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Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2010-07-18 15:56
Well, effectively I was only disconnected once, but the restart failed. In one case I recognized this before it was counted as reconnected. So there were only 2 disconnects from the TD's point of view. From my point of view it was only one.
Parent - By Ray (****) Date 2010-07-18 16:01
OK, everything is fine then. What would a tournament be without some controversy :grin:
Parent - - By Jeroen (*****) [nl] Date 2010-07-18 16:03
So if the TD recognized this as 2 disconnects (which makes sense), what is all this fuss about? Rather childish to claim a win on 3 disconnects in several fora. GCP should have started that discussion during the game. Not 1 day after it.
Parent - - By GCP (***) [be] Date 2010-07-18 16:04
Jeroen, you are completely misinformed. I am not claiming a win, and I did react during the game.
Parent - - By Jeroen (*****) [nl] Date 2010-07-18 16:12
Then why make all this fuss in 2 fora? If the matter was discussed during the game and the TD's final verdict was '2 disconnects', that would settle it, wouldn't it?
Parent - By GCP (***) [be] Date 2010-07-18 17:10
Sure.

If you wonder why I make this point about "no presents", look back at what happened to Don Dailey when Komodo did a similar claim in the last CCT. Some well known posters from here attacked him for that.
Parent - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2010-07-18 16:45
Si tacuisses... :smile: It would have made you look like a really nice guy :wink: :lol:
- - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2010-07-18 14:13 Edited 2010-07-18 15:06
round 7:

