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- By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-02 18:52
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. d4 g4 6. Bxf4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Bb5+ c6 9. Bc4 Qh4+ 10. g3 Bg4 11. Qf2 Qh5 12. h3 Ne7 13. Bxd6 Be6 14. g4 Qg5 15. Be2 Nd7 16. Rd1 Nb6 17. O-O Nc4 18. Bf4 Qg6 19. Bc1 Nb6 20. d5

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- - By Moz (****) Date 2011-03-02 22:13
How are you guys feeling about the game at this point? Looks unclear to my eyes but an exciting KG game nonetheless.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-02 23:19
It is costing me a lot to play this game, currently I have a 0.30 advantage on the radar but as time advances I really doubt it's enough to push it.

There are some tricky variations where tomski could lose the game on the spot, but that's about it. What I've found amazing is that with just this game together with our Halloween challenge I've been as busy as when I had 8 games going on :smile:, lot's of fun but I'm really starting to doubt if playing into these complexities makes sense.
Parent - By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-03 04:34

> There are some tricky variations where tomski could lose the game on the spot


:confused: i'm nervous :fat:

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. d4 g4 6. Bxf4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Bb5+ c6 9. Bc4 Qh4+ 10. g3 Bg4 11. Qf2 Qh5 12. h3 Ne7 13. Bxd6 Be6 14. g4 Qg5 15. Be2 Nd7 16. Rd1 Nb6 17. O-O Nc4 18. Bf4 Qg6 19. Bc1 Nb6 20. d5 Bd7

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Parent - - By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-03 04:04
i felt good, up until i made a move Uly didn't expect, and i quickly saw why... i no longer had any advantage. I'm seeing all draws now, but nothing near 0.30 that Uly is. He has a strong position, and there may be no way to hold onto my extra piece... time will tell
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-03 04:20

> but nothing near 0.30 that Uly is.


Oh, I haven't refuted all the variations so it would likely end up much closer to 0.00, but if I refuted all variations I wouldn't know what to play if many moves ended tied. The way I'm doing it avoids self-refutation and plays the most promising variation, but as Moz may demonstrate in the Halloween challenge game, this may be a terrible strategy similar to OTB "hope chess" (e.g. I'd hope there's no variation that refutes everything, that you'd play).
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-03 20:03
Oh yes, just had a fail low to 0.22, but still loving my position.



(If I can't beat you on the board, at least I'll beat you psychologically :grin: )

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. d4 g4 6. Bxf4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Bb5+ c6 9. Bc4 Qh4+ 10. g3 Bg4 11. Qf2 Qh5 12. h3 Ne7 13. Bxd6 Be6 14. g4 Qg5 15. Be2 Nd7 16. Rd1 Nb6 17. O-O Nc4 18. Bf4 Qg6 19. Bc1 Nb6 20. d5 Bd7 21. d6

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Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-03-03 20:05
I won't lie to you. I wouldn't even have to look at my GUI to know what engine you used here :smile:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-03 20:11
It was Rybka 3 Dynamic. Actually, that 0.22 is probably a position that is lost for black, but the way I work here, it's the score that is propagated to the root.
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-03-03 20:13

> Rybka 3 Dynamic


:smile: I get a cookie.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-03 20:14
:smile:
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-03-03 20:18
Can I get bonus points for getting the right comept? :smile:

P.S. I can PM that asnwer as I don't want to give away everything you are doing.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-03 21:03
I'm using contempt 0. That means the 0.22 is real :wink:
Parent - By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-04 02:23
i'm seeing more negative scores than positive.. but i'm starting to suspect it's a draw..(not convinced yet, though)
Parent - - By Moz (****) Date 2011-03-14 20:10
Shit that's a scary set of scores! When I see data like that I fear the engine is clueless...
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-14 23:08
Yes, unfortunately tomski1981 avoided it, those crazy lines were for 22...Bxg4!?, the move I probably would have played as black.
Parent - - By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-15 00:20
unfotunately for who? me or u ? :smile:
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-15 00:27
For the stronger player! :lol: I think it led to a decided game, positions polarized to either side, I may have lost trying to win. But I can't blame you for choosing a line that killed my winning chances :smile:
- By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-04 02:22
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. d4 g4 6. Bxf4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Bb5+ c6 9. Bc4 Qh4+ 10. g3 Bg4 11. Qf2 Qh5 12. h3 Ne7 13. Bxd6 Be6 14. g4 Qg5 15. Be2 Nd7 16. Rd1 Nb6 17. O-O Nc4 18. Bf4 Qg6 19. Bc1 Nb6 20. d5 Bd7 21. d6 Nec8

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- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-04 19:56
And now, crossroads. I think this move by black is critical, I'm not sure what would I play!

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. d4 g4 6. Bxf4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Bb5+ c6 9. Bc4 Qh4+ 10. g3 Bg4 11. Qf2 Qh5 12. h3 Ne7 13. Bxd6 Be6 14. g4 Qg5 15. Be2 Nd7 16. Rd1 Nb6 17. O-O Nc4 18. Bf4 Qg6 19. Bc1 Nb6 20. d5 Bd7 21. d6 Nec8 22. Bd3

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Parent - By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-04 23:17
at least one engine isn't sure... but haven't check others yet
- - By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-05 22:19
okay, here i go.... i think i have the best shot with this move.....

