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Is everybody now on a different forum? Because this one seems to have shriveled up and passed on. Seriously, is there just no interest in Rybka these days?
Well some of it has to do with the lack of work being put forth on Rybka's product. You can read many posts about that. So people have got put off on other issues as well. I think you may see a turn, by the new year maybe...
There is Aquarium 4.06 which looks like to be a great product to come out. Plus this forum use to have team matches that got a lot of fame. I'm hopefully that the first tournament on this forum is successful in the next year. I believe there will be a lot of fanfare for the CC event. I've done a lot of work behind the scenes to make this work. Plus I believe Dadi Josson is working hard to get a new clock system implemented for CC play. If Dadi is able to get a system out there. It will take CC play here to another level on the forum. I have some me work to do. We have to bring it all together and do it in a timely fashion. I know January will get here before I know it.
There is Aquarium 4.06 which looks like to be a great product to come out. Plus this forum use to have team matches that got a lot of fame. I'm hopefully that the first tournament on this forum is successful in the next year. I believe there will be a lot of fanfare for the CC event. I've done a lot of work behind the scenes to make this work. Plus I believe Dadi Josson is working hard to get a new clock system implemented for CC play. If Dadi is able to get a system out there. It will take CC play here to another level on the forum. I have some me work to do. We have to bring it all together and do it in a timely fashion. I know January will get here before I know it.
> There is Aquarium 4.06...
And, after that...what? This forum is not based on Aquarium.
It is based on the development of Rybka. What I think is being felt is VR's lack of interest in continuing to develop an outstanding commercial Rybka chess engine. Ultimately, it was his enthusiasm in presenting an outstanding chess engine that enthralled this forum and cultivated a near cult experience that, apparently, now rings hollow.
Things come and go in waves.
In some respects, Rybka, still remains a top chess engine-just not the top all-round, chess engine.
This lack of substantial focus has over time forced the development of other sub-forum interests-which is not a bad thing in and of it self. For the most part the main forum continues to fixate on a single issue that saps it of its vitality.
Your right this is a "Rybka" Forum. So it is based on Rybka products if people are disappointed in this. Its understandable, but to say that this forum it complete dead is an understatement.
> So it is based on Rybka products-
a Convekta product that has little to no bearing on the life of this forum-other than having a support outlet for Convekta.
I don't know about that. I would say Aquarium has a big impact, a lot of the CC players here use Aquarium. And with 4.06 coming the gap between Aquarium and the Regrade style has been shorten. Of course that is a debate for another day on another thread. You can't really throw it under the bus anyway. Its been a part of rybka since it came out to my knowledge.
Let's run a poll!
Thats fine by me. Aquarium plays more of a factor here more than you think.
> Thats fine by me
Hey! May be it is time that Aquarium became the main stay- Felix could change it to "Rybka Chess/Aquarium Community Forum".
+1 
Or the
Convekta Community Forum!
(Oh! Dear! Where now would that leave Chessbase Deep Rybka?)
Convekta Community Forum!
(Oh! Dear! Where now would that leave Chessbase Deep Rybka?)
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This forum is about Rybka AND Aquarium :)
Aquarium is a side line! Rybka is the main game! Nice try!!!
(you should sell used cars!)
(you should sell used cars!)
shouldnt be so closed minded, it is what it is!
> shouldnt be so closed minded, it is what it is!
And, just what is that?!
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I think those who were customers since versión 3. At least. We feel cheated until they update the r4, and I think this is a good indicator of our rejection. R3 rocks but r4 just not
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i find Rybka 4 very strong and an improvement on R3.it may well have some weakness but in late middlegame play it is incredible and much superior to any other engine or human brain.i refer you to my defence in this game played on 12 cpu machines(by both players).
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=19283
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=19283
One of the reasons for the apparent drop off of interest in Rybka, if we are being open and honest, is that there are now a whole group of engines that are free to download and which appear to be at least as strong if not stronger than Rybka 4. I know it is forum policy not to mention them so I won't but you will all know what I am referring to. I'm not wishing to spark of a controversial thread at all - just making a statement of the obvious.