[Event "ICS unrated standard match"]
[Site "chessclub.com"]
[Date "2010.07.18"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Buzz"]
[Black "Rybka"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2829"]
[BlackElo "2813"]
[TimeControl "1500+4"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Nf3 b6 5. Bg5 Bb7 6. e3 h6 7. Bh4 Bxc3+ 8.
bxc3 d6 9. Nd2 Nbd7 10. f3 Qe7 11. Bd3 e5 12. e4 Nf8 13. Nf1 Ng6 14. Bf2
Nf4 15. Ne3 O-O 16. O-O N6h5 17. g3 Qg5 18. Kh1 Nxd3 19. Qxd3 Nf6 20. Nd5
Nxd5 21. cxd5 exd4 22. Bxd4 f5 23. c4 c5 24. Bb2 fxe4 25. fxe4 Rae8 26. Kg1
Qg6 27. Rxf8+ Rxf8 28. Rf1 Rxf1+ 29. Kxf1 Bc8 30. Ke1 Bh3 31. Kd2 Bg2 32.
e5 Qxd3+ 33. Kxd3 Bf1+ 34. Ke4 Kf7 35. exd6 g6 36. h4 Bxc4 37. a3 Ke8 38.
Bc3 Kd7 39. Ke5 h5 40. Bd2 Bb5 41. Be3 Ke8 42. Bd2 Ba4 43. Kf4 Bb3 44. Ke5
Bd1 45. Bc3 Ba4 46. Ke6 Bd7+ 47. Ke5 Bf5 48. Bd2 Kd8 49. Be3 Bc8 50. Bf4
Bh3 51. Ke4 Bf1 52. Ke5 Bd3 53. Bg5+ Kd7 54. Bd2 Be2 55. Bf4 Kd8 56. Ke4
Ke8 57. Ke3 Ba6 58. Ke4 Bc8 59. Be3 Bh3 60. Ke5 Kd7 61. Bd2 Ke8 62. Be3 Bg4
63. Bd2 Be2 64. Ke6 Bg4+ 65. Ke5 Kd8 66. Be3 Bd1 67. Ke6 Bg4+ 68. Ke5 Kd7
69. Bd2 Bh3 70. Bf4 Bf1 71. Kf6 Bd3 72. Ke5 Ke8 73. Bc1 Bb1 74. Be3 Bc2 75.
Ke6 Bf5+ 76. Ke5 a6 77. Bg1 Kd7 78. Bf2 Bc2 79. Bg1 Bd3 80. Be3 Be2 81. Bg1
Bf3 82. Be3 Bg4 83. Bf2 Bd1 84. Be3 Bc2 85. Bg1 Bb1 86. Be3 Ke8 87. Ke6
Bf5+ 88. Ke5 Bd3 89. Ke6 Bb5 90. Ke5 Kd7 91. Bg5 Ba4 92. Be3 Bd1 93. Bg1
Be2 94. Be3 Bd3 95. Bg1 Bc2 96. Be3 Bf5 97. Bf2 Bg4 98. Be3 Bf3 99. Bg1 Bg2
100. Be3 Bf1 101. Bf2 Ke8 102. Be3 Be2 103. Ke4 Bd1 104. Ke5 Bg4 105. Bf2
Kd8 106. Be3 Bf5 107. Bg5+ Kd7 108. Be3 Bh3 109. Bf2 Kd8 110. Be3 Bg4 111.
Kf6 Bd1 112. Ke5 Ke8 113. Ke4 Be2 114. Ke5 Bf3 115. Ke6 Bg4+ 116. Ke5 Bh3
117. Bf2 Bc8 118. Be3 Bd7 119. Kf6 Bg4 120. Ke5 a5 121. Bd2 Bd7 122. Bg5
Bc8 123. Bc1 Kd8 124. Be3 Kd7 125. Bg5 Bb7 126. Be3 Ba6 127. Bd2 Bb7 128.
Be3 a4 129. Bg1 Ba6 130. Be3 Be2 131. Bc1 Bd3 132. Bd2 Kd8 133. Ke6 Bf5+
134. Ke5 Kd7 135. Be3 Bg4 136. Bg5 Bd1 137. Bf4 Bc2 138. Be3 Bb3 139. Bd2
Bc4 140. Bg5 Bb5 141. Be3 Bf1 142. Bc1 Be2 143. Be3 Bf3 144. Bd2 Bg2 145.
Bg5 Bh3 146. Be3 Bf5 147. Bf4 Ke8 148. Be3 Bd7 149. Bd2 Bg4 150. Kf4 Kf7
151. Be3 Kf8 152. Ke5 Ke8 153. Bd2 Kd8 154. Bc1 Bh3 155. Bf4 Ke8 156. Kf6
Bf5 157. Ke5 b5 158. Be3 b4 159. Bxc5 b3 160. Bd4 Kd7 161. Bc3 Bg4 162. Bb2
Bd1 163. Bd4 Bf3 164. Bb2 Bg4 165. Bc3 Be2 166. Bd4 Bc4 167. Bb2 Bb5 168.
Ba1 Ba6 169. Bd4 Bd3 170. Bb2 Bf1 171. Bd4 Be2 172. Bc3 Bf1 173. Bd4 Bd3
174. Bb2 Bc2 175. Bc3 Bd1 176. Ba1 Bg4 177. Bd4 Be2 178. Bc3 Bf1 179. Bd4
{Game drawn by repetition} 1/2-1/2
Parent - - By Highendman (****) Date 2010-07-18 14:15
Sorry about the result, thanks for posting the game.
How did Thinker / Sjeng do this round?
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2010-07-18 14:21
They also got a draw
Parent - - By Highendman (****) Date 2010-07-18 14:23
Thanks. Good luck in the remaining two rounds.

I found this @ Talkchess (after round 7):

