Topic The Rybka Lounge / Correspondence Chess / William T. Vs. Vytron (FICGS Vs. Rybka Forum) 1/2-1/2
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This is board 6 of the match. William T. (WillT) is white, Vytron am black.
Average from 24 to 48 hours per move. No time forfeit. No help from other person allowed.
Good luck!
[Event "FICGS Vs. Rybka Forum"]
[Site "Rybka Forum"]
[Date "2010.04.21"]
[Round "6"]
[White "William T."]
[Black "Vytron"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C58"]
[Opening "Two Knights"]
[Variation "Morphy, Polerio, 6...Bd7"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Na5 6. Bb5+ Bd7 7. Qe2 Be7
8. Nf3 Nxd5 9. Bxd7+ Qxd7 10. Nxe5 Qf5 11. d4 Nb4 12. Na3 O-O-O 13. Be3
Rhe8 14. O-O f6 15. Nf3 g5 16. c3 Nd5 17. Nc4 Nxc4 18. Qxc4 Bd6 19. Rae1 h5
20. Bc1 c6 21. Qb3 Nf4 22. Rxe8 Rxe8 23. Bxf4 Qxf4 24. Qc2 Bc7 25. Qh7 Re2
26. h3 g4 27. hxg4 hxg4 28. Ne1 g3 29. Qh3+ f5 30. Nd3 gxf2+ 31. Nxf2 Rd2
{Draw agreed.2010.06.03}
Average from 24 to 48 hours per move. No time forfeit. No help from other person allowed.
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Good luck!
[Event "FICGS Vs. Rybka Forum"]
[Site "Rybka Forum"]
[Date "2010.04.21"]
[Round "6"]
[White "William T."]
[Black "Vytron"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C58"]
[Opening "Two Knights"]
[Variation "Morphy, Polerio, 6...Bd7"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Na5 6. Bb5+ Bd7 7. Qe2 Be7
8. Nf3 Nxd5 9. Bxd7+ Qxd7 10. Nxe5 Qf5 11. d4 Nb4 12. Na3 O-O-O 13. Be3
Rhe8 14. O-O f6 15. Nf3 g5 16. c3 Nd5 17. Nc4 Nxc4 18. Qxc4 Bd6 19. Rae1 h5
20. Bc1 c6 21. Qb3 Nf4 22. Rxe8 Rxe8 23. Bxf4 Qxf4 24. Qc2 Bc7 25. Qh7 Re2
26. h3 g4 27. hxg4 hxg4 28. Ne1 g3 29. Qh3+ f5 30. Nd3 gxf2+ 31. Nxf2 Rd2
{Draw agreed.2010.06.03}
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Hello. Enjoy the game.
My first move: 1. e4
My first move: 1. e4
You too.
e5
e5
2. Nf3
Nc6
3. Bc4
Nf6
4. Ng5
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Well, i'm not allowed to comment, but i still will follow this interest game, i like this line, thanks for bringing this beauty on the correspondence-board. Alex
> i'm not allowed to comment
You are, as long as you don't mention specific moves ;)
I had this variation in mind when I played the two knights defense, as I've played the Giuoco to death, let's hope I don't regret it.
Well, from what i have seen from you i'm pretty sure it suits your style... its full of open lines and tactical play and a beauty for the chess-following eyes in my opinion.
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5
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Hi,
I must admit to being curious to see which line black chooses :)
Regards
Tony
I must admit to being curious to see which line black chooses :)
Regards
Tony
No Traxler then... Oh well, still plenty of fun lines left.
5. ed
5. ed
> No Traxler
I recall analyzing 4...Bc5 to a draw back with Rybka 1.0 and latter checking my analysis with Rybka 2.2n2, and noticed that I had plenty of holes in it, I also recall that the engines sucked big time on that opening, and probably I left without analysis seemingly unplayable moves that turn the tables.
I think the Traxler would have been a nightmare to analyze (ala Frankenstein Dracula variation, where I didn't know if I knew what I was doing the entire game, and only knew that I knew when I played the same opening from the other side), pretty much suicide, that's why I avoided it, though I wouldn't mind playing it if I were white.
Did you notice that I moved in my last post? Yes, Traxler would have been rather time-consuming for me too, so perhaps good that you didn't play it, as I have exams coming up.
Yes, I'm deciding on my move.
Well, Traxler isn't known to be a winning-move for black-side in (computer-)correspondence-chess :-)
Note to spectators: prepare to be disappointed as I plan to play the most passive variation.
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Na5
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Na5
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Well, I would certainly hope so, since 5...Nxd5 leaves black groveling for a draw at best. :-)
Well, Nxd5 isn't the only alternative to Na5. There is Nd4, though I don't know anything about that, and there is b5, which Hans Berliner won a famous correspondence game with (and I think he offers a large cash reward to anyone who can beat him in the variation).