It's because Vas and Larry aren't keeping us appraised of their most recent projects!
We need another Vas video, don't we? Except, with no imminent release of Rybka 5 planned there wouldn't be much to say.
You can release the complete unedited original video interview. That would give us something to do.
In any event, I have to concur that it has gotten very boring around here. I am not much help as I am boring. Maybe we can figure out some interesting threads to post in the flip side.
In any event, I have to concur that it has gotten very boring around here. I am not much help as I am boring. Maybe we can figure out some interesting threads to post in the flip side.
video???
to be honest I care little those who I do not care. I pay for a product that I felt really satisfied DeepRybka3 Aquarium, but there was intent to make us believe that the project and the trajectory of that programmers would maintain their own standards. Now they think on a version 5 is really funny speculat 2 SOLD it, I paid for the products and I have my 3 serial and bills, but will not fall again as I think many out there.
to be honest I care little those who I do not care. I pay for a product that I felt really satisfied DeepRybka3 Aquarium, but there was intent to make us believe that the project and the trajectory of that programmers would maintain their own standards. Now they think on a version 5 is really funny speculat 2 SOLD it, I paid for the products and I have my 3 serial and bills, but will not fall again as I think many out there.
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We are still dying to see what you cut from the video!
There were two sections that I cut that were scandalous. One I can retell, the other I cannot.
Vas promised (again) to deliver Rybka 3+. My instant reaction was unprofessional but honest. I shook my head violently and said "I don't believe you! I don't believe you for a second!" and broke out laughing. "No, really!" Vas said. Too much. We can chuckle about that now.
The other one I will not tell you what Vas said out of respect for him and because he'd be pretty furious if I put it out there. But it was so bad that this time my son (the cameraman, off-screen) interrupted the interview, exclaiming "he can't say that!" with a tone of disbelief, while I momentarily had a shocked and stunned expression, then made an emphatic gesture to indicate "cut!" Vas didn't say anything vulgar or profane. In fact it was actually pretty funny, considering what he was trying to do: present Rybka in the best possible light. However it would be detrimental to the Rybka franchise to say more. I've never told anyone.
Vas promised (again) to deliver Rybka 3+. My instant reaction was unprofessional but honest. I shook my head violently and said "I don't believe you! I don't believe you for a second!" and broke out laughing. "No, really!" Vas said. Too much. We can chuckle about that now.
The other one I will not tell you what Vas said out of respect for him and because he'd be pretty furious if I put it out there. But it was so bad that this time my son (the cameraman, off-screen) interrupted the interview, exclaiming "he can't say that!" with a tone of disbelief, while I momentarily had a shocked and stunned expression, then made an emphatic gesture to indicate "cut!" Vas didn't say anything vulgar or profane. In fact it was actually pretty funny, considering what he was trying to do: present Rybka in the best possible light. However it would be detrimental to the Rybka franchise to say more. I've never told anyone.
> The other one I will not tell you what Vas said out of respect for him and because he'd be pretty furious if I put it out there.
That's why we're dying to see it!
And, anyway, I really doubt he would have mind if you kept that part in the interview, after all, it would have been an "I said that in the interview, he showed what I said on the interview", it's not like you faked something to make Vas look bad. It was a decision by you and the camera man, not Vas's.
I don't know what he could have possibly said.
"I hate my customers and each one that buys my program should be machine gunned. Each exe has an undetectable trojan in it so that I can steal people's credit card info/identity and sell them. Rybka was 100 % written by Fabien Letouzey. The decembrists are all actually just me. Iweta lives in my basement and has a bad case of Stockholm syndrome, and also !@##@$%****@#$****** @#*$%****n sansen brogue!!!!!!!"
Maybe that would get some frowns.
