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Parent - By suj (***) Date 2011-01-13 22:20
yes my iphone is enough:)
Parent - - By Androcles (**) [fr] Date 2010-12-30 22:59
Welcome to the first PLOUTOCRATIC (World) Chess Championship :twisted:
Parent - - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2010-12-31 06:22
Plutocratic?
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2010-12-31 15:05
Those who have the money rule.
Parent - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2010-12-31 16:41 Edited 2010-12-31 16:48
Hutz tries to measure himself with an angstrom meter but gets mugged by some Mitochondria. They steal the last 2 cents out of his pocket are satisfied and leave. Though he had the last laugh today when he put on his ATP synthase lined jacket. Burrr, its cold outside!
Parent - By mad max (***) [us] Date 2011-06-03 02:56
He that is of the opinion money will do everything may well be suspected of doing everything for money
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2011-01-14 00:29
Well, what do you want?  A democracy?  A meritocracy?  An aristocracy?  A kleptocracy?
Parent - - By Labyrinth (****) [us] Date 2011-01-14 02:01
I'd be willing to give a meritocracy a try.
Parent - By Trotsky (****) [fr] Date 2012-08-27 21:31
makes no difference, capitalist democracy is a centralised swindling machine. as true as when Orwell wrote it in Homage To Catalonia, 1938

the debt cycle is a 70 year one, they learn it all then, but by the time it comes round again, 2008, everybody who might have remembered is dead. Good luck!
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2010-12-30 23:11
if i purchase time on this,i will know senility has set in.i hope then someone will put me in care and take over my affairs.
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-12-30 23:18
Well I don't know what your family/friends connections are. But you can bet there are some of us you could trust. We would just send Tony over to knock some sense into you :lol:.
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2010-12-30 23:20
Tony would certainly do that.:smile:
Parent - - By yanquis1972 (****) [us] Date 2010-12-31 01:14
+1

-1 for the senility, +2 for the drugs. this is ridiculous.
Parent - By Cubeman (**) [nz] Date 2010-12-31 02:48
I support Vas in his endeavours, He has to try something new and he will find out if it works.It will boil down to supply and demand that will work out the price.I have given up on using the best desk-top chess engines years ago so have stayed out of the arms race.Computer chess is so far advanced now that I can't really keep up with all the information that there is.So what if the line my opponent plays is proven to lose, all I know is that it takes a 3200 elo entity to show it.
Parent - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2010-12-31 05:21
The price point wasn't geared toward you anyway yanquis. It was never intended to be. Vas has us in mind but it won't be toward the end of 2011 as he mentioned in his intro.
Parent - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2010-12-31 06:13
LOL
Parent - - By suj (***) Date 2011-01-08 21:24
take over your affairs=take your skulltrail and sr2:@Paul
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-01-08 21:40
not likely to happen,i doubt you also will be renting cloud.:smile:
Parent - - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2010-12-31 05:19 Edited 2010-12-31 05:23
felix, It would make Freestyle's an interesting concept. Considering the prize $$ involved I would think Vas's cluster will be very busy during that time. Infact I bet it's completely off limits  during that time due to Vas's own interests i.e.  entry of all cores :)
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-12-31 08:56
I wouldn't have enough money to get the cluster in my tournament :lol:
Parent - - By David Evans (***) [gb] Date 2010-12-31 09:27
What would be the point of hire of the rybka cluster during a freestyle the cost would outway the prize fund so if u want to spend thousands of dollars to try and win a tour with all the cost heading your way then go ahead

no sense.......no feeling.....
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-12-31 09:31
This has been planed a long time. But it is very risky. You can see by the poll, what the forum thinks. To be honest I just don't see it. Maybe there is a market out there that we don't see. I would guess they had a lot of good input of others to undertake this project.
Parent - - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2010-12-31 09:33
those with deep pockets.
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-12-31 09:38
Well I'm sure there had to be a lot of word of mouth going on. I guess there are a lot more Joop van Oosterom in the world than me think.
Parent - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2010-12-31 09:44 Edited 2010-12-31 09:54
someone would make it a tax deductable gift to certain parties and who in turn out of the "kindness" of said parties charitable nature, donate Server time to me :) LOL

just kidding!

I wouldn't know such people.
Parent - - By staylor (***) [il] Date 2012-04-09 21:06
Wow! I havn't posted in this forum a long time now. Main reason is because i have not been in my own appartment with own privacy and own computer and own time. So i only had limited things i accessed when i found a computer. Also, because news moves slowly at Rybka these days.
Point of hiring Cluster?
I would only say that IF i knew it was extremely greater than anything else around, i would occasionaly rent it for an hour to try out some things.
When Deep blue was assembled, i also would have paid something to have fun with the famous machine for an hour.
Rybka cluster is much stronger than that was, but so are other engines, on a normal PC.
But anyway, i would be interested to see how much elo Rybka cluster has, above Houdini 2c.
Parent - - By Bouddha (****) [gb] Date 2012-04-11 07:36
You cannot rent it for 1 hour.

