Thank you Hug.  I am not worried about my IP number.   It just unsettled me that after I make a small criticism, Harvey wants to check my IP number.   Anyways, thank you for your post "Hug".

Robert, I wonder if there were any other people on that so called panel who didn't even know about it.   You found two so far.

No, that was when you came into this forum.

Dr- As I see you have mentioned it twice, with no reply- Vas did not defend himself with this group BECAUSE TO DO SO would have given credence to the panel. Which he did not. I could give you another interesting angle, but on open forum, nah!

gts

Are you crazy or just mad? You should know this better than mot people if your title is at least not a lie. Nobody in this forum ever said, that these two were fascists. They are both full of respected intentions. Problem is something else, perhaps tis is something a bit too difficult for you to understand.

It's a trivial horizon effect in our thoughts, seldom we do thinks things through to their potential ends. Sometimes the outlook seems fsavorable for our goals, so we wont correct our activities. Only if we can see negative ends for ourself, then we change something.

But there is another aspect. I for one knew right from the beginning in 2006 that the evil message of Theron could onlx been wrong. Not because Vas is an angel but because Theron with 100% had no proof for his theory. So that was pure hatred and envy. And that is something that should not be tolerated. If someone had doubts he should call for a survey at the right place and that is the ICGA. But that wasnt done. Instead we had the unethical scapegoating over 6 years. That that is wrong and unallowed is something a kid could already understand.

Nozr well that Bob Hyatt was alwayxs present. More, since he had his very private frustration to work through because allegedly Vas had been unthankful to Bob when he went commercial, Bob led the campaign of hate. Without any evidence at all.

Even now he has no evidence in a legal sense.

Let me explain.

I give you an example in history. We in Europe have a murder case among royalties. You can find the details in google if you search for Kaspar Hauser. When he was young he was kept in hidden cellars of water castles, but they didnt do more than feed him with bread and water. He was kept in a space that didnt allow that he stood straight, he had no docil contacts. The warden entered his room only when he was asleep. The whole thing happened because he had been announce dead as a baby because he stood against the egotist intentions of a specific family who wanted getting into power themselves. When he was 18 they sat him free. He hadnt seen the light except some minor shadows. He was a medical singularity. For years teachers and doctors analysed him and he developped astonishing talents. Even his mother came secretely to watch him, she fell into sleep in a shock. So theories appeared that he were the alleged dead heir of the throne in Baden in the Southwest of Germany. The history continues that because all this could have come out, an English spy, a Lord, stabbed him with a knife. A deadly wound at the time 200 years ago.

Chapter two: His cloths, also underwear with the holes and the blood are kept in a museum at Ansbach, his site of death. So, investigations were done with DNA traces. I leave out all the details because for our case it is only important that

-- you must know if the blood is from this person and not from an animal

-- you must have identity of at least one further person who is a relative

The royalties didnt cooperate. Until now it couldnt been proven but it couldndt also been refutated that he was the Prince of Baden.

Let me now compare this to our case with Vas and the ICG and King Bob.

The DNA of a cheating the rules is partially proven but to understand how the rules are respected we must know if other commercial competitors do respect them. Here the others are not cooperative and more, the investigators are not interested.

What did they research at all? Had they alien animal blood progs? The code unethical Olivier Deville gave then, was he  a serious entity or just experimental. It wasnt defined to be distributed. Nor meant for championships. The CCT, Paderborn, Leiden, Chesswars, all this are fun but no championships. All this is relevant for a legal issue. Meaning here we dont have valid evidence as a principle. So it is all about character assassination in public. That is very expensive as a hobby, folks.

So, what we have is really looking unpleasent. We have something at the surface and we have prejudices. And we have egomnical people who all think that only they had the mastership to define the truth. That is a delusion.

I guess it goes back to the best that can be stated in a court of law: 14 out of 34, or 41%, thought he was guilty.  Much as many people might like to say otherwise, this is the only number that one can state with high confidence.

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> Fred is a big boy am sue if he has a problem he will mention it. Mark Lefler was staying with Fred in hamburg recently as far as I know it was not discussed.

Nobody suggested that Fred has a problem with it.  It doesn't matter what he discussed or not with your colleague.   He DID NOT know that he was part of your panel.   Anyways, we are going in a circle, so that's all I have to say about it.   Thanks.