>     Name                  R1    R2    R3    R4    R5    R6    R7    Score  #g
>   1 ChessThinkerX  (3029) +w11  +b6   =w2   =b5   +w4   +b8   =w3     5.5   7
>   2 Rybka          (2813) +b14  +w7   =b1   +w4   =b3   +w10  =b5     5.5   7
>   3 Sjeng          (2908) +b9   +w8   -b4   +w7   =w2   +b6   =b1     5.0   7
>   4 crafty         (2665) +w13  +b15  +w3   -b2   -b1   +w11  +b9     5.0   7
>   5 Buzz           (2829) =w12  +b16  +w6   =w1   -b8   +b7   =w2     4.5   7
>   6 HannibalX      (2514) +b10  -w1   -b5   +w15  +b9   -w3   +w8     4.0   7
>   7 Tornado-C      (2490) Ww18  -b2   +w15  -b3   +b12  -w5   +b10    4.0   6
>   8 thebaron       (2593) +w17  -b3   +w13  =b10  +w5   -w1   -b6     3.5   7
>   9 Deuterium2009  (2458) -w3   +b12  =w11  +b16  -w6   +b13  -w4     3.5   7
>  10 AlmondX        (2041) -w6   +b17  +w12  =w8   +b11  -b2   -w7     3.5   7
>  11 Gaviota        (2486) -b1   +w19  =b9   +w14  -w10  -b4   =b12    3.0   7
>  12 ArasanX        (2436) =b5   -w9   -b10  +b13  -w7   +b14  =w11    3.0   7
>  13 Tinker         (2419) -b4   +w14  -b8   -w12  +w16  -w9   +b17    3.0   7
>  14 Telepath       (2435) -w2   -b13  +w17  -b11  Wb19  -w12  +w16    3.0   6
>  15 plisk          (2198) +w16  -w4   -b7   -b6   -b18  +w17  bye     3.0   7
>  16 jabbaC         (2594) -b15  -w5   +b19  -w9   -b13  +w18  -b14    2.0   7
>  17 HfC            (2122) -b8   -w10  -b14  -w19  bye   -b15  -w13    1.0   7
>  18 dshawul        (1978) Lb7   ----- ----- ----- +w15  -b16  -----   1.0   2
>  19 NoonianChess   (2281) ----- -b11  -w16  +b17  Lw14  ----- -----   1.0   3

Parent - By dr_zied_haddad (**) [fr] Date 2010-07-19 09:33
Hi
I wanted to have some informations on the following accounts.

Thinker is the wellknown free engine. Isn't it? Or is it just a pseudo of another commercial?

Buzz, is rated almost as strong as Current Rybka cluster. What engine is it?
Parent - - By Gaмßito (****) [cr] Date 2010-07-18 14:59
Lukas, what is hapening with your Cluster? It seems not as strong now. :smile:

Regards,
Gaмßito.
Parent - By Uri Blass (*****) [il] Date 2010-07-18 21:09
I do not think that the cluster is not strong.
getting 3 draws with black against players with higher rating and winning the rest of the games is an excellent result for the cluster.

Uri
- - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2010-07-18 15:05
round 8
[Event "ICS unrated standard match"]
[Site "chessclub.com"]
[Date "2010.07.18"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Rybka"]
[Black "HannibalX"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2813"]
[BlackElo "2505"]
[TimeControl "1500+4"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. g3 dxc4 5. Bg2 a6 6. Ne5 c5 7. Na3 cxd4 8.
Naxc4 Bc5 9. O-O O-O 10. Bg5 Nbd7 11. Nd3 Ba7 12. Rc1 Nb6 13. Qb3 h6 14.
Bxf6 gxf6 15. Qb4 Nd5 16. Qa3 Bd7 17. Bxd5 exd5 18. Na5 Rb8 19. Nf4 Re8 20.
b4 Bg4 21. Rfe1 Re5 22. Qd3 Qe7 23. h3 Bf5 24. Qd2 Re8 25. Red1 Be4 26. Nb3
d3 27. exd3 Bf3 28. d4 Bxd1 29. dxe5 Bf3 30. Rc3 fxe5 31. Rxf3 exf4 32.
Qxf4 Qe6 33. Kh2 Rc8 34. Nc5 Bxc5 35. bxc5 Rc6 36. a3 b6 37. cxb6 Rxb6 38.
Kg2 Rc6 39. Re3 Qd7 40. Qb8+ Rc8 41. Qe5 Rc6 42. Rd3 Rd6 43. Rb3 Kh7 44.
Rb8 f6 45. Qe3 Qe6 46. Rb7+ Kg6 47. Qa7 d4 48. Rg7+ Kh5 49. Kh2 Rd7 50.
Rxd7 Qe2 51. Qxd4 Kg6 52. Qa7 Kf5 53. g4+ Kg5 54. Re7 Qxe7 55. Qxe7 h5 56.
h4+ Kg6 57. gxh5+ Kxh5 58. Qxf6 Kg4 59. Kg2 a5 60. Qg5#
{HannibalX checkmated} 1-0
Parent - - By Highendman (****) Date 2010-07-18 15:09
Nice win!
Now win round 9 and all will be okay :)
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2010-07-18 15:32
3 draws in 9 games will never be OK for us :cry:
Parent - - By Uri Blass (*****) [il] Date 2010-07-19 08:36
in a few years the winner is going to be happy to win with 8 draws out of 9 games when all games of the tournament are going to be draws except one.

