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- - By mocha1961 (***) [us] Date 2010-11-30 01:50
what if all engines use same hardware in a tournament? which chess engine do you think will win? hmmmmm.
Parent - By dcorbit (***) [us] Date 2010-11-30 02:18
CEGT, CCRL and most other popular testing organizations are uniform hardware (at least as calibrated as a function of CPU time).

There are many questions we can ask about a chess program and associated data:
1.  How strong is it on platform X at time control Y using pondering setting Z?
2.  How strong is it using SMP with N cores?
3.  How strong is it using MPICH2 with M cores?
4.  How strong is it if we allow learning?
5.  How strong is it with opening book X?
6.  How strong is it with endgame bitbase Y?
7.  How strong is it with EGTB system Z?
8.  How strong is it with EGTB system Z on RAMDISK Q?
etc.
We can combine these in any way we choose.  All of the questions are interesting.
Parent - By Capa (***) [us] Date 2010-11-30 02:41
I also don't like tournaments with unequal hardware but rybka would still be the strongest
Parent - By patrick delaurentis (**) Date 2010-11-30 02:42
the stronger engine silly..
Parent - By mindbreaker (****) [us] Date 2010-12-01 01:07 Edited 2011-01-20 20:56
There are several ratings sites.  At first only standard time controls were used: SSDF, then as hardware improved other time controls became interesting and of course more threads. Then all the playing sites became popular and fast time controls became easily preferred...probably because of disconnects.  But those naturally had ponder on, as a machine was only running one engine so it might as well be on.  So the current trend is to include ponder but that means the engines run on fewer threads and arguably play worse.  2-threads in a known position beats 1-thread in known + 1-thread a ply away.  Though depending on programming, they may be less prone to outright blunders when they get in time trouble and only have a tenth of a second to move.

CCRL and CEGT are by far the best for number of engines tested, variety in time controls, threads, and being regularly updated, but occasionally one has to look elsewhere when an engine is very new or ponder is a concern.

http://ssdf.bosjo.net/list.htm
http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/
http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/lastupdates.htm
http://sedatchess.110mb.com/index.php?p=1_59
http://www.playchess.com/stats/engineranking.htm (you can copy and paste to Excel and reorder by rating)
http://www.elhchess.demon.co.uk/ehss.htm
http://www.open-aurec.com/chesswar/
http://rwbc-chess.de/rapid.htm
http://amateurschach.de/
Parent - - By yanquis1972 (****) [us] Date 2010-12-01 13:31
odds are, the CCRL/etc highest rated engine.  of course there would also be more randomness, a much lower level of chess, etc, & the only real point of interest would probably be the opening preparation of the teams. don't get the complaining about unequal h/w in tournaments about chess machines when we have thousands upon thousands of games played under fair conditions on equal hardware between all (or virtually all) publically available engines.
Parent - By sarciness (***) [gb] Date 2010-12-01 14:02
Probably the 'publically available' part gives you the clue. The full (private) version of Rybka is probably far,far superiour to Rybka 4 commercial and the fans want to see it in action! Also, future engines such as Rondo get a showing. I know alot of people are looking forward to that one going commercial again!

Still, I also think that being able to use any hardware makes things more interesting- making David vs. Goliath duels. It can be a bit rough on the little guys, who can't always afford the best hardware to come up against someone like Rybka with it's ueber-cluster, professional developer and professional book-maker!
Parent - By pooya (*) [gb] Date 2010-12-07 00:55
How about: which engine wins on a 2000$ harware?
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