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. d4 g4 6. Bxf4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Bb5+ c6 9. Bc4 Qh4+ 10. g3 Bg4 11. Qf2 Qh5 12. h3 Ne7 13. Bxd6 Be6 14. g4 Qg5 15. Be2 Nd7 16. Rd1 Nb6 17. O-O Nc4 18. Bf4 Qg6 19. Bc1 Nb6 20. d5 Bd7 21. d6 Nec8 22. Bd3 Be5

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-05 22:27
:evil:

I'm back to 0.15, but I've refuted all variations for 22...Be5, so this time, I do have a small edge, now let's see if I can do something with it. Ponder hit!

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. d4 g4 6. Bxf4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Bb5+ c6 9. Bc4 Qh4+ 10. g3 Bg4 11. Qf2 Qh5 12. h3 Ne7 13. Bxd6 Be6 14. g4 Qg5 15. Be2 Nd7 16. Rd1 Nb6 17. O-O Nc4 18. Bf4 Qg6 19. Bc1 Nb6 20. d5 Bd7 21. d6 Nec8 22. Bd3 Be5 23. Bf4

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Parent - By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-05 22:46

> I'm back to 0.15, but I've refuted all variations for 22...Be5, so this time, I do have a small edge, now let's see if I can do something with it. Ponder hit!


i'm refusing to give back material!! :twisted::twisted::twisted:
Parent - By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-05 22:48

> so this time, I do have a small edge,


what's really funny is that i'm also playing thinking I have the small edge!
- By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-05 22:49
Ponder hit! :cool: :evil: :twisted:

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. d4 g4 6. Bxf4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Bb5+ c6 9. Bc4 Qh4+ 10. g3 Bg4 11. Qf2 Qh5 12. h3 Ne7 13. Bxd6 Be6 14. g4 Qg5 15. Be2 Nd7 16. Rd1 Nb6 17. O-O Nc4 18. Bf4 Qg6 19. Bc1 Nb6 20. d5 Bd7 21. d6 Nec8 22. Bd3 Be5 23. Bf4 f6

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- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-07 21:45
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. d4 g4 6. Bxf4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Bb5+ c6 9. Bc4 Qh4+ 10. g3 Bg4 11. Qf2 Qh5 12. h3 Ne7 13. Bxd6 Be6 14. g4 Qg5 15. Be2 Nd7 16. Rd1 Nb6 17. O-O Nc4 18. Bf4 Qg6 19. Bc1 Nb6 20. d5 Bd7 21. d6 Nec8 22. Bd3 Be5 23. Bf4 f6 24. Qg3

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Parent - - By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-08 01:38
okay, i must admit that you surprised me with this move.... no ponder hit here.

but i'm as shocked that you are seeing + scores...hmmmm
i probably walked into a trap, or i'm about to... which makes me a tad nervous....
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-08 02:54
Nah, the "trap" is very deep, you'll probably won't play what I think you'll play, anyway...
Parent - By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-08 04:00
i'll be a little cautious.. you have a killer rep in corr play...
Parent - By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-08 04:24
i see a possible two protected passed pawns in white's future.......

hmmm...
- By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-08 01:45
here it goes....

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. d4 g4 6. Bxf4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Bb5+ c6 9. Bc4 Qh4+ 10. g3 Bg4 11. Qf2 Qh5 12. h3 Ne7 13. Bxd6 Be6 14. g4 Qg5 15. Be2 Nd7 16. Rd1 Nb6 17. O-O Nc4 18. Bf4 Qg6 19. Bc1 Nb6 20. d5 Bd7 21. d6 Nec8 22. Bd3 Be5 23. Bf4 f6 24. Qg3 Qg7

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- By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-08 23:47
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. d4 g4 6. Bxf4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Bb5+ c6 9. Bc4 Qh4+ 10. g3 Bg4 11. Qf2 Qh5 12. h3 Ne7 13. Bxd6 Be6 14. g4 Qg5 15. Be2 Nd7 16. Rd1 Nb6 17. O-O Nc4 18. Bf4 Qg6 19. Bc1 Nb6 20. d5 Bd7 21. d6 Nec8 22. Bd3 Be5 23. Bf4 f6 24. Qg3 Qg7 25. Be2

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- - By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-09 00:09
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. d4 g4 6. Bxf4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Bb5+ c6 9. Bc4 Qh4+ 10. g3 Bg4 11. Qf2 Qh5 12. h3 Ne7 13. Bxd6 Be6 14. g4 Qg5 15. Be2 Nd7 16. Rd1 Nb6 17. O-O Nc4 18. Bf4 Qg6 19. Bc1 Nb6 20. d5 Bd7 21. d6 Nec8 22. Bd3 Be5 23. Bf4 f6 24. Qg3 Qg7 25. Be2 Be6

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-09 00:25
Yup, that caused a big fail low (since last move), I'm now just fighting for a draw...

