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- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-06 20:43
Okay, so here we are, this thread comes from here, where a successful game of 3 players was held, this thread is for discussion of a game between Christian Packi, TheHug, tomski1981 and me.

Now, the main problem is deciding what rules will we use, though I'd like to use rules based on the Yalta game, they work as long as one doesn't take the game too seriously and plays for fun :wink:

One very important part to decide is on what board are we going to play.

The most straight forward implementation is a Vendetta Board



Benefits: The simplest way, there is no explanation required about the board pieces since the topology is just like normal chess.

Problems: The most bloated board as 64 extra squares are added. Promotions are basically out of the game. Players have to play from the top. Players in front of each other have problems reaching each other. Players on the left and right have a dark corner at their right, instead of a light one.

Another one is keeping extruding the board to add more players, this is 4 players Yalta:



Benefits: It has already been tried and it works.

Problems: Weird board topology makes diagonal moves and Knight moves confusing at the edges. Players have to play from the top (and, well, weird looks weird.) Players in front of each other have problems reaching each other.

And of course there's Ralph Betza's Multiplayer Chess Variant:



(Note: there are only 4 half-boards, they are mirrored here for convenience)

Benefits: Pieces get more movement (all players can reach others easily.) All players can play from a bottom-view. It can be trivially expanded to infinite number of players (unless one runs out of colors...)

Problems: Most complex rule set that would need to be discussed. Basically, players have their half of the board, and they paste it to another player's half before making a move. In this example white plays 1.e4, the other players perceive it as e5, the Bishop can move to any of the white circles (this is Robert Price's idea so that King faces King, with the price that Bishops may change colors, without mirroring the pasted boards Bishops keep colors but King faces Queen).

I've read that most rule sets have players working as teams, I assume we won't, and that all players are independent like in the Yalta game.

So what do you think about the board we should use? I really have no preference, all these seem like new terrain and interesting.
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-02-06 20:50
I would go a head and throw out the last one. I like the first 2. After the last game I will probably play a little less aggressively :grin:.
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2011-02-06 20:52
I would go with the Yalta board. Could you give all squares the same widths?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-06 21:57
Wow, that was a really fast decision by everyone.

> Could you give all squares the same widths?


Sure, I usually try to find the fastest solution to a problem, and in this case it was Moulding the board. Here's one with squares of the same width, though remember that because of the topology, you can only switch between different kinds of weird:



If that's acceptable then we can start discussing who gets what colors, with a White-Red-Green-Blue order I'd go with Christian (for being the newcomer) - Me - TheHug - Tomski (this last order as a kind of white-black color change from normal chess, as tomski won the last game, and Jimmy started it).
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-02-06 22:00
Sounds good to me. Since 3 of us are playing in the WBCCC and Christian has been watching on most days I think this game will have no problem with its progress.
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2011-02-06 22:04
Hmm can't you make those lines straight? :smile:

I don't care what color I am. How do you guys analyze this at home? Do you have a drawn board with pieces or is it all in your head? :surprised:
Parent - - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2011-02-07 02:56

> How do you guys analyze this at home? Do you have a drawn board with pieces or is it all in your head?


i ask uly to provide an empty board and add the pieces in photoshop (keeping each color in a different layer). I cut and move every piece to reflect the movements made here by the players...
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-07 03:15
Oh yeah!, here it is:

Parent - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2011-02-07 03:17
Thank you! (you even repositioned it for me!! :grin::lol:)
Parent - - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2011-02-06 21:07
yalta is most appealing, maybe the first one would be okay if the 2 ranks infront of the pieces were removed and the board was smaller.... the third one sounds very interesting, but also a little confusing :confused:
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2011-02-06 21:45
If you remove 2 ranks the outside pawns could take each other on the first move. :wink:
Parent - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2011-02-07 02:58
yeah, i guess that's true!
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-02-06 21:09
Sounds like the Yalta board is the winner here :smile:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-06 23:05

>the third one sounds very interesting, but also a little confusing :confused:


I found the concept very easy to grasp, perhaps it's about the presentation. I know that we're going to play Yalta but here's another try at explanation.



(imagine the sides being rotated to make contact with the bottom half-board, or the top halfboard being pasted down) So, it's basically Yalta, but the pieces can make these moves into the two extra half-boards as well.

>Hmm can't you make those lines straight?


Hopefully like this?



>How do you guys analyze this at home?


I'll post a board with the current position each move, the way I analyze is visualizing on that posted board future moves, though I visualized like 4 plies on the other game.

Finally, I think the players left and right (red and blue) should have their king and queen swapped around, it's as close as King facing King as one can get.
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-02-06 23:08

>   Finally, I think the players left and right (red and blue) should have their king and queen swapped around, it's as close as King facing King as one can get.


I like this idea. But the way I don't mind the board position either. As I'm the 3rd person which would give me the top view and maybe for some the hardest to visualize maybe? I don't mind this As I think I have the best visual I hope :lol:
Parent - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2011-02-06 23:15
Alright lets go then! :cool:
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2011-02-06 23:30
1. Nf3w :smile:

Can you add square notation?
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-02-06 23:32
I think this would be a good choice and one which I should have played in the first game :smile:
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