Topic Rybka Support & Discussion / Rybka Discussion / PGN of game six with Rybka eval, book draw from Zappa
Back to the drawing board...
[Event "Clash of the Computer Titans"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2007.09.24"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Rybka"]
[Black "Zappa"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C92"]
[Annotator "Rybka"]
[PlyCount "103"]
[TimeControl "4800+20"]
{1024MB, Playchess2007.ctg} 1. e4 {B/0 0} e5 {6} 2. Nf3 {B/0 0} Nc6 {8} 3. Bb5
{B/0 0} a6 {9} 4. Ba4 {B/0 0} Nf6 {9} 5. O-O {B/0 0} Be7 {11} 6. Re1 {B/0 0} b5
{9} 7. Bb3 {B/0 0} d6 {8} 8. c3 {B/0 0} O-O {8} 9. h3 {B/0 0} Bb7 {10} 10. d4 {
B/0 0} Re8 {14} 11. Nbd2 {B/0 0} Bf8 {9} 12. a4 {B/0 0} h6 {9} 13. Bc2 {B/0 0}
exd4 {9} 14. cxd4 {B/0 0} Nb4 {19} 15. Bb1 {B/0 0} c5 {8} 16. d5 {B/0 0} Nd7 {
10} 17. Ra3 {B/0 0} c4 {8} 18. axb5 {B/0 0} axb5 {8} 19. Nd4 {B/0 0} Qb6 {10}
20. Nf5 {B/0 0} Ne5 {9} 21. Rg3 {B/0 0} g6 {9} 22. Nf3 {B/0 0} Ned3 {10} 23.
Be3 {B/0 0} Qd8 {9} 24. Bxh6 {B/0 0} Qf6 {19} 25. Qd2 {B/0 0} Nxe1 {9} 26. Bxf8
{B/0 0} Nxf3+ {10} 27. Rxf3 {B/0 0} gxf5 {10} 28. Rxf5 {B/0 0} Qg6 {10} 29. Rg5
{B/0 0} Qxg5 {8} 30. Qxg5+ {B/0 0} Kxf8 {10} 31. Qh6+ {B/0 0} Kg8 {8} 32. Kh2 {
B/0 0} Ra1 {20} 33. Qxd6 {0.44/23 124} Rxb1 {11} 34. Qxb4 {0.46/24 88} Rxe4 {10
} 35. Qxb5 {0.44/24 55} c3 {13} 36. Qxb7 {0.44/24 30} Kg7 {12} 37. d6 {
0.00/24 87} c2 {189} 38. Qxe4 {0.00/26 88} c1=Q {10} 39. d7 {0.00/26 247} Qg1+
{10} 40. Kg3 {0.00/28 1} Rd1 {25} 41. Qf5 {0.00/26 222} f6 {13} 42. Qe4 {
0.00/25 21} Rd2 {16} 43. d8=Q {0.00/26 31} Qxf2+ {44} 44. Kh2 {0.00/30 20} Rxd8
{12} 45. Qe7+ {0.00/30 23} Kg6 {150} 46. Qxd8 {0.00/33 35} Qf4+ {63} 47. Kg1 {
0.00/34 62} Qc1+ {35} 48. Kf2 {0.00/34 58} Qxb2+ {134} 49. Kf3 {0.00/35 1} Qc3+
{126} 50. Ke2 {0.00/36 19} Qe5+ {157} 51. Kd1 {0.00/37 35} Qa1+ {97} 52. Kd2 {
0.00/37 11} 1/2-1/2
[Event "Clash of the Computer Titans"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2007.09.24"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Rybka"]
[Black "Zappa"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C92"]
[Annotator "Rybka"]
[PlyCount "103"]
[TimeControl "4800+20"]