"I hate my customers and each one that buys my program should be machine gunned. Each exe has an undetectable trojan in it so that I can steal people's credit card info/identity and sell them. Rybka was 100 % written by Fabien Letouzey. The decembrists are all actually just me. Iweta lives in my basement and has a bad case of Stockholm syndrome, and also !@##@$%****@#$****** @#*$%****n sansen brogue!!!!!!!"
Maybe that would get some frowns.
If I was Alan I would speculate that he said he was Felix Kling and that the true Vasik Rajlich was buried in his basement. Can someone propose a worst case scenario?
Let's keep speculating until Nelson asks himself what he has done (by not telling us, completely trusty persons that would promise to not tell anybody else about it ).
Let's keep speculating until Nelson asks himself what he has done
(by not telling us, completely trusty persons that would promise to not tell anybody else about it ).
there should be enough PM's to go around
The only problem with my original hypothesis is that I would expect Felix to make the trains run on time...
So now I have a new hypothesis that is better supported:
After helping Topalov win the world championship, Team Rybka analysis is now in great demand from elite GMs. None of them will play a major tournament without first showering the team with money, and Vas has all but forgotten that he used to sell a UCI version to the unwashed masses.
So now I have a new hypothesis that is better supported:
After helping Topalov win the world championship, Team Rybka analysis is now in great demand from elite GMs. None of them will play a major tournament without first showering the team with money, and Vas has all but forgotten that he used to sell a UCI version to the unwashed masses.
>> After helping Topalov win the world championship, Team Rybka analysis is now in great demand from elite GMs. None of them will play a major tournament without first showering the team with money, and Vas has all but forgotten that he used to sell a UCI version to the unwashed masses.
Hmmm I remember the result a little differently. Of course the Hiarcs team are now in demand from elite GMs. None of them will play a major tournament without first showering the team with money. Mark is still managing to supply engines to the masses on multiple formats.
Anand's testimonial was very impressive. Here is another very impressive testimonial:
Bitboards or not is not the most important factor. The simple point here is that Hiarcs is by far the best chess program in the known universe. The only advantage Rybka, Stockfish, Shredder and other engines have over Hiarcs is that they are better at taking advantage of the ridiculously fast CPUs found in modern desktop and laptop computers. They are stupid and primitive programs, and win purely by brute force. If you take away the fast hardware, they have no chance against a superior program like Hiarcs.
Tord Romstad
In fact, this is such a great testimonial, that the world's cheapest guy broke down and decided to purchase it...
Bitboards or not is not the most important factor. The simple point here is that Hiarcs is by far the best chess program in the known universe. The only advantage Rybka, Stockfish, Shredder and other engines have over Hiarcs is that they are better at taking advantage of the ridiculously fast CPUs found in modern desktop and laptop computers. They are stupid and primitive programs, and win purely by brute force. If you take away the fast hardware, they have no chance against a superior program like Hiarcs.
Tord Romstad
In fact, this is such a great testimonial, that the world's cheapest guy broke down and decided to purchase it...
Enjoy!
>$2 Bitboards or not is not the most important factor. The simple point here is that Hiarcs is by far the best chess program in the known universe. The only advantage Rybka, Stockfish, Shredder and other engines have over Hiarcs is that they are better at taking advantage of the ridiculously fast CPUs found in modern desktop and laptop computers. They are stupid and primitive programs, and win purely by brute force. If you take away the fast hardware, they have no chance against a superior program like Hiarcs.
Tord Romstad
" Next we will be hearing that Tord Romstad has been driving around in a Lamborghini!"
Tord is Norwegian, so this would be no big deal!
How else can one respond but with...an Norwegian open sandwich and a Scream!
I'm sure that if you decrease the hardware capabilities incredibly, Rybka 4 still wins by about the same percentage--perhaps even more. It sounds like Tord was more interested in providing a soundbite. :-)
My interpretation of what Tord says is that in the limit as time goes to infinity, HIARCS will generally end up with at least as good a move as Rybka. Or stated another way, HIARCS will get stuck on fewer bad moves than Rybka.
