I am searching for a mainboard for an for an Intel 2600K with Onboard Graphics and USB 3.0 ports. Overclocking should be possible. Is there anyone, who can give me an advice?
H67 and the others on the other side doesn't support serious overclocking. Z68 to come will support both.
I would go with a P67-Board an buy a ~30€ graphic card... Alex
what about consumption of energy? Is this system using much more energy?
. As often you should fill cooling system - nitrogen by operation of the computer of 12-16 hours a day at 100 % to loading overclocked processor. Yours faithfully Nikolay.
This new system would be for my wife and would primarily be used for Photoshop editing with these general specifications: Windows 7; 6-core; at least 12 GB of fast RAM; and 2 HDs, of which one would be SSD. The system would not be water cooled.
If I did any O/C, it would be a small and safe O/C (10-25%) vs. the successful 50% O/C on my current chess system (Antec Swiftech case, Asus P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 MB, Intel Core i7-930 2.8 Ghz, Kingston HyperX 12 GB DDR3 1600 RAM, Intel X25-M Mainstream SSD 160 GB SATA II)
I would prefer a system from a mainstream vendor for the warranty, but Dell's reviews have been negative on delivery, price, and warranty issues. I would look at Dell's Alienware or Asusl.
I'm open to having the system built for me. Thanks in advance to all the experts.
Has Phil been on the board recently?
Dell is always a safe bet!
I just got an email from Phil Harris recommending the following system on eBay.
The Intel processor is about $1000 on New Egg.
How can AMD offer a much better processor for 1/3 the price?
Also, I would appreciate the appraisal of both of you of the above eBay system, aside from your advice to wait for the new AMD 8-core.
If you need something ASAP just go with a decent Sandy Bridge CPU & M/B that allows overclocking and read up on a guide about how to do it. But personally I'd wait for AMD to show their hand.
Thanks for the advice. I'll wait a month and then see what you and The Hug think of Bulldozer as the basis for my new system. But the rumored price for the chip at $325 seems incredibly cheap for an 8-core, doesn't it?
> But the rumored price for the chip at $325 seems incredibly cheap for an 8-core, doesn't it?
Well, yes, but bear in mind AMD's 8 core is not a true 8 core by Intel's standards - some of the resources are shared in Bulldozer making it perform (if the leaked benchmarks are true) like a 5 core intel system.
But yes - AMD are better value for money than Intel, typically. Intel are usually faster though. (At the moment Intel's 6 core processor is much more expensive and much faster than AMD's Phenom II 6 core)
Does anyone have experience with overclocking this CPU?
Is watercooling necessary when OCing as is claimed in some fora?
Any advice on good coolers?
Last but not least the recently released i7 980 has pretty comparable speed benchmarks at half the price. Is this true?
PS Uly, you may change the heading of this thread. It's 2011 now ;-)
> PS Uly, you may change the heading of this thread. It's 2011 now ;-)
He's no longer a mod anymore but I will. :)
> I am considering upgrade to i7 980X
Why not wait for Sandy Bridge E? Same 6 cores/12 threads with the modern architecture of Sandy Bridge.
I am waiting to build a new system based on Werewolf's comment here: "At the moment I'd wait just another month (9/17/11) to see what Bulldozer will look like. Depends on how much you want to spend."
What do you see as the pros and cons of Bulldozer vs. Sandy Bridge E (cost, speed, and how soon)?
The problem is bulldozer seems to be a metaphysical mystery right now. It was supposed to be launched next week or at least somewhere in September but it has been delayed yet again to October. So it is anyway guess how it will do.
I read that you want a pc for doing photoshoping and similar tasks. Maybe the 2600k is enough for your needs. But if you want more cores (6/12 in this case vs 4/8 in the 2600) then wait for Sandy-Bridge E. It is the sandy bridge architecture but with 6/12 same as Nehalems like 990x or 980.
Thanks for the very useful post. The Intel 2600K looks just fine for my wife's new Photoshop system. (I will come back here in 4/12 for a recommendation for a new O/C chess system for me.)
I see that the 2600K has has 4 cores/8 threads. What do the 8 threads mean in practice?
Is it a good idea to use all 8 threads by default for chess or for Photoshop editing?