Uri
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2010-07-19 16:31
Not as long as an engine can gain an advantage against the rest of the field by running on much faster hardware. Lukas is in the business of making sure team Rybka has a large hardware advantage. Today this means ~100 nodes running at the fastest possible speed.
Parent - By Uri Blass (*****) [il] Date 2010-07-20 10:18
I think that chess is a draw and at some point faster hardware is not going to help you to avoid a draw espacially when the opponents know that draw is a good result for them so they will use a special opening book in the game against rybka that increase the probability of draw(even if it means reducing the probability of win and the expected result against weaker opponents).

Uri
Parent - - By Highendman (****) Date 2010-07-19 18:37
I hope (and believe) we will not hit that wall in my life time.
Parent - By Uri Blass (*****) [il] Date 2010-07-20 10:31
I hope that you are wrong because I hope that you have many years to live.

I do not expect chess to be solved in the strong meaning that means proving that chess is a draw but I believe that solving chess in the practical meaning that means that we get always or almost always draw in comp-comp games from the opening position is possible.

It may be interesting to know the percentage of draws in comp-comp correspondence games today(let say stockfish against rybka) and find the value of hardware advantage of 10:1(I am sure that it is smaller than tournament time control games)

Uri
Parent - By FWCC (***) [us] Date 2010-07-18 15:36
Round 9/9
[Event "ICC"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2010.07.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ArasanX"]
[Black "Rybka"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2433"]
[BlackElo "2813"]
[PlyCount "60"]
[EventDate "2010.??.??"]
[TimeControl "1500+4"]

1. c4 c6 2. Nf3 d5 3. e3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5. d4 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5 8. Bd3
Bb7 9. e4 b4 10. Na4 c5 11. e5 Nd5 12. O-O cxd4 13. Re1 g6 14. Bg5 Qa5 15. Nd2
Ba6 16. Nc4 Bxc4 17. Bxc4 h6 18. Bd2 Bg7 19. Qb3 O-O 20. Bxd5 Qxd5 21. Qxd5
exd5 22. e6 fxe6 23. Rxe6 a5 24. Rxg6 Ne5 25. Rg3 Kh7 26. Re1 Rac8 27. f4 Rc2
28. fxe5 Rxd2 29. Rf3 Rxf3 30. gxf3 d3 *

1: ArasanX - Rybka, ICC Internet Chess Club 2010
8/6bk/7p/p2pP3/Np6/3p1P2/PP1r3P/4R1K1 w - - 0 1


Analysis by Deep Rybka 4 x64:

31.a3 Rc2 32.Kf1 bxa3 33.bxa3 Rxh2 34.f4 Rh4 35.Nc5 Rxf4+ 36.Kg2 d2 37.Rd1 Bxe5 38.Rxd2 Rd4 39.Rxd4 Bxd4 40.Nd3 Kg7 41.Nf4 Bb2 42.a4 d4 43.Kf3 Bc3 44.Ke4 Kf6 45.Nd5+ Kg5
  -+  (-2.22)   Depth: 16   00:00:08  3155kN
31.f4 Kg6 32.Nc5 Rxb2 33.Nxd3 Rxa2 34.e6 Bf6 35.e7 Bxe7 36.Rxe7 b3 37.Re6+ Kf5 38.Re5+ Kg4 39.h3+ Kh4 40.Re1 a4 41.Rb1 Kxh3 42.f5 Kg4 43.f6
  -+  (-1.96 !)   Depth: 16   00:00:09  3710kN
31.f4 Kg6 32.Nc5 Rxb2 33.Nxd3 Rxa2 34.e6 Bf6 35.e7 Bxe7 36.Rxe7 b3 37.Re6+ Kf5 38.Re5+ Kg4 39.h3+ Kh4 40.Re1 a4 41.Rb1 Kxh3 42.f5 Kg4 43.f6
  -+  (-1.81 !)   Depth: 16   00:00:09  3822kN
31.f4 Kg6 32.Nc5 Rxb2 33.Nxd3 Rxa2 34.e6 Bf6 35.e7 Bxe7 36.Rxe7 b3 37.Re6+ Kf5 38.Re5+ Kg4 39.h3+ Kh4 40.Re1 a4 41.Rb1 Kxh3 42.f5 Kg4 43.f6
  -+  (-1.81 !)   Depth: 16   00:00:16  6465kN
- - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2010-07-18 15:41
last game:

[Event "ICS unrated standard match"]
[Site "chessclub.com"]
[Date "2010.07.18"]
[Round "-"]
[White "ArasanX"]
[Black "Rybka"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2433"]
[BlackElo "2813"]
[TimeControl "1500+4"]

1. c4 c6 2. Nf3 d5 3. e3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5. d4 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5 8.
Bd3 Bb7 9. e4 b4 10. Na4 c5 11. e5 Nd5 12. O-O cxd4 13. Re1 g6 14. Bg5 Qa5
15. Nd2 Ba6 16. Nc4 Bxc4 17. Bxc4 h6 18. Bd2 Bg7 19. Qb3 O-O 20. Bxd5 Qxd5
21. Qxd5 exd5 22. e6 fxe6 23. Rxe6 a5 24. Rxg6 Ne5 25. Rg3 Kh7 26. Re1 Rac8
27. f4 Rc2 28. fxe5 Rxd2 29. Rf3 Rxf3 30. gxf3 d3 31. Nc5 Bf8 32. Ne6 Be7
33. a4 Bh4 34. Rb1 Kg6 35. Nc7 Re2 36. Nxd5 Kf5 37. Rd1 d2 38. e6 Ke5 39.
e7 Bxe7 40. Nxe7 Re1+ 41. Kf2 Rxd1
{ArasanX resigns} 0-1
Parent - - By Highendman (****) Date 2010-07-18 16:07
Congrats on another 1st place - even if a tight one this time.
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2010-07-18 16:09
Thanks :smile:
This wasn't our best tournament - but the result is what counts.
Parent - - By Jeroen (*****) [nl] Date 2010-07-18 16:16
Will there be a play-off?
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2010-07-18 16:21
No, we won :smile:
Sjeng and Crafty are 2.
Parent - By Jeroen (*****) [nl] Date 2010-07-18 16:52
Ah, cool! Congratulations!
Parent - - By FWCC (***) [us] Date 2010-07-18 16:31
Congratulations, where is the crosstable?How do you account for the 3 draws,I imagine it was just solid play.
Parent - - By M ANSARI (*****) [kw] Date 2010-07-18 19:34
I know Vas is working hard to reduce draws for the cluster, but to be honest that might not be possible as the opponents improve.  The level of play in this tournament is extremely high and most likely draws will become more common for the cluster rather than less common.
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2010-07-19 16:50
Contempt doesn't yet work for the cluster. In the next tournaments we'll hopefully see less draws :wink:
Parent - - By keoki010 (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-07-19 18:40
How about getting Vas back on the fix for R4 analysis? :cry::grin:
Parent - By Vasik Rajlich (Silver) [pl] Date 2010-07-20 05:36
Next tournament is at the end of September, that is lots of time. :smile:

Vas
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