{1024MB, Playchess2007.ctg} 1. e4 {B/0 0} e5 {6} 2. Nf3 {B/0 0} Nc6 {8} 3. Bb5
{B/0 0} a6 {9} 4. Ba4 {B/0 0} Nf6 {9} 5. O-O {B/0 0} Be7 {11} 6. Re1 {B/0 0} b5
{9} 7. Bb3 {B/0 0} d6 {8} 8. c3 {B/0 0} O-O {8} 9. h3 {B/0 0} Bb7 {10} 10. d4 {
B/0 0} Re8 {14} 11. Nbd2 {B/0 0} Bf8 {9} 12. a4 {B/0 0} h6 {9} 13. Bc2 {B/0 0}
exd4 {9} 14. cxd4 {B/0 0} Nb4 {19} 15. Bb1 {B/0 0} c5 {8} 16. d5 {B/0 0} Nd7 {
10} 17. Ra3 {B/0 0} c4 {8} 18. axb5 {B/0 0} axb5 {8} 19. Nd4 {B/0 0} Qb6 {10}
20. Nf5 {B/0 0} Ne5 {9} 21. Rg3 {B/0 0} g6 {9} 22. Nf3 {B/0 0} Ned3 {10} 23.
Be3 {B/0 0} Qd8 {9} 24. Bxh6 {B/0 0} Qf6 {19} 25. Qd2 {B/0 0} Nxe1 {9} 26. Bxf8
{B/0 0} Nxf3+ {10} 27. Rxf3 {B/0 0} gxf5 {10} 28. Rxf5 {B/0 0} Qg6 {10} 29. Rg5
{B/0 0} Qxg5 {8} 30. Qxg5+ {B/0 0} Kxf8 {10} 31. Qh6+ {B/0 0} Kg8 {8} 32. Kh2 {
B/0 0} Ra1 {20} 33. Qxd6 {0.44/23 124} Rxb1 {11} 34. Qxb4 {0.46/24 88} Rxe4 {10
} 35. Qxb5 {0.44/24 55} c3 {13} 36. Qxb7 {0.44/24 30} Kg7 {12} 37. d6 {
0.00/24 87} c2 {189} 38. Qxe4 {0.00/26 88} c1=Q {10} 39. d7 {0.00/26 247} Qg1+
{10} 40. Kg3 {0.00/28 1} Rd1 {25} 41. Qf5 {0.00/26 222} f6 {13} 42. Qe4 {
0.00/25 21} Rd2 {16} 43. d8=Q {0.00/26 31} Qxf2+ {44} 44. Kh2 {0.00/30 20} Rxd8
{12} 45. Qe7+ {0.00/30 23} Kg6 {150} 46. Qxd8 {0.00/33 35} Qf4+ {63} 47. Kg1 {
0.00/34 62} Qc1+ {35} 48. Kf2 {0.00/34 58} Qxb2+ {134} 49. Kf3 {0.00/35 1} Qc3+
{126} 50. Ke2 {0.00/36 19} Qe5+ {157} 51. Kd1 {0.00/37 35} Qa1+ {97} 52. Kd2 {
0.00/37 11} 1/2-1/2
Draw!
[Event "Mexico"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2007.09.24"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Rybka, ChessBase"]
[Black "Zappa Mexico X64"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C92"]
[PlyCount "103"]
[EventDate "2007.??.??"]
[TimeControl "3600+10"]
{384MB, ZapM X Black.ctg, ZAPPA} 1. e4 {0} e5 {B/0 0} 2. Nf3 {8} Nc6 {B/0 0} 3.
Bb5 {7} a6 {B/0 0} 4. Ba4 {9} Nf6 {B/0 0} 5. O-O {8} Be7 {B/0 0} 6. Re1 {11} b5
{B/0 0} 7. Bb3 {8} d6 {B/0 0} 8. c3 {8} O-O {B/0 0} 9. h3 {8} Bb7 {B/0 0} 10.
d4 {10} Re8 {B/0 0} 11. Nbd2 {12} Bf8 {B/0 0} 12. a4 {9} h6 {B/0 0} 13. Bc2 {8}
exd4 {B/0 0} 14. cxd4 {20} Nb4 {B/0 0} 15. Bb1 {7} c5 {B/0 0} 16. d5 {7} Nd7 {
B/0 0} 17. Ra3 {10} c4 {B/0 0} 18. axb5 {8} axb5 {B/0 0} 19. Nd4 {8} Qb6 {B/0 0
} 20. Nf5 {9} Ne5 {B/0 0} 21. Rg3 {9} g6 {B/0 0} 22. Nf3 {8} Ned3 {B/0 0} 23.
Be3 {11} Qd8 {B/0 0} 24. Bxh6 {17} Qf6 {B/0 0} 25. Qd2 {9} Nxe1 {B/0 0} 26.
