Dear Friends,...
I don't have playchess subscription etc.
I only have internet access...
So,
Where can I get all freestyle chess games...?
The one who will give the correct answer,
...Will surely live more than 100 years!!!
regards,
Priyanvada
I don't have playchess subscription etc.
I only have internet access...
So,
Where can I get all freestyle chess games...?
The one who will give the correct answer,
...Will surely live more than 100 years!!!
regards,
Priyanvada
I'm pretty sure you'll find them by searching this forum.
You should be able to find the games or links here http://www.freestylechess.com
Really thanks,
but i don't find ALL the games played???
There are only games of final knockout most of the times...
Where can I get total database of freestyle?
warm regards,
priyanvada
but i don't find ALL the games played???
There are only games of final knockout most of the times...
Where can I get total database of freestyle?
warm regards,
priyanvada
all games should be on this link http://www.freewebs.com/freestyle-chess/downloads.htm this should show download for the last Freestyle tournament which was the 7th and also there should be a link for tournaments 1-6
I looked through the PGN and it has some really interesting games. I'm a bit surprised by some of the opening choices though. For example, why did almost everyone play 9. Nd2 or 9. Ne1 against the KID instead of 9. b4? Why so few Ba6 QIDs?
I think that the Ba6 QID may be a forced win for white--at the very least, at the highest levels, black doesn't seem to have any winning chances here and is left struggling for a draw.
I usually don't even respond to such drivel. No offense, but you haven't the faintest idea about what you're saying. As Kasparov remarked, virtually all normal openings are a draw with best play. To claim that the QID, one of the most logical defenses, is a forced win for White shows incredible ignorance of Black's possibilities and chess's complexity. The Bb7 QID is indeed fairly drawish and White enjoys a slight edge in most lines, but the Ba6 QID gives rise to a multitude of complex structures and Black can play for a win even at the highest levels. In the most drawish line of all with 9. Nbd2, Black can choose between an equal endgame with dxe4 or a more complex struggle with dxc4. But of course, playing Ba6-b3-Bb7-Bb4-bd2-a5 is not out of the question and leaves Black with an interesting middle game struggle. Playing Bb4 after b6 is also a decent choice. Please provide some variations to back up your wild claims.
> I usually don't even respond to such drivel. No offense, but you haven't the faintest idea about what you're saying.
This part of the post wasn't needed, and looks unprofessional. Attack the argument, not the person.
I know that I'm off-topic here, but I couldn't let this slide, I want to be on a peaceful forum, so I get annoyed when such things get posted, even if they're not directed at me.
Saying someone is ill-informed and explaining why is not a personal attack. If I said something like: "I obviously can't take you seriously because you're always drunk/have funny hair/eat cats for breakfast etc." would be a personal attack. My post did not focus on his person, but his words. Honestly though, to claim that the modern QID is or may be a forced win for White is just ridiculous. It brings me back to the days when 1300 players claimed to have refuted the Dragon or KID.
I never claimed that the QID is a forced white win--I instead claimed that the ...Ba6 variation might be a forced white win. I am quite serious in saying that I would feel more comfortable playing the King's Gambit with white than the ...Ba6 QID with black in centaur play. The patterns that I have seen have been quite clear: someone finds a line in the opening that looks like it gives black chances, usually in a human tournament, and black might even win due to the far larger instance of mistakes that happens at the 2700 level, then people take it up for a little while, white starts to win most of the games, and then I see it in the engine room with white consistently winning, look at the lines myself, and find nothing apparently better for black. Obviously I'm not going to provide evidence, or else I'd be giving away much of my analysis; you can, of course, believe whatever you like (and so much the better for me! :-) ). I certainly haven't found that all lines are forced wins, but in all of the lines I've studied as far as I can recall, black is left struggling for a draw. I would never dream of playing 4...Ba6 in centaur play, and that is a "red" line in my opening book; for that matter, I stay out of the QID altogether, though I imagine that black has plenty of chances with 4...Bb7 (which is a green line), though these lines tend to be drawish. The question is what you consider a "normal" opening. Certain variations of the Poisoned Pawn Sicilian were thought to be "normal" openings, with good, fighting play for both sides, but many of us have found that unless black plays extremely precisely, white has a won game--and after a certain point, if black hasn't played certain critical moves that aren't necessarily obvious, white automatically has a won game. Now black tends to avoid those lines by playing ...g5. Ironically, I feel quite comfortable playing on both sides of the QID over-the-board, and I usually play the ...Ba6 variation with black. However, when we're playing at about 2000 level, the fact that the variations might be lost doesn't bother me one bit, and as a human, I feel more comfortable playing this with black than the King's Gambit with white.
