In cases I have worked on, this would be considered rather compelling evidence. If this case goes to court it will, for instance, be sufficient to request the records of the ISP relating to Harry Schnapp to be handed over for examination. I'm not sure if he wants that.
> If this case goes to court it will, for instance, be sufficient to request the records of the ISP relating to Harry Schnapp to be handed over for examination. I'm not sure if he wants that.
That's a pretty big if and if I were Felix I would have seen that this process was at least initiated before I label people as criminals.
> I'm not sure if he wants that.
I am not sure he wants that either. But, will we ever know? I doubt it. Like I said before, this will likely end up as another cloud of doubt and uncertainty to hang over rybkaforum.net from premature and unproven accusations of misconduct and illegality. It's very easy to state that he is supported by an "overwhelming body of evidence" or even "compelling evidence", it is quite another to actually demonstrate this in a courtroom which is what should happen before you publicly condemn them as criminals.
> he let time running out befort apologizing to Sedat
No...unfortunately nobody (from the attacking user) contacted me or i did see any apologizing...
For example here is the original message,where i waited almost 2 years:
From here i call out to the attacking user: come on the scene and cantact me. I take it easy,i am just wondering who
is this clever person behind of those nicks ?! Then i can promise that everything will be ended friendly and that information
will be private,otherwise i will use my rights and will make complaint against the attacking users at the Law Court !
Best,
Sedat
> What would apologies from HS bring well to you?
It's too late i think...but anyway maybe i will forgive him maybe not,the time will show up
Best,
Sedat
> Just for those here who dont speak German. He put the blame on his kids because of the multiple accounts, he then stated that he himself were the biggest coward because he let time running out befort apologizing to Sedat.
Where did you read, that HS apologized to Sedat? I read the german post from HS, but I could only find, that he stated, that he "will apologize to Sedat on next occasion". http://forum.computerschach.de/cgi-bin/mwf/topic_show.pl?pid=25967;hl=
You worte:
> I believed what HS had written. But even this was a lie.
I put this in connection to:
> He put the blame on his kids because of the multiple accounts, he then stated that he himself were the biggest coward because he let time running out befort apologizing to Sedat.
Just aksing for clarification. I am neither accusing nor defending Harry Schnapp because
1. open fora are not the place to become personal (especially not in juristical issues)
2. I don't know him personal
3. I have limited access to critical information
Btw,one of his sons live in Romania :) :
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic_view=threads&p=232614&t=24852
But thanks to Swami (moderator of Talkchess forum),we discovered him that he is from Germany (Harry's computer)
1.Mail:
Hello Swami,
Can you check please that person ''theodor pintilie'' is really from Romania or from Germany ?
Thanks for reporting it to me, Sedat. I think he's from Germany (checked his IP address)
I will send the complaint report to Administrator, who will then take action against this person
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2. Mail:
Hello Swami,
Thanks a lot for your efforts
And can you do another favour for me,can you please check the IP address of Harry Shnapp ?
With a big possibility behind of Theodor is Harry !
Best,
Sedat
Hi Sedat,
Excellent find! Yes, they seem to be the same person, their IP addresses and service provider closely matches to that of German provider.
I will forward the complaint to the administrator who could verify and disable one of the accounts.
Thanks,
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Note:the above messages are the original mails (without any modifications) which have been done almost 2 years ago with Swami from TalkChess forum !
Best,
Sedat
Is anybody sure about his age... or even having sons and grandsons?
Addendum:
"People with this disorder are usually able to function at a high level and can be successful socially and professionally. People with histrionic personality disorder usually have good social skills, but they tend to use these skills to manipulate other people and become the center of attention."
You are just Great ! Many Thanks...
It seems ''Rybka 4 Leak + Attacking User Mystery Solved !!
More Information coming soon:
http://sedatchess.110mb.com/index.php?p=1_11
Best Regards,
Sedat
Best,
Sedat
what i know (or believe to know, lol):
it is just normal nowadays to block not-wanted people from a forum
admins of forums tend to be the jury, the judge and the executive on such people
the one that will learn the most out of this situation is for sure felix
Also Felix: nicht unterkriegen lassen, alles wird gut :)
Perhaps he knows Facts You do not know or think, they are irrelevant.