> My interpretation of what Tord says is that in the limit as time goes to infinity, HIARCS will generally end up with at least as good a move as Rybka
That was my interpretation of what he said as well, but he never justified that and he's surely wrong. There are plenty of positions Rybka assesses better than Hiarcs that have nothing to do with search - they are just static assessements.
Hiarcs 13.1 on a quad is more than 100 elo below Rybka 4 on a single cpu, that ought to be enough handicap to even the playing-field for hiarcs but it isn't. Anyway I'm doing some VLTC testing...
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can you plse post the link where this was quoted from.
Its probably on the Hiarcs Forum on the bottom on there page.
> can you plse post the link where this was quoted from.
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?pid=289478
>The other one I will not tell you what Vas said out of respect for him and because he'd be pretty furious if I put it out there.
Hi Nelson. I would like to question you on the accuracy of the above statement. I remember you discussing your decision to cut the 2 sections of the interview at the time you released the edited version. I think I remember you stating that Vas did NOT specifically ask you to leave anything out. Rather, it was YOU who decided that it would be in his best interest if you left it out. In essence, you were trying to protect Vas from himself. Note that I am not questioning your judgment here, just the implication that by releasing the cut portion you would be doing something against Vas' expressed request. So do I remember it right or not?
Milton
> I would like to question you on the accuracy of the above statement.
The tidbit was more like what we already know!
Hurt his franchise, hell!
Rybka Forum is also a franchise for selling Rybka! The sentiments of the uncut statement re: Rybka 3+ was probably something we already know all to well-like , "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" or more commonly regarded in English as "let them eat cake!"
Actually, in today's vernacular it would be something like- "Let them eat McDonalds Filet of fish!" Pardon me- I believe it would be " Filet-O-Fish"
You're right, Milton. Vas took no part in the editing process and had no direct influence over the development of the end-product. I cut the section I describe above on my own initiative. I did so for a number of good reasons. 1) Vas's offhand remark instigated hilarity and disrupted the flow of the interview, which is not what you want to see in an somewhat serious, informative interview, 2) I don't think what he said was a true expression of what he meant to say, 3) when my son and I pointed out the show-stopper aspect of his remark he acknowledged sheepishly that it lacked tact, and 4) had I released the unedited version those few seconds would have gone on to become the whole public focus of the interview. I might as well have just trashed the other 64 minutes and offered you guys a one minute version with Vas making his gaffe.
And if I did that, a lot of people would be entertained and snickering. But doing that would be deliberate character assassination, Vas would never speak to me again, and I would probably be banned from this forum. A person has to assume responsibility and do the right thing. You have to remember Vas didn't have to be interviewed; he could have turned me down flat. Considering who Vas is and what he has done for computer chess the last several years I think the guy deserves the benefit of a doubt. I felt that way a year ago and I still feel that way.
And if I did that, a lot of people would be entertained and snickering. But doing that would be deliberate character assassination, Vas would never speak to me again, and I would probably be banned from this forum. A person has to assume responsibility and do the right thing. You have to remember Vas didn't have to be interviewed; he could have turned me down flat. Considering who Vas is and what he has done for computer chess the last several years I think the guy deserves the benefit of a doubt. I felt that way a year ago and I still feel that way.
> Rather, it was YOU who decided that it would be in his best interest if you left it out.
Also, I would add that, Nelson, is showing moral strength by adhering to standard of higher principles by not reporting Vas' apparent "momentary" lack of same.
you shouldn't talk about stuff you would never tell anyone :) Before you say "I know something, but I won't tell you", you should have said nothing right away :)
> "I know something, but I won't tell you"
WHAT DO YOU KNOW FELIX?!
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Oh wait, I just read the rest of the message, sorry.
I was quoting the guy who knows something ;)
Well then, at least I know Vas didn't tell about the secret to any member of the Rybka Team.
didn't say that :)
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