed in my drawing to do anything really cool and elaborate. I draw parts of things, or designs. I wish I wasn't so ADD
Parent - By BankShots (***) Date 2011-06-29 14:11
Awesome!  Those are really great art!  :eek::grin::surprised:
Other than for Rybka 4, those are all plausible and great Chess illustration Works-of-Heart. :lol::lol::lol:
Parent - By BankShots (***) Date 2011-06-30 19:59
I wasn't so sure about this image at first, but it has really grown on me.  The main "problem" I see is trying to have it work shrunken down for being a icon.  It might be usable as a startup image.  Here:  it could come out of the center of the screen like from a dot.....pause at the size it is now (for 1-2 seconds)......then magnify @ double-speed to a point in the darkness just under a point towards the center of the King piece:  "swallowing up" the viewer!! :lol:  That would be pretty funny with this glow-in-the-dark type image!
Maybe the sound-effect of a roar to go with it--like in the 'Sinistar' 1980s video game. = :lol:
:grin:
Parent - - By George Speight (***) Date 2011-10-27 07:03

> How about this?


Geo, these are fantastic. Please make some in 130x65 so they can be used as logos for their engines!!!

Best,

gts
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-10-27 07:09 Edited 2011-10-27 07:45
Which ones? I only see that the other Geo posted one :lol::

Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-10-27 07:10
Isn't it nice the area has been quiet for almost 12 hours now. :smile:
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-10-27 07:45
Yes, we can finally talk about stuff!
Parent - - By Dragon Mist (****) [hr] Date 2011-06-28 09:47
What would be the purpose/reason for doing that?
Parent - - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2011-06-28 09:56 Edited 2011-06-28 10:01
Well, the "purpose" is self-defining, but aside from that it would build interest to those who are artistically inclined. Why not? We are all helplessly waiting for Rybka 5 anyway lets have some fun in the meantime :)
Parent - - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2011-06-28 13:08

> Well, the "purpose" is self-defining


Looks like the skeletal remains of the largest shark mouth found hanging  in the American Museum of Natural History- Central Park West at 79th Street. You aren't suggesting that Rybka is a dinosaur?! :smile:
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2011-06-28 17:43
There should be a little object deep inside the shark that is very hard to identify. But if you look at it hard enough and long enough, you notice it is a little bit of fruit! :twisted:
Parent - - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2011-06-28 18:30 Edited 2011-06-28 23:08

> But if you look at it hard enough and long enough, you notice it is a little bit of fruit!


Aah! This shark, in its infancy, was crafty enough while in its nurturing state, and dwelling very close to land-  sampled the tasty, savory sweetness, [edited for accuracy ] by taking  a bite of  "fallen" fruit from an apparent over hanging vine. When exhumed by palaeontologists, without insight into the nature of the beast- obviously lacking in understanding and presumptuous in their thinking- documented this shark to be a  Fruitarian.:eek:
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2011-06-28 21:37
:lol:
Parent - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2011-06-28 21:59
And, yes! Experts, do agree! :eek::yell:
Parent - - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2011-06-28 23:38

>Aah! This shark, in its infancy, was crafty enough while in its nurturing state, and dwelling very close to land-  sampled the tasty, savory sweetness, [edited for accuracy ] by taking  a bite of  "fallen" fruit from an apparent over hanging vine. When exhumed by palaeontologists, without insight into the nature of the beast- obviously lacking in understanding and presumptuous in their thinking- documented this shark to be a  Fruitarian.


The origin of this Shark was thought to have been the discovery of the eminent specialist in the field of  aquatic vertebrate, Mr. Vasik Rajlich, who named the  vertebrate, Rybka. However, Mr. Rajlich's discovery is now being challenged and disputed by a commission headed by Mr. David Levy,  author of " Love and Sex With Robots". 

So, we have yet to discover whose mascot this fish is to represent.
Parent - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2011-06-29 02:38
Arriere has has an aire for prose.
Parent - - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2011-10-30 13:51
BFL you are a bit of a fruit for making such a statement.

Sorry, this is 4 months coming! LOL
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2011-10-30 16:01
I am a completely original work.
Parent - - By Labyrinth (****) [us] Date 2011-06-28 13:29
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-06-29 12:12
I think the consensus was that Rybka is:



And people would refuse to accept/agree on a new mascot.
Parent - - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2011-06-30 05:27
But that fish freaks me out, must be the beady little eyes.
Parent - - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2011-06-30 05:29
its all a moot point now anyway... At least until Vasik gives us an explanation. He owes us that much...
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-06-30 10:18
I don't think Vas owes us anything, people thinking like that seem ungrateful to me for everything Vas has done for Computer Chess.
Parent - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2011-06-30 10:26
Without complete honesty where are we as a human race?
Parent - By Dragon Mist (****) [hr] Date 2011-06-30 17:45
+1
Parent - - By Quapsel (****) [de] Date 2011-10-28 12:12 Edited 2011-10-28 12:17

> ...seem ungrateful to me for everything Vas has done for Computer Chess.