And perhaps these Facts contradict with those you have explained.
If this theme really is to deal in public as you decided in a startling man-destroying way, public should not hear only the impeachment but also the defence!
Quap
PS:
Felix, have you read, perhaps in school, Böll's "Die verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum" and reflected about the story?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Honour_of_Katharina_Blum
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_verlorene_Ehre_der_Katharina_Blum.
Receiving an email from "Stefan S." account signed with "Regards, Harry" wasn't something strange? Why did you send R4 files after receiving that kind of email?
Regards,
Patricio.
Of course if I would have had contact to the "Stefan S." account only, I would have never sent the email.
That's what I thought too. The English of *********** is too good for HS. And secondly, the Rybka Team should go after him.
VG
Gerhard
Here are my possibilities. If any are faulty please tell me where as I'm still working on my logical deduction skills.
First, it could have been ONE of Harry's son's or grandchildren who created those accounts (and not multiple) and in which HE had access to Harry's account also.
Second, it is clearly possible for two close family members to share similar patterns of typing. Thus your statement "That doesn't make sense when taking the patterns and messages from the "Harry Schnapp" nick into account." is not true.
Third, Harry would have only stated "there are more versions left" (PLURAL used) if you told him that there were more. Did you? If you didn't then it is totally illogical for him to assume this. It is more logical for someone else (son or grandson) to have assumed it. Also it is possible for the statement of the leaker to be true (he HAD Rybka960 but actually didn't feel like releasing it).Thus the deduction of the supposedly Harry's statement in the package to imply that he is the leaker is faulty.
Fourth, the multiple accounts doesn't quite tie in to being the leaker. The conclusion doesn't follow. Harry could have created those accounts but it was someone else who leaked Rybka (maybe a son or another beta tester). My muffin didn't get buttered when you told us that logic.
Fifth, only for the unknowing (all of us), it is possible that Harry is being framed. Could be you or not you.
Finally, Harry did leak the Rybka4 and did create and USE those accounts.
> Well if what you say is true then it still doesn't prove Harry leaked anything.
IMHO-these are all fallacious arguments- to go along with any of them is to say that, Harry, is not responsible for who has access to his computer? It sounds like Grand Central Terminal had access! That is if anyone wants to believe that he didn't give a Shit about his work! A man obsessed with and over his work!
addendum:
For a man with Harry's characteristics to allow ANYONE on his computer is to beg the question!
(i have t make popcorn for this thread!)
> I feel you are weak in the sense that you can be swayed by illogical logic.
You have the right to feel whatever you want- UNCLE!
> Second, it is clearly possible for two close family members to share similar patterns of typing.
Huh?? Do you really mean the "missing-space-disorder" is genetic? Come on...
> Third, Harry would have only stated "there are more versions left" (PLURAL used) if you told him that there were more. Did you? If you didn't then it is totally illogical for him to assume this. It is more logical for someone else (son or grandson) to have assumed it.
First of all, it was obvious that 960 would be in the final package. And since you know you didn't get the whole thing it's reasonable to assume there're more missing files.
> Fourth, the multiple accounts doesn't quite tie in to being the leaker.
No, but it shows the character.
All i seeing those leak was started from u...
u paid to someone is a first leak...guilty was u...
am i right.? think wisely..if u not paid to him..he can't got ...
Harry, if he felt his reputation was wronged, could demand satisfaction. He would present his card and announce that his seconds would be visiting Felix in the morning to make arrangements for a duel.
On the appointed morning, the two men would choose pistols, walk off five or ten paces, turn and fire. Wouldn't this solve this dispute neatly?
There was a famous duel in San Francisco in 1859, the last in this country between well-born personages, in this case the chief justice of California and a sitting U.S. Senator. I visited the site of the duel, stood right where the two men stood, where there are lonely markers signifying the event. It was moving to think about that kind of courage. The men must have been just 20-25 feet apart.