Even to say it might be a forced win is pretty naive. Do you really think you know best play from Black? You should never make such claims unless you are willing to put up evidence. Taking the easy way out won't cut it. At least give the general variation that concerns you. I've done my own analysis with engines as well as databases and I am confident that the Ba6 QID (which I prefer to the Bb7 because I think it gives Black better chances) is a draw with best play. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind about this. The Ba6 QID is fairly positional and extremely diverse so I don't think it can suffer from a knockout blow that suddenly gives White a forced win and I don't think White can accumulate small advantages that add up so much that it can be a forced win. Remember that even having an extra pawn or two in a rook and pawn endgame does not guarantee White a win. Quite unsound openings like the Latvian gambit may actually not be a forced win with best play because an advantage is not usually enough to win outright.
I think the Latvian Gambit is probably a white forced win (I would say perhaps 70-80% probability), even though white ends up with less immediate material compared with, say, rook-and-pawn endings (endings that I try to avoid when possible unless the way to win is straightforward). I know that the vast majority of openings are draws with best play--I'm quite knowledgeable about what experts have said on this, as well as what I've found in analysis (you seem to be assuming otherwise--perhaps to you, statements made with additional knowledge that lead to conclusions contrary to popular evidence are "pretty naive"). In spite of this, I am not comfortable playing the ...Ba6 as black in centaur play--with good play by both sides, black tends to be left with nothing, and all of the chances lie with white, and white tends to have different choices on how to make black suffer, whether it be through a central push and attack or a queenside constriction. I would certainly guess that with perfect play, it's probably a draw, at least starting from the position after 4...Ba6 (thus, the statement with which I actually work regarding this is that the ...Ba6 QID is "basically unplayable" for black at the highest current levels)--but I think that most variations that people play are not perfect play, particularly for black, and that most of what we see in human tournaments should probably be a forced win for white at some point by move 20. I would guess that Topalov becomes very happy whenever his opponent plays ...Ba6?! (yes, "?!", in spite of the fact that I play it myself OTB).
I doubt you have any decisive additional knowledge on the Ba6 QID as I've studied it pretty deeply but you're welcome to prove me wrong with concrete variations rather than vague observations. To speculate that such a logical, positional, solid opening played by many of the greatest players and with so many forks at each move might be a forced win for White is a statement that I can usually discount without further evaluation (especially given that chess is still nowhere near being solved or best play). Claiming that White has an advantage or Black has difficulty in playing for a win is very different from saying that Black may be hopelessly lost with best play. You have made a wild claim and the burden of proof is on you but I am open minded enough to pay attention if you provide evidence of at least the variation you think is most troubling for Black. My analysis only suggests that if White plays without much ambition by reducing imbalances with a counterfianchetto, Black is slightly worse yet perfectly fine and still capable of generating winning chances at any level with Ba6, Bb4+ and to a lesser extent Bb7.
I'm afraid that I'll simply have to let you off with a "win" here, since the analysis isn't in my head, and while on my hard drive, I have forgotten the critical lines (and wouldn't be willing to mention them anyway)--neither centaurs nor computers play it anymore (the strong computers all seem to have this "red" in their opening books), so I have had little recent memory refresh. I can only say that I maintain my position, and the fact that practically nobody above 2800 (i.e. the computers and centaurs) plays it is not only what refined the belief in my mind over the past year, but is also what prompted my statement here. As for now, with my computer doing testing and such, I'll have to leave the argument open for awhile; perhaps in a couple of months or so we can play a sort of correspondence game in which it will be my duty to try to win with white (thus only going forth with one critical line) and yours to try to hold the draw with black. I'm sure that black playing perfectly will be able to do this, but I think that black is "basically lost" in this opening at around the 3000-3100 elo level.