My positive evals were just wishful-thinking, but what I'm gonna do? I just kept on doing what I did on my other won games.

Well done tomski1981! Your "anti-Uly" style has always impressed me, I doubt I'll be ever able to defeat you.
Parent - By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-09 00:45
thanks, that's high praise from you.

i wish i knew what an anti-uly style was...but i do not. Truth is, that if you didn't play entertaining chess (what we all love) then this would happen less often. My favorite poker player in the past was gus hansen (because of his style)... but we don't see him much in the finals (because of his style).. but i do love to watch him play.

it's hard fighting with a piece down (even with pawn and position compensation). Of course, it's far from won, so i cannot relax.
- By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-10 04:06
Well, I'll keep on dreaming, that I can win this, if black pushes for a win hard enough :evil:

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. d4 g4 6. Bxf4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Bb5+ c6 9. Bc4 Qh4+ 10. g3 Bg4 11. Qf2 Qh5 12. h3 Ne7 13. Bxd6 Be6 14. g4 Qg5 15. Be2 Nd7 16. Rd1 Nb6 17. O-O Nc4 18. Bf4 Qg6 19. Bc1 Nb6 20. d5 Bd7 21. d6 Nec8 22. Bd3 Be5 23. Bf4 f6 24. Qg3 Qg7 25. Be2 Be6 26. Bxe5

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- - By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-10 11:05
that's my biggest weakness... i often don't push hard enough ...

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. d4 g4 6. Bxf4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Bb5+ c6 9. Bc4 Qh4+ 10. g3 Bg4 11. Qf2 Qh5 12. h3 Ne7 13. Bxd6 Be6 14. g4 Qg5 15. Be2 Nd7 16. Rd1 Nb6 17. O-O Nc4 18. Bf4 Qg6 19. Bc1 Nb6 20. d5 Bd7 21. d6 Nec8 22. Bd3 Be5 23. Bf4 f6 24. Qg3 Qg7 25. Be2 Be6 26. Bxe5 fxe5

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Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2011-03-11 17:07
Look who's facing each other in WBCCC. :smile:
Parent - By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-11 20:46
:eek:
Parent - - By keoki010 (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-03-11 21:45
:lol:
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-03-11 22:57
:smile:
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-03-11 23:00
You have a very interesting battle with one of your countryman David Evans with the black pieces. :smile:
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-03-11 23:11
hope its a good game,and you all enjoy.David is a very good player whom i have much respect for.we have already posted fun PM,s.nice to be in same time zone.i forecast this game will be popular even outside UK.I havent a clue what David will play but am prepared for most openings.one thing i wont be playing Marshall again.:smile:
- By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-12 00:53
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. d4 g4 6. Bxf4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Bb5+ c6 9. Bc4 Qh4+ 10. g3 Bg4 11. Qf2 Qh5 12. h3 Ne7 13. Bxd6 Be6 14. g4 Qg5 15. Be2 Nd7 16. Rd1 Nb6 17. O-O Nc4 18. Bf4 Qg6 19. Bc1 Nb6 20. d5 Bd7 21. d6 Nec8 22. Bd3 Be5 23. Bf4 f6 24. Qg3 Qg7 25. Be2 Be6 26. Bxe5 fxe5 27. g5

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- By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-14 03:45
tough choices ahead for me...

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. d4 g4 6. Bxf4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Bb5+ c6 9. Bc4 Qh4+ 10. g3 Bg4 11. Qf2 Qh5 12. h3 Ne7 13. Bxd6 Be6 14. g4 Qg5 15. Be2 Nd7 16. Rd1 Nb6 17. O-O Nc4 18. Bf4 Qg6 19. Bc1 Nb6 20. d5 Bd7 21. d6 Nec8 22. Bd3 Be5 23. Bf4 f6 24. Qg3 Qg7 25. Be2 Be6 26. Bxe5 fxe5 27. g5 Nd7

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- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-17 03:26
Trying some new approach here (the candidate base analysis method I'd use in future games in case Moz beats my old approach at the other game).

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. d4 g4 6. Bxf4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Bb5+ c6 9. Bc4 Qh4+ 10. g3 Bg4 11. Qf2 Qh5 12. h3 Ne7 13. Bxd6 Be6 14. g4 Qg5 15. Be2 Nd7 16. Rd1 Nb6 17. O-O Nc4 18. Bf4 Qg6 19. Bc1 Nb6 20. d5 Bd7 21. d6 Nec8 22. Bd3 Be5 23. Bf4 f6 24. Qg3 Qg7 25. Be2 Be6 26. Bxe5 fxe5 27. g5 Nd7 28. Bh5+

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Parent - - By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-17 10:03
well, i don't like it... go back to what you were doing :wink:

now i'm out of my comfort zone again... i absolutely didn't expect this move.. everything i did was based on 28.h4.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-17 10:11

> well, i don't like it...


If it helps, switching analysis methods like this was what helped you to win our first game...

28.h4 seemed way too dangerous for me.
Parent - By tomski1981 (****) [ca] Date 2011-03-17 21:36
well, for now it looks like a good choice. there is a good chance that i found a way to break through 28.h4
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