Ruining the story, the senator's pistol went off early, before he had a chance to take aim, and the bullet went harmlessly into the ground. So the judge, who had not yet fired, took careful aim and shot the senator in the lung. He died a slow, agonizing death three days later. And to make matters worse the judge was pro-slavery while his victim was opposed to furtherance of slavery. The wicked prosper!
> But did this "satisfy" the bystanders and those who had their opinions for one stance or another?
It surely satisfied the Senator! I'm sure the judge heard some opinions about it also.
This has gone all to far. I must admit that there are better ways to kling to the truth, but now it looks like that Felix has done something terrible wrong.
I expect that this Harry guy had some strange trick in his sleeve but mind you Felix is only the messenger.... (and a little too optimistic about it)
But don't forget if this Harry guy didn't play like this nothing would happen at all......
This forum is now aiming there guns at Felix... please we need a time out.
Or as we did (!) in the Netherlands... a little more tolerance...
Regards
Siam
Ich möchte diesen Thread nicht auswuchsen lassen, aber ich kann es mir einfach nicht verkneifen, anzufragen wer denn "Sedat Canbaz" ist (kennst Du ihn?) und woher er kommt?
Mir ist nämlich aufgefallen dass in meisten seiner Posting (guck selber nach) ebenso Leerzeichen fehlen wie bei Harry S. Ist vielleicht Harry nun auch noch "Sedat Canbaz" bzw. umgekehrt?
Hier nur einige Kostproben aus der Forensuche! Die Stellen wo ein Leerzeichen fehlt, habe ich fett hervorgehoben. In kursiv ist mein Kommentar dazu.
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Of course i will not delete and extract,just the both books (learned) will be continued in eng-eng match
Note:the rules are same not only for the current one and for previous tournaments too
Greetings,
Sedat
Allein hier fehlt hinter dem Komma ein Leerfeld, und obendrauf im zweiten Satz hinter dem Doppelpunkt ebenso!
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if you have 4Go of RAM you should use 256Mo only for Rybka, not 512 or more. Large page need more free RAM.
Really...but here (on my system) as we see right now its ok...even in the current system is located only 2GB Ram,but logfile did not report any error so far ???
I just wonder Large pages not used - user choice.,is it available ... can you check in your system ?
Hier ist das Ganze sogar drei mal vertreten, wobei hier sogar ein Komma hinter einem unnötigen Punkt dasteht oder umgekehrt.
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Note:the above messages are the original mails (without any modifications) which have been done almost 2 years ago with Swami from TalkChess forum !
Best,
Sedat
Hier fehlt hinter einem Doppelpunkt ein Leerzeichen!
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It's too late i think...but anyway maybe i will forgive him maybe not,the time will show up
Best,
Sedat
Hier fehlt wieder ein Leerzeichen.
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Was meinst Du nun dazu Felix?
ED.
Du weichst aus!
Die Parallelen sind unverkennbar in den meisten Postings der beiden!. (das mit "!." habe ich hier mit Absicht so geschrieben, denn es ist vom Satzaufbau grammatisch kaum ein Unterschied, ob jemand einen Satz mit "!." abschließt, oder wenn er.,setzt (hier habe ich ".," und kein Leerzeichen absichtlich so gesetzt).
Fakt ist dass beide Poster hier einen sehr ähnlichen Fingerabdruck hinterlassen, einen fast unglaublich ähnlichen - und das schon seit Jahren. Prüfe nach!
Danke,
ED.
Lukas
Fırstly i'd like to thank you for the support,but really i don't understand exactly the postings in german,what that eduardo nemeth mean ???
I just wonder....is he saying that i have same signature as harry ?
Regards,
Sedat
>i don't understand exactly the postings in german,what that eduardo nemeth mean
Eduard claims you and Harry Schnapp could be the same person. I told him I know you and also I know that you definitely are not Harry Schnapp. What a strange idea. I hope he believes me.
Best regards,
Lukas
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