Bxf8 {9} Nxf3+ {B/0 0} 27. Rxf3 {10} gxf5 {B/0 0} 28. Rxf5 {10} Qg6 {B/0 0} 29.
Rg5 {8} Qxg5 {B/0 0} 30. Qxg5+ {7} Kxf8 {B/0 0} 31. Qh6+ {11} Kg8 {B/0 0} 32.
Kh2 {8} Ra1 {B/0 0} 33. Qxd6 {144} Rxb1 {B/0 0} 34. Qxb4 {97} Rxe4 {B/0 0} 35.
Qxb5 {66} c3 {B/0 0} 36. Qxb7 {41} Kg7 {B/0 0} 37. d6 {98} c2 {0.00/18 179} 38.
Qxe4 {98} c1=Q {0.00/19 0} 39. d7 {258} Qg1+ {0.00/20 0} 40. Kg3 {25} Rd1 {
0.00/20 0} 41. Qf5 {231} f6 {0.00/21 0} 42. Qe4 {34} Rd2 {0.00/20 0} 43. d8=Q {
67} Qxf2+ {0.00/20 0} 44. Kh2 {43} Rxd8 {0.00/20 1} 45. Qe7+ {33} Kg6 {
0.00/21 142} 46. Qxd8 {46} Qf4+ {0.00/22 0} 47. Kg1 {126} Qc1+ {0.00/21 22} 48.
Kf2 {69} Qxb2+ {0.00/21 120} 49. Kf3 {(Ke3) 15} Qc3+ {0.00/21 105} 50. Ke2 {
(Kf4) 42} Qe5+ {0.00/21 140} 51. Kd1 {(Kd3) 61} Qa1+ {0.00/21 73} 52. Kd2 {
(Ke2) 64} 1/2-1/2
[Event "Mexico"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2007.09.24"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Rybka, ChessBase"]
[Black "Zappa Mexico X64"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C92"]
[PlyCount "103"]
[EventDate "2007.??.??"]
[TimeControl "3600+10"]
{384MB, ZapM X Black.ctg, ZAPPA} 1. e4 {0} e5 {B/0 0} 2. Nf3 {8} Nc6 {B/0 0} 3.
Bb5 {7} a6 {B/0 0} 4. Ba4 {9} Nf6 {B/0 0} 5. O-O {8} Be7 {B/0 0} 6. Re1 {11} b5
{B/0 0} 7. Bb3 {8} d6 {B/0 0} 8. c3 {8} O-O {B/0 0} 9. h3 {8} Bb7 {B/0 0} 10.
d4 {10} Re8 {B/0 0} 11. Nbd2 {12} Bf8 {B/0 0} 12. a4 {9} h6 {B/0 0} 13. Bc2 {8}
exd4 {B/0 0} 14. cxd4 {20} Nb4 {B/0 0} 15. Bb1 {7} c5 {B/0 0} 16. d5 {7} Nd7 {
B/0 0} 17. Ra3 {10} c4 {B/0 0} 18. axb5 {8} axb5 {B/0 0} 19. Nd4 {8} Qb6 {B/0 0
} 20. Nf5 {9} Ne5 {B/0 0} 21. Rg3 {9} g6 {B/0 0} 22. Nf3 {8} Ned3 {B/0 0} 23.
Be3 {11} Qd8 {B/0 0} 24. Bxh6 {17} Qf6 {B/0 0} 25. Qd2 {9} Nxe1 {B/0 0} 26.
Bxf8 {9} Nxf3+ {B/0 0} 27. Rxf3 {10} gxf5 {B/0 0} 28. Rxf5 {10} Qg6 {B/0 0} 29.
Rg5 {8} Qxg5 {B/0 0} 30. Qxg5+ {7} Kxf8 {B/0 0} 31. Qh6+ {11} Kg8 {B/0 0} 32.
Kh2 {8} Ra1 {B/0 0} 33. Qxd6 {144} Rxb1 {B/0 0} 34. Qxb4 {97} Rxe4 {B/0 0} 35.
Qxb5 {66} c3 {B/0 0} 36. Qxb7 {41} Kg7 {B/0 0} 37. d6 {98} c2 {0.00/18 179} 38.