I still agree that the opening is, from the human perspective, even at the highest levels, extremely logical, positional, and solid. However, at even higher levels, if anyone can win, it's white, and I think that if white plays at around 2900 level and higher, black cannot win at all in the main lines; a higher level is probably required for this in the sidelines. However, I'm sure that the situation doesn't work in reverse: e.g. I think that a 3100 player vs. a 3100 player will win for white a high percentage of the time in these lines.
I still agree that the opening is, from the human perspective, even at the highest levels, extremely logical, positional, and solid. However, at even higher levels, if anyone can win, it's white, and I think that if white plays at around 2900 level and higher, black cannot win at all in the main lines; a higher level is probably required for this in the sidelines. However, I'm sure that the situation doesn't work in reverse: e.g. I think that a 3100 player vs. a 3100 player will win for white a high percentage of the time in these lines.
Well, I still strongly disagree but I will take you up on that correspondence game (yet I only have a laptop). I am curious though, what do you play at the 3100 level as Black against d4 or e4? I hope you won't be telling me that the Najdorf and Semi-Slav might be forced wins for White too. ;p
It won't be a hardware slugfest, that's for sure--I have only a 1 CPU Athlon. As black, I usually play the Semi-Slav or ordinary Slav and Closed Ruy; I'm not yet confident enough to play the Marshall, as I've found some especially dangerous sidelines for white in some well-known variations, and I haven't found a way yet for black to equalize these. Anyway, I've realized it would be better for me to start it sooner than later, as I'll be quite busy starting around February or so--so perhaps in a few days or so if you also have time then. I'm certainly not afraid to be proven wrong, especially if the result is a good correspondence game.
I am really curious to see this game and would really like it if u could let us know when and what your playchess Id's are !?
I imagine it will just be over private messaging on the forum; we can post it afterward, though.
U are taking all the fun out of it . It would be interesting to see u two duke it out on the server! Maybe even set up team members .....
I don't have a Playchess account and my ICC account expired recently. It would be great if we could play on Redhotpawn but it doesn't allow any engine use at all and I doubt Gameknot does either. It will probably be through PMs. However, I currently don't have my laptop with me and so it will have to start next week or later. I also don't have Rybka on my laptop (Macbook), only HIARCS 11.2. I also don't feel like installing Windows (VMware/Parallels/Boot Camp) or using emulation (CrossOver) so I will probably just use HIARCS for analysis.
> I also don't have Rybka on my laptop (Macbook), only HIARCS 11.2. I also don't feel like installing Windows (VMware/Parallels/Boot Camp) or using emulation (CrossOver) so I will probably just use HIARCS for analysis.
Microwine.
From the changelog:
* Mac OS X port. This was surprisingly easy as soon as the OS X linker
(including Apple's not-entirely-standard implementation of the amd64 ABI)
and assembler were defeated. There is no huge page support; apart from
that, the port should be full-featured. Thanks go out to Rune Holm for
borrowing an account on an development machine, and helping out with some
of the Mac-specific problems.
We have started the game. The moves thus far have been as follows, and this has been played something like 6,000 times before:
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.g3 Ba6 5.b3 Bb4+ 6.Bd2 Be7 7.Bg2 c6 8.0-0 d5 9.Bc3 0-0 10.Nbd2 Nbd7 11.Re1
This is, of course, a completely winning position for white :-D
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.g3 Ba6 5.b3 Bb4+ 6.Bd2 Be7 7.Bg2 c6 8.0-0 d5 9.Bc3 0-0 10.Nbd2 Nbd7 11.Re1
This is, of course, a completely winning position for white :-D
What is the time control u guy's are playing with?
There is no formal time control, but so far we have moved every day at least once. I'd like to keep the pace at no slower than a move per week although even that time control seems too long (the game could even last a year!).
Anyway, there's a separate thread for discusion about the game here. This one had a different subject and it's already crowded enough.
Anyway, there's a separate thread for discusion about the game here. This one had a different subject and it's already crowded enough.
Whats your average rating at playchess with 1CPU Athlon? And how much GHz and RAM does it have?
Typically around 2500-2550 is my average range for engine games; it's been awhile, though, and I imagine it would be lower now that everyone there is using quads and such. It is 2.2 GHz and has 2 GB of 400 MHz RAM, though I rarely use more than 256 MB for actual playing.
Sorry dude, I don't want to live over 100 years. I even think that everyday i spent will be my last.
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