Thus entry ticket is minimum 1'000 Euro for 5 working days using a 40 core engine or 1'000 Euro for 2 working days using a 100 cores engine.

regards
Parent - - By staylor (***) [il] Date 2012-04-11 10:43
Oh well, so that's not much good! If it's something i will anyway be able to own within 5 years, when i get a new computer with the top program then (to get to the same playing strength).
If i was rich, i wouldn't care, so i would rent it for 2 days now.
If i was only semi-rich, i would eat well and sleep well for a few days first, then i would find myself a time without appointments, then i would try to close myself in a room with plenty of coffee or whatever, and try to stay awake 48 hours!
Parent - - By staylor (***) [il] Date 2012-04-11 10:55
Just to be sure, i will say EXACTLY.
I would do almost like i wrote above, but i would have all my fantastic chess positions all ready, in which i think human judgement was better than any computer, then when i needed to go out or fall asleep for a very short time, i would leave it analyzing one of these positions.

Indeed, i wish someone here could post any fantastic chess moves, or games that only this 100-core Rybka came up with.
Parent - - By Bouddha (****) [gb] Date 2012-04-11 11:40
I dont believe you will see any.

Thats where I do not understand the Rybka team.
I played a few Years back against the cluster a few centaur games and at that time it was already very very strong !
Maybe they dont need to do any efforts for marketing ?
anyhow, I do also believe that today, using Houdini 2c on a 12 cores at over 4 GHz is already very strong and wonder what more you can gain from the cluster Rybka ?

rgds
Parent - - By Labyrinth (****) [us] Date 2012-04-11 11:48
Personally I think they should regularly release scores vs. other engines running normal or high end hardware. Maybe games as well.. although perhaps this is more controversial.

I mean we have overly limited information on how strong the cluster really is. It's strength is one of its most important selling points.
Parent - By Homayoun_Sohrabi_M.D. (***) [us] Date 2012-04-11 12:17
I wonder if it's being used right now for the WCC preparation.   I mean I couldn't pay 500 dollars a day for chess, but when you are playing for 1.5 million, then you can afford to rent it for a couple of months.
Parent - - By staylor (***) [il] Date 2012-04-11 12:15
Exactly. There should be a match between the two! (But Vas might not enter his own program. It would have to be someone who pays for its rental!)
Parent - - By Homayoun_Sohrabi_M.D. (***) [us] Date 2012-04-11 12:27
What is the approximate ELO difference between Houdini on one core vs 32 cores?  Does Mr Houdart or anyone else know that?   If not, is there any way to estimate the number based on what we already know for Houdini running on 6 or 8 cores?
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2012-04-11 13:03
Houdart somewhere claimed Houdini's mp speedup is 1.6 per doubling of cores. Going from 1 to 32 cores is 5 doublings. So the effective speedup should be 1.6^5 = 10.48576. That's 3.39 doublings of effective speed. Per doubling of effective speed you gain 50 - 70 Elo points. So you get + 169 to 237 Elo points.
Parent - - By Homayoun_Sohrabi_M.D. (***) [us] Date 2012-04-11 13:33
That's a lot of Elo points!   Thank you for the reply.
Parent - By Bouddha (****) [gb] Date 2012-04-11 14:17
indeed
Parent - - By Akbarfan (***) [de] Date 2012-04-12 15:40

> So the effective speedup should be 1.6^5 = 10.48576.


I understand.

> That's 3.39 doublings of effective speed.


don't understand. Why 3.39 ?
Parent - - By Permanent Brain (*****) Date 2012-04-12 16:36
2^3.39 = 10.48
Parent - By Akbarfan (***) [de] Date 2012-04-12 16:58
Ah, danke. :red:

> doublings

Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-12-31 08:54
I am not sure about It. Correspondence can be played with very light comps If you are plenty of time.
Parent - - By billyraybar (***) [us] Date 2011-01-03 20:53
What kind of fool will fork over 200 or 500 Euros a day to rent a handful of cores and the newest Rybka? I suppose a rich one.
Parent - By staylor (***) [il] Date 2012-04-11 11:03
Depends what this "handfull of cores" can do different. Together with what the ability of this cluster Rybka version has of handling the increased speed, and converting it to stronger moves. (not fail high, or fail low, or whatever).
- - By dragon49 (****) [us] Date 2011-01-16 03:37
Are there pre-orders.  Do you have paid customers yet?
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-01-16 04:55
From here:

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?pid=300538

"So far [a formal confidentiality agreement] hasn't been [an issue] - none of our customers or our candidate customers complained about it. [...]

Vas"

So, I guess the Cluster Model is already a success.
- - By djbl (**) [gb] Date 2011-02-09 05:24
wow,. this is the first i have seen of the actual details of this cluster idea. all i can is good luck with that! when i saw the prices i nearly choked, who in their right mind is going to pay hundreds of pounds/euros to win a few games in playchess engine room or to analyse their corres' games a bit better? i think this is a very ill conceived plan and is sure to fail. it is just not where the chess engine scene is at. i am not being a doom monger, just a realist. how many people have a few grand lying around to rent a chess engine? jeez, its almost funny.
Parent - By Labyrinth (****) [us] Date 2011-02-09 12:27
It's only for scientologists :razz:
Parent - By Gr00vy (**) [us] Date 2011-03-04 23:40
You're right the consumer group is quite small.  Maybe 10 players in the world.  But for those 10 players, very worth it.
- - By Mervin Date 2011-02-27 11:49
Interesting enough. Do you guys know that something similar exists for free?
http://www.arshah.com/
Parent - - By jitan (*) [a1] Date 2011-05-07 01:24
it doesn't install
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