Qxe4 {98} c1=Q {0.00/19 0} 39. d7 {258} Qg1+ {0.00/20 0} 40. Kg3 {25} Rd1 {
0.00/20 0} 41. Qf5 {231} f6 {0.00/21 0} 42. Qe4 {34} Rd2 {0.00/20 0} 43. d8=Q {
67} Qxf2+ {0.00/20 0} 44. Kh2 {43} Rxd8 {0.00/20 1} 45. Qe7+ {33} Kg6 {
0.00/21 142} 46. Qxd8 {46} Qf4+ {0.00/22 0} 47. Kg1 {126} Qc1+ {0.00/21 22} 48.
Kf2 {69} Qxb2+ {0.00/21 120} 49. Kf3 {(Ke3) 15} Qc3+ {0.00/21 105} 50. Ke2 {
(Kf4) 42} Qe5+ {0.00/21 140} 51. Kd1 {(Kd3) 61} Qa1+ {0.00/21 73} 52. Kd2 {
(Ke2) 64} 1/2-1/2
![[us]](/mwf/v12/flags/us.png "United States")
Dagh, next time you see Erdo, tell him I think Rybka's play in this tournament has been "chok fena" (pronounced choke fe-NAH).
The Turks haven't done so much damage to an English-speaking contingent since Gallipoli.
The Turks haven't done so much damage to an English-speaking contingent since Gallipoli.
![[de]](/mwf/v12/flags/de.png "Germany")
Zappa vs Rybka now 4 -2, or?
That's right 4-2 as of now ...
Yes it's 4-2 in favor of Zappa. I don't see Rybka making a comeback. It had to win today to have a chance in my opinion. Zappa just seems to be playing better than Rybka and congrats to Anthony for that. We could have a major turnaround only if Zappa has just been lucky so far. Is 1 win in 6 games just bad luck?
Jim
Jim
![[cr]](/mwf/v12/flags/cr.png "Costa Rica")
I think that Rybka still have chances but I think it is better to change the opening and to prove with another thing. Only 4 more games to finish, and of course the result for Rybka it is not good.
Regards,
Gambito.
Regards,
Gambito.
Well, when you think of it, if game 4 had been 1-0 instead of 0-1, we would have had an even match by now, so I wouldn't exactly call the performance so far horrible. Game 6 was unfortunate, but, ok, shit happens. We'll keep kicking and see if we can still turn this thing around :-)
If...if! There is no substitute for victory! You guys need to re-watch the opening scene from "GM Patton"!
"When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble-shooter, the fastest runner, big league ball players, the toughest boxer. Computer chess aficionados LOVE a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Computer chess devotees play to win all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for an engine author who lost and laughed. That's why the Rybka team has never lost and will never lose a match, because the very thought of losing is hateful to the Rybka team and its fanbase.... You know, by god, I actually pity those poor bastards we're going up against. By god, I do. We're not just going to defeat the bastards, we're going to annihilate their code and cause their motherboards to fry.... The Zappans are the enemy. Wade into them! Disrupt their opening preparation, crush them in the middle-game! .... Now there's another thing I want you to remember. I don't want any online transmissions indicating that we are offering a draw. We're not drawing anything. Let the Zappans do that. We are advancing from victory to victory constantly and we're not interested in drawing anything except our names onto the championship trophy. We're going to get them into losing positions and we're going to pulverize them in the endgame. We're going smash their defenses all the time, and we're going to go through them like crap through a goose!"
"When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble-shooter, the fastest runner, big league ball players, the toughest boxer. Computer chess aficionados LOVE a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Computer chess devotees play to win all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for an engine author who lost and laughed. That's why the Rybka team has never lost and will never lose a match, because the very thought of losing is hateful to the Rybka team and its fanbase.... You know, by god, I actually pity those poor bastards we're going up against. By god, I do. We're not just going to defeat the bastards, we're going to annihilate their code and cause their motherboards to fry.... The Zappans are the enemy. Wade into them! Disrupt their opening preparation, crush them in the middle-game! .... Now there's another thing I want you to remember. I don't want any online transmissions indicating that we are offering a draw. We're not drawing anything. Let the Zappans do that. We are advancing from victory to victory constantly and we're not interested in drawing anything except our names onto the championship trophy. We're going to get them into losing positions and we're going to pulverize them in the endgame. We're going smash their defenses all the time, and we're going to go through them like crap through a goose!"
