It will be very much price driven imo, with the prices suggested at the time it's a dead duck.
> Unofficial answer: because of the rental model...
But I assume, if this would get visible a lot of up to now constant defraying UCI-Rybka customers will be 'not amused'.
>Unofficial answer: because of the rental model, that needs an edge over the commercial version for people to buy it.
To rent it i guess, not buy it.
And if that's true then Rybka for me as a product is over. :-(
PS: I can see a line of emoticons along with the other tags for bold, italic etc.
But i can't use them. I press an emoticon and nothing happens.
PS2: I see that conventional text for emoticons is not transformed into the pictures of the corresponding emoticons. E.g i don't see a smile after :-) nor a big smile after :-D.
What is happening?
for me it works
For me it works too on Chrome.
But not on Firefox.
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> You need to click on the buttons over the post, typing :) doesn't work anymore.
Aha! But why?
I kind of like that way of doing it, as I also prefer the old school smiley :)
I wonder if there is any reason not to automatically display both.
> Unofficial answer: because of the rental model, that needs an edge over the commercial version for people to buy it.
I think the main reason is not a commercial one but not to give the cloners new ideas.
The strength of GM is sooooo low that a simple notebook with stockfish & r3/4 is enough.
Even Kramnik, Anand and Topalov dont need that.
Cloud Rybka is just a playing ball.
But why are we all buying that strong uci engines? Very easy answer: Because we enjoy having the world strongest engine on our own computer .
It makes no fun to know that there is a computer somewhere in the world with an engine installed with more strength where i have to pay for each single analysis.
I would never pay Chrilly a cent for asking him to analyse a single position with his hydra. Of course, the only thing I am interested in, is the overall playingstrength of Rybka Cluster and Hydra. Tested f.e. by CEGT conditions with 1000 games, not by developer assumptions based on a handful games (hydra).
GM need the best possible program to give them the best move in the opening book that they remember.
Humans who memorize better lines can get advantage in the opening.
getting an advantage in the opening is important even if both you and your opponent play the middle game weaker than computers.
The move itself can be better for reasons outside the scope of an GM's understanding. So the GM has no advantageous way of following up on the move vs. a slightly worst move but has greater understanding on how to follow up on.
My point is exaggerated yet more understood here.
Assume chess is solved and white can always win with 1.e4
A GM knowing that would be to no advantage to him/her since he/she wouldn't know how to follow up on the move (the advantages of the move is beyond the scope of their understanding due to the complex nature of chess).
> Assume chess is solved and white can always win with 1.e4
> A GM knowing that would be to no advantage to him/her since he/she wouldn't know how to follow up on the move
So, what you're saying is that someone solved chess, but they forgot to check the "show main line" option when they started up the program??
> So, what you're saying is that someone solved chess, but they forgot to check the "show main line" option when they started up the program??
"My point is exaggerated yet more understood here."
For opening analysis its better to have a fast pc and the best engine.
If i would analye a opening i would take many pc's and let the engines calculate at different positions, manually taking moves forward, backward .... very dynamical, and i would also play many moves until endgame, just to evaluate a move in the opening.
Very often an engine avoid a good move just because its 0.01 pawn worse than the mainvariant move ... so its important to take influence with manually making moves.
I guess $9,95 per month would be steep already for most.
perception. Nobody is watching there electricity bill while using a computer.
ps. Finally got the to work!
And people are more likely to pay for Cluster rental, if they know that you are doing your best for them when they are NOT using cluster but their own Rybka 4 version. If they feel that way, then I believe they would then be much happier to save their special needs for cluster sessions, having convinced themselves that the only thing between what they have and something much better, is the actual hardware of the cluster, and not some trick to induce them to pay out alot of money. No one will blame you for making a cluster rental available, when they see you have done your very best for them besides that.
One to join the a cloud and a single unit in the could.
Will there be an access from an iPad ?
I am quite sure that the answer will be yes, though. This is one of the key features.
At the moment I use remote-desktop from the iPad to my home-computer and run playchess from it.
I'm sure they can sell a playchess client on iPad for $10 and reach a very large customer-base they don't have access to today.
And in turn when they allow RaaS through playchess, it's better business for you ;) so if you have a word with them can you give them a hint they should port playchess for the iPad? :)
> I can't wait for a playchess client from an iPad.
since Android seems to be the fastest growing (mobile) operating system and mobile access to such a sophisticated system would be great, will there also be chances to use remote rybka with mobiles? (e.g. my next gadget, the Samsung Galaxy S http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php)
> $9,95 per month would cover less than half of hardware and electricity costs of a single core of a 12 core computer
False. Actually it would cover significantly more. A 8 core cpu uses about 130watts. Electricity costs about $.12 per kilowatt hr. Assuming one runs their cpu for 4hr a day on average then the cost would be about $1.87 per month. And this is with 8 cores (not 1).
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