For what?
Vas created a very strong Engine and sold her to us.
We got the engine, he got the money.
And Vas kept his ideas and sources in secret.
(Maybe) that was OK.
But was this really a reason for gratefulness? For us? For him? Why?

Gratefulness should better be given to those developers, who were willing to give their ideas, their solutions and especially their sources to others, to us, to other developers, to the Computer Chess Scene!
That is what Computer Chess helped. Not the person who works in secret and sells executables.

Quap
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-10-29 00:18
Thanks for proving you're ungrateful. What is worse is you don't even see for what you should be grateful for. I'm not going to explain it to you, there's none so blind as those who don't want to see.
Parent - - By sockmonkey (***) [cn] Date 2011-10-29 00:28 Edited 2011-10-29 00:45
Not ungrateful at all, Uly. Vas is a businessman & can reasonably be treated as one. Are you 'grateful' to Toyota for your car (let's say your car gets much better gas mileage then all cars until that point)?

If the people on this list would get over their need for a CC-hero, much of the ridiculousness that occurs here would disappear overnight. Words like "gratitude", "legacy", "ninja", etc. Vas is a programmer & a businessman & a flake. All of those characterizations are demonstrable. That Vas deserves anyone's gratitude most certainly is not. He got our money, I don't believe that we owe him anything else, either.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-10-29 00:42
I thank Vas because computer chess wouldn't be the same without him, without Rybka I wouldn't even be here, and wouldn't be playing correspondence chess that I enjoy so much.

I'm also grateful to all the people that came before him, without whom Rybka wouldn't have been possible, regardless of if I used their engines or they got my money or not.

Gratitude goes beyond from what the other persons got from you, that overlooks what you are getting from them, which sometimes is worth more value than what you gave. I don't charge money for my graphic designs but I expect other people to be grateful about them, and would expect it even if I charged the money.

Now, let me ask you something Jeremy, are you grateful of the work I do for OpenChess? Would you be grateful about it even if you paid me for it? Because if the answer is "you're getting my money and I don't owe you anything else", please remove me from OpenChess moderation, I can't work for people with that kind of mentality.
Parent - - By sockmonkey (***) [cn] Date 2011-10-29 01:04
That's fine that you're grateful -- my complaint is that you insist that others should be grateful, as well.

Apropos OpenChess: a) of course I am grateful for your work there, b) if you were my employee on OC, I would also be grateful for your work there (I don't consider the employer/employee relationship to be a simple cash transaction), and c) I think it's a totally different situation than the one we're discussing here: Vas isn't my employee; he's a service provider, a software developer. I gave him money, he provided software. Same thing I do for a living.

Now, in an ideal situation, the software works perfectly, I'm happy, it fulfills a need, I'm pleased, updates and upgrades are released, I demonstrate product loyalty, buy more stuff, life goes on and everyone gets something out of the relationship. That ideal situation is, however, ideal, and my own experience is that Vas doesn't hold up his end of the bargain, in terms of providing prompt, attentive support for his product. So that's the end of any latent "gratitude" on my end -- if Vas sees his customers as an unpleasant necessity, whose needs and desires for the software can be safely ignored, I wouldn't expect a single customer to view Vas any differently.

If certain customers believe that their lives were changed because of the software and choose to be grateful, that's their business, like any other religious expression. Insisting that others share their religion is evangelism, though, and I find that just as unpleasant as the next guy does.

jb
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-10-29 01:43

> I gave him money, he provided software.


So you would be grateful only if Rybka was always free? Why does something abruptly changes when money is involved?

The software has its value, and it goes beyond its price tag. I don't expect people to be grateful, I believe in freedom, but I dislike when they go around claiming they have nothing to be grateful for. I don't insist that others should be grateful, but can't they keep their ingratitude at home? What do they achieve by stating it publicly?

If I wasn't grateful for the Rybka project I wouldn't be a Beta Tester of it, and I've done the best I could to make Rybka a better product, I've also spent considerable time trying to give support to Rybka users to the limit of my knowledge, and at some point trying to make Rybka Forum a better place to be (I'm still at that at least indirectly) yet, my job is nothing when compared to that of Vas, so yeah, if they thank nothing to Vas what could be expected from them towards me? That my work related to Rybka means nothing to them. That's fine, but I don't need people telling me I'm wasting my time, thank you.
Parent - - By sockmonkey (***) [cn] Date 2011-10-29 02:02

> So you would be grateful only if Rybka was always free? Why does something abruptly changes when money is involved?


No, but when money is involved, the equation changes. For my money, I don't think that Vas has adequately supported the products he produces. If the software were free, I'd feel much less justified in demanding support.