I am sold on your chip recommendation. What other elements of the system would you, Werewolf and the other experts recommend to go with this system that I will have locally built:
case; MB; RAM; video card; HD; CD/DVD, PS, etc?
I want very large RAM (16-20 GB, assuming Windows 7/Photoshop can use the RAM).
Also need 2 HDs: primary HD will be SSD.
I will go with the stock speed of 3.4 GHz, so I assume that no cooling is then necessary.
> What do the 8 threads mean in practice?
That you could do more things with your computer at the same time, or finish your workloads earlier.
> Is it a good idea to use all 8 threads by default for chess
> Photoshop editing
In this theme I am ignorant I suppose it will help.
Here you have various choices the main boards will be P67 or Z68. From there you could find any of the top vendors Asus, Gygabite, Msi or even Asrock. The difference between is Z68 is a more redifined model using more features of the Sandy Bridge arthitecture. It could use the integrated video from the CPU, SSD caching, Virtu. But as you wanted for photoshop a graphic card is needed, maybe 2 in SLI or Crossfire configuration for more powerful graphics.
This is correlated to the motherboard you choose. Gskill, Corsair any of the major brands should be ok.
Here you need to ask how much capacity you want, did you want it for just OS and more important programs, or you want all your programs to run in it?
This will be for backup or you will install other programs in it? maybe a 2tb disk from any of the major vendor, Western Digital, Samsung, Seagate. Or maybe 2 1tb in raid configuration.
These chips are so easily overclockable that just a minor change in bios/uefi will give 4+ Ghz.
Thank you for the very useful post.
"Here you have various choices the main boards will be P67 or Z68. From there you could find any of the top vendors Asus, Gygabite, Msi or even Asrock. The difference between is Z68 is a more redifined model using more features of the Sandy Bridge arthitecture."
So you are saying that with the Intel 2600K I have a choice of the type of MB to use: Z68 or P67 compatible?
> So you are saying that with the Intel 2600K I have a choice of the type of MB to use: Z68 or P67 compatible
That is correct any motherboard within the family P67 or z68 is compatible with the 2600.
I overclocked it to 3.9 Ghz with no problems, upgraded the cooling (to a Zalman CPNS10X quiet) and then upped the clock rate some more. I have had it stable at for long periods at 4.3 Ghz and 4.6 Ghz running chess engines flat out. The memory is barely overclocked.
I just have one problem at the higher speeds of 4.3 and 4.6 Ghz - if I put it to sleep using the Sleep facility in Windows it will not restart properly. (In fact to get it to restart at all I have to disconnect the power, reboot, then Windows does restart OK but needs rebooting again to get full clock speed). Sleep and restart was working fine at 3.9 Ghz.
Has anyone come across this problem before? And any ideas on how to solve it? I have upped the core and PLL voltages a little to no effect, though in truth I have more headroom there I could try.
However, Intel is changing the scenery a little too fast for my liking casting yet another socket to contend with for their 6 Core (i7-3960X) which pisses me off. I have absolutely no funds to through into every Intel whim that comes down the pike- now almost yearly.
I can see them coming up with yet another socket for an 8 core cpu next year.
The other end of the spectrum-
Judging from the reviews from customers re: mobo's ( asus et al) - a great many are ending up in RMA. China, or wherever, these components are being manufactured -don't seem to have the skilled labor to do the job correctly, or decent quality control- it becomes hit and miss, and I'm talking about premium mobo's. When you put about $350 or more into a mobo, you'd expect a quality return on the product. When you see 300 reviews half flat out one star and half 5 stars on newegg you know things aren't going well in the industry.
It is turning into a class A joke.
AMD- I don't trust their core quality!
I am confident I will be able to stick an Ivy Bridge in next year in place of my i5-2500K. But I am not confident Intel will make it worth my while - not enough competition from AMD :(
You should also download and run Prime95 for at least 3 -to 6 hours or longer to make sure your setting are stable.
>You should also download and run Prime95 for at least 3 -to 6 hours or longer to make sure your setting are stable.
If you really want to stress your computer to test stability then go for http://www.xgamingstudio.com/files/IntelBurnTest.zip
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