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I remember vas saying in an interview, that the autor of chess helped the development of computer chess a lot by opening the sources. And he said that one day he wants to do the same (or something like that). Does someone remember that interview?
Now that Critter 1.2 and Kommodo and Stockfish are all very very close to rybka (or even surpassed rybka) , i guess it could be a good opportunity to open the source code.
Now that Critter 1.2 and Kommodo and Stockfish are all very very close to rybka (or even surpassed rybka) , i guess it could be a good opportunity to open the source code.
He once said on the forum that he would release his source code after he retired. Maybe he said the same thing in interviews. He's not at that point yet, though.
The open-source and free chess engines are already as good as rybka or better, vas (rybka) is banned for life from computer chess competitions. His image is destroyed. I think now it's the moment for him to move to something else.
The open-source and free chess engines are already as good as rybka or better
Not true. The Rybka cluster crushes Houdini on the fastest supported hardware. Cloud Rybka should be out soon, and should do the same on more affordable terms.
vas (rybka) is banned for life from computer chess competitions
Not that important, as long as people know who the big dog is.
His image is destroyed.
Nah, the overwhelming majority of chess playing people have never heard of the ICGA.
I think now it's the moment for him to move to something else.
He gets to make that call, and after that, he gets to decide if he wants to release his code or not.
Not true. The Rybka cluster crushes Houdini on the fastest supported hardware. Cloud Rybka should be out soon, and should do the same on more affordable terms.
vas (rybka) is banned for life from computer chess competitions
Not that important, as long as people know who the big dog is.
His image is destroyed.
Nah, the overwhelming majority of chess playing people have never heard of the ICGA.
I think now it's the moment for him to move to something else.
He gets to make that call, and after that, he gets to decide if he wants to release his code or not.
Rybka-Cluster?
A cluster costs a lot of money too, and you have always to update the hardware. Once you dont have "titles" and promotion, it's not that easy to get a lot of customers. In addition imagine Houdini 2.0 is going to come out soon. If somebody is going to build a houdini-cluster, then vas has again no chance. Vas has already a very bad image, and some "russians" (the cloners) hate him, and I can imagine that they could easy stop his cluster from working (DDOS, flood, and so on).
I dont see necessary a success with the cluster. It could be, I dont know, but I think it has also has very good chances to fail.
A cluster costs a lot of money too, and you have always to update the hardware. Once you dont have "titles" and promotion, it's not that easy to get a lot of customers. In addition imagine Houdini 2.0 is going to come out soon. If somebody is going to build a houdini-cluster, then vas has again no chance. Vas has already a very bad image, and some "russians" (the cloners) hate him, and I can imagine that they could easy stop his cluster from working (DDOS, flood, and so on).
I dont see necessary a success with the cluster. It could be, I dont know, but I think it has also has very good chances to fail.
LoL
the Rybka cluster, it's a machine with perfect features for the playing style of rybka.Rybka on cluster vs Houdini on merchantable hardware is like goliath squeezing david.It's a unfair fight.The cluster with 40+ cores have a more/deeper/faster calculating processes than Houdini only at a fast hardware.It will never be the same...
Btw look how Rybka was punished (at same hardware/book/time) from Houdi.
And look how Critter is kicking rybkas ass at the moment...
Really bad comparison, not more....
the Rybka cluster, it's a machine with perfect features for the playing style of rybka.Rybka on cluster vs Houdini on merchantable hardware is like goliath squeezing david.It's a unfair fight.The cluster with 40+ cores have a more/deeper/faster calculating processes than Houdini only at a fast hardware.It will never be the same...Btw look how Rybka was punished (at same hardware/book/time) from Houdi.
And look how Critter is kicking rybkas ass at the moment...
Really bad comparison, not more....
vas (rybka) is banned for life from computer chess competitions
No. Only ICGA. Not any other new, future organizations
No. Only ICGA. Not any other new, future organizations
> No. Only ICGA. Not any other new, future organizations
This would like a soccer player would say:
I'm banned from FIFA but not from other future organizations.
Or? Who knows perhaps Vas could do, what Kasparov did with FIDE, and creat his own organization :)
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As I've said many times, how can you compete with commercial chess engines when essentially 4 of the top 5 engines are free? The cluster is a non-issue since very, very, very few would ever rent it since it is so expensive.
It would be better to spend that money towards better hardware.
It would be better to spend that money towards better hardware.
People always buy weaker engines for analysis, style, variety, loyalty, hobby, etc.
> As I've said many times, how can you compete with commercial chess engines when essentially 4 of the top 5 engines are free?
People are interested in more than just the top engines. Shredder and Hiarcs are very good examples. Neither has been a top engine for quite some time and yet I assume they still attract a little coin. Then again, maybe that's why Team Hiarcs was so instrumental in the Rybka hit job. If you can't develop your way to the top of the crosstable, ban your way there instead.
Moz, I agree with you there. At our chess club (these are primarily OTB players) Fritz and Shredder are the more popular engines. Also, where I work (these are college students) again Fritz and Shredder are the most popular engines.
What I was pointing out was that one of Rybka's main selling points was being the #1 engine in strength on the different chess engine sites. That hasn't been the case in a while. It's very far behind Houdini and I have very strong doubts that if there is a Rybka 5 that it will pass said engine in eli strength. Then, of course, there are the other 3 engines that are essentially at par with Rybka and gaining in strength every month, unlike Rybka.
What I was pointing out was that one of Rybka's main selling points was being the #1 engine in strength on the different chess engine sites. That hasn't been the case in a while. It's very far behind Houdini and I have very strong doubts that if there is a Rybka 5 that it will pass said engine in eli strength. Then, of course, there are the other 3 engines that are essentially at par with Rybka and gaining in strength every month, unlike Rybka.
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Most people in my chess club haven't even heard of any program except Fritz.
Right Werewolf. Fritz is by far the most popular engine. A big reason is Wal-mart and Best Buy carry it. It's what the masses buy. Fritz has also played some high profile games against world chess champions. Chessmaster is also very popular.
> Most people in my chess club haven't even heard of any program except Fritz.
Chessmaster is another one that's fairly well known. In my view, it's a very good program for learning and sparring. It's especially nice for kids since there are so many great tutorials. The Waitzkin material is also outstanding. In my neck of the woods, Chessmaster and Fritz are the only two chess programs I've seen with retail shelf space and that's huge. I suspect the sales numbers for CM and Fritz dwarf the numbers for any individual UCI chess engine.
In England, at least, Chessmaster is no longer for sale - I haven't seen it on the shelves for a couple of years. But, yes, when a new version comes out it sells well
cipri, i'm sure he'll take your well-meaning concern under consideration.
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Ronaldo
Remember Vas? Nope, I haven't heard from him in such a long time I have forgotten the style and content he used to bring to this forum. Perhaps one day he will return and bring with him news of R5?
> Remember Vas? Nope, I haven't heard from him in such a long time I have forgotten the style and content he used to bring to this forum. Perhaps one day he will return and bring with him news of R5?
I liked the way he used to reply to posts in the early days. He used to take time and answer questions properly and he saw issues very clearly. After hearing him explain something I used to always think: 'of course, how simple'. The Forum these days is more of a shouting match.
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