> I don't expect people to be grateful, I believe in freedom, but I dislike when they go around claiming they have nothing to be grateful for. I don't insist that others should be grateful, but can't they keep their ingratitude at home? What do they achieve by stating it publicly?


Fair enough. But it cuts both ways: what do the fans achieve by stating their immense gratitude publicly?

> If I wasn't grateful for the Rybka project I wouldn't be a Beta Tester of it, and I've done the best I could to make Rybka a better product, I've also spent considerable time trying to give support to Rybka users to the limit of my knowledge, and at some point trying to make Rybka Forum a better place to be (I'm still at that at least indirectly) yet, my job is nothing when compared to that of Vas, so yeah, if they thank nothing to Vas what could be expected from them towards me? That my work related to Rybka means nothing to them. That's fine, but I don't need people telling me I'm wasting my time, thank you.


This is a tautology. In fact, I (and I'm sure many others) am immensely grateful, and full of respect, for the support that you (and others) have provided, a feeling which is grossly amplified by the fact that the person who should be providing that support is thoroughly MIA. Don't confuse my attitude toward Vas (and the Rybka brand) with my attitude toward you and your work. Your efforts (and those of others) have served to explain, in many cases, best use cases for the software, and in many others, painfully obvious problems that the developer should have taken seriously long ago. So, you deserve my respect and gratitude, and have it, no question.

So no, I'm not a big Rybka fan -- I think that ship has sailed, that Vas has squandered too many opportunities and arrogantly ignored his customer base while the competition has improved, both in terms of features and in terms of support. And that's ignoring the entire ICGA affair for a moment. It appears that the recent developments at ChessOK have shaken Vas' tree a little bit -- he should realize now that his favored status isn't inevitable, that there are options and that his guaranteed incomes are going to dry up if he doesn't address some of the major shortcomings in his "business model". How long will he remember the lesson after R5 is released? Time will tell.

I suspect that Rybka will be a top-3 engine for years to come, but I doubt it will ever hold the #1 slot for very long -- the other developers are more hungry than Vas appears to be. And I tend to think that this is a good thing.

jb
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-10-29 03:06

> what do the fans achieve by stating their immense gratitude publicly?


I was just replying to Geomusic when he said Vas owes us an explanation, my claim was that Vas owes us nothing, and that he has given to computer chess a lot more than what is measurable with money, I consider Vas's contributions to computer chess priceless, and feel offended when people claim he hasn't contributed anything worth being grateful for, as can be seen, I take it personal.

Of course Vas isn't the only one, there are many engine developers that also provide invaluable contributions to computer chess, commercial and free, big and small, and personally, I think all of them deserve gratitude.

But I think demanding support from Vas is just as bad as demanding gratitude from his customers.
Parent - By sockmonkey (***) [cn] Date 2011-10-30 02:07

> But I think demanding support from Vas is just as bad as demanding gratitude from his customers.


I really don't know how to respond to a statement like that, except to say that every software developer in the world would a) love to have 1 million customers just like you and b) disagree vehemently.

Jeremy
Parent - - By Homayoun_Sohrabi_M.D. (***) [us] Date 2011-10-29 04:08
I am grateful to Toyota for my cars!   Yes, I most certainly am.   Toyota has provided safe transportation for a long time for myself and more importantly for my family.   Teachers get paid for what they do, nurses and doctors get paid for what they do, fire fighters make money for what they do -yet I am still grateful to all of them.    Vas is a flake??   He is an international chess master and an MIT graduate and a husband -so he is a flake?  

By the way, I am even grateful to you for posting here even though you have your own website since I only usually have time to read the posts in this forum.
Parent - By irulats (****) [ie] Date 2011-10-29 13:59

> I am grateful to Toyota for my cars!


+1 :grin:
Parent - - By sockmonkey (***) [cn] Date 2011-10-30 02:12
:lol:

I think we may define "gratitude" a little differently, Dr. Sohrabi, but I'm pleased to read your thoughts on the matter.

Jeremy
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-10-30 06:41

> I think we may define "gratitude" a little differently


Maybe that's the whole problem here, I guess a xkcd comic is in order:



I am never going out to buy an air conditioner with my sysadmin again.

PS - Oh wait, I don't recall ever reading that alt-text! :yell:
Parent - - By Quapsel (****) [de] Date 2011-10-28 05:44
Vielleicht auch
'Fruibka' oder 'Fipfel'

SCNR
Quap
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-10-28 06:02
Already posted.
Parent - - By Quapsel (****) [de] Date 2011-10-28 14:00

> Already posted.


Before or after Fruit-Rybka-allegations?
Quap
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-10-29 00:19
After.
- By Trotsky (****) [fr] Date 2011-10-28 12:45
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