![[nl]](/mwf/v12/flags/nl.png "Netherlands")
Amen to that!! :)
OK, point taken :P
Why not sicilian with 3...Nc6 or 3...Nd7 if again 3.Bb5+ is played?
Leads to more complicated play(from 3...Bd7) and since Rybka has to go for a win has to prefer this.
Also theoretically Rybka can handle its pieces better from Zappa, so with more pieces it can outplay Zappa easier than with less....
Leads to more complicated play(from 3...Bd7) and since Rybka has to go for a win has to prefer this.
Also theoretically Rybka can handle its pieces better from Zappa, so with more pieces it can outplay Zappa easier than with less....
If we knew that 3Bb5 check would be played in that game, maybe we might have chosen a knight move. But the book was prepared before the match, when a draw with Black was presumed to be fine, and we can´t rewrite entire opening books in a day or two. Also even when down by a game, a draw with Black is an okay result, and the opening was fine for Black up to ...f5.
Well I do hope you are correct as nothing has happened as of yet and we only have 4 games left.
I don't understand any of this.
When I first tried Rybka, a year ago, it was unlike any other program. It seemed to actually think, and it seemed like it was light years away, in terms of positional understanding, than other programs. Its sacrifices for positional advantage were astounding (I speak as a USCF 2100 player). Having to worry about tactics, about a ply here and there, that wasn't for Rybka. Rybka did not care about that. It ruled with an iron hand. It only needed to calculate 40,000 per second while others were doing ten times as much. Because it knew what was relevant and what was not.
There. That was my impression from a year ago.
And now, THIS???? What in tarnation is happening? Is it not thinking as quickly as the other program, and now it matters? Is it not understanding as much? What, I repeat, is going on here?
When I first tried Rybka, a year ago, it was unlike any other program. It seemed to actually think, and it seemed like it was light years away, in terms of positional understanding, than other programs. Its sacrifices for positional advantage were astounding (I speak as a USCF 2100 player). Having to worry about tactics, about a ply here and there, that wasn't for Rybka. Rybka did not care about that. It ruled with an iron hand. It only needed to calculate 40,000 per second while others were doing ten times as much. Because it knew what was relevant and what was not.
There. That was my impression from a year ago.
And now, THIS???? What in tarnation is happening? Is it not thinking as quickly as the other program, and now it matters? Is it not understanding as much? What, I repeat, is going on here?
I can't answer your question...but ask yourself what has changed in the last year with the Rybka team?
I'm sorry. I have not been reading and posting at all since last year, and then it was only for a short time. Please tell me what you are alluding to.
Dagh Nielsen joined! That must be it! LOL
just keep going back in posts and investigate for yourself...I'm a newbie patzer Rybka still rules me :). I never was trying to insinuate anything or allude to anything ....if you've been with Rybka from the begining then maybe u know..maybe not...I bought Rybka 2.2 and i enjoy all of Rybka'sxx..All I know is Rybka still just a fry..when she grows up...............
regards
dareapa
regards
dareapa
Rybka still just a fry
Perhaps the noun you mean to use is "minnow"?
Anyway, I agree--the existence of an engine like Zappa Mexico will expose Rybka's systematic weaknesses well enough that she should have an incredible strength increase over the next year or so.
Perhaps the noun you mean to use is "minnow"?
Anyway, I agree--the existence of an engine like Zappa Mexico will expose Rybka's systematic weaknesses well enough that she should have an incredible strength increase over the next year or so.
Fry can be used to refer to newborn fish...
Alan
Alan
Hi Alan,
Thanx for clarifying the meaning of fry for me....to me that's all Rybka is to.....Fish grow fast and as long as they are alive the never stop "growing"..
regards
Thanx for clarifying the meaning of fry for me....to me that's all Rybka is to.....Fish grow fast and as long as they are alive the never stop "growing"..
regards
![[mx]](/mwf/v12/flags/mx.png "Mexico")
> the existence of an engine like Zappa Mexico will expose Rybka's systematic weaknesses well enough that she should have an incredible strength increase over the next year or so.
And I must admit, that this was the reason I wanted Zappa to win from the beginning. (Though I didn't have much hopes, till later)...
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