Yes, ...b5!? is definitely interesting; white might be safer retreating the bishop all the way in that variation.
Yes, the Ulvestad-Variation b5 is an interesting option, especially for blitzing, leaving white commanding the bishop back to f1 as best answer. To my taste the advantage in correspondence-chess for white is already pretty good, it may be better suited for otb/playchess where it is surprising a lot of people... Alex
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5........Nxd5 is one of the best moves although.
I think that a move that puts you in a possibly losing position, when there are other moves that put you in a reasonable position, is not one of the best moves. :-)
It doesnot put in loosing position. You can refer Kaissiber 29 analysis by Michael Wind and Maerteen de Zeeuw in NIC 74.
You're talking about Fegatello/Fried Liver-Attack? Yes, this is pretty stable for black, surprisingly stable, but white has also Qh5 or d4 besides Nxf7, haven't digged to deep into them though...
yes.
d4 is not really all that good--makes the game relatively even with good play by black. Taking on f7 gives white a large advantage, and if it isn't winning, then at the very least, black must play very carefully. I think that I would favor my IDeA analysis here, unless someone can quote me where my previous analysis in another thread breaks down.
The Lolli Attack d4 looks pretty promising, what do you offer as "good play by black"? Alex
After 6...Nxd4 7.c3 b5 8.Bd3 h6, I think that black is fine. White has no reason to go into this when he can get a good advantage with 6.Nxf7.
Ok, now its time to let the words follow action:
I'm challenging you to play a double-game (in one own thread) with me here in this subforum consisting of two games,
both of them with the side you prefered here in this thread (yes, i'm too kind ;-)):
Game 1: I play the black-side of the Fried Liver-Attack ... 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 (with good advantage for white as you stated)
Game 2: I play the white-side of the Lolli Attack ... 6. d4 Nxd4 * (the line you suggested for black)
One move per day on both(!) boards with deadline being 11:59:59pm ET (in case of less than 24h left the one of the next day).
I'm already looking forward in analyzing this both nice Attack's with you and
awaiting your approval (and of course you won't step back, or? :-)),
Alex / Dr. Alexander Schmidt
I'm challenging you to play a double-game (in one own thread) with me here in this subforum consisting of two games,
both of them with the side you prefered here in this thread (yes, i'm too kind ;-)):
Game 1: I play the black-side of the Fried Liver-Attack ... 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 (with good advantage for white as you stated)
Game 2: I play the white-side of the Lolli Attack ... 6. d4 Nxd4 * (the line you suggested for black)
One move per day on both(!) boards with deadline being 11:59:59pm ET (in case of less than 24h left the one of the next day).
I'm already looking forward in analyzing this both nice Attack's with you and
awaiting your approval (and of course you won't step back, or? :-)),
Alex / Dr. Alexander Schmidt
Sorry, but now is a bad time for that. I'll do the one with the Fried Liver Attack with white in a couple of weeks after some time frees up (that should happen at the end of next week, or in about 13 days). I don't want to do the one with the Lolli Attack, as I really don't like either side of that--I would never play it as white (always 6.Nxf7), and I would never see it as black (always 5...Na5). I consider it a relatively boring game, and since I would only barely have time for one game in a couple of weeks, I definitely won't have time for two games. Anyway, I would accept the challenge with the Fried Liver Attack, though I'm not sure that a strict time control is good--I would prefer either "roughly" 1 move per day, or have the time accumulate so that if we blitz early, we have more time later. Thus, I accept the Fried Liver challenge, pending your approval of the relaxing of the time control and the change in the start.
Well the reason for my challenge is simply that i (and the forum) want to see whether
your practical play can keep up with the words & variations you posted here :-),
and besides that i'm interested in analyzing these both because i have never done so.
- We can start whenever you want
- Yes, a roughly time-control is of course ok, lets make it the usual ~24h-48h
(i just wanted my challenge to look more officially anyways)
- Well, only a double-game makes sense, simply because Fried Liver-Attack (Kxf7) gives
me a little disadvantage and playing white in the Lolli-Attack (Nxd4) compensates for that.
Well, two moves in tactical games isn't too much, or?
You said above: "d4 is not really all that good--makes the game relatively even with good play by black"
and i (and maybe the forum) want to check this "good play by black" aswell as proofing you that you are/
may be wrong with this opinion... refusing to play it is a confession for me already, also remember: I want to
show that Lolli might be a worthy consideration besides Fried Liver, and i can only do this in a double-game.
So be a man (:-) =no excuses) and hopefully come back to me soon,
Alex
your practical play can keep up with the words & variations you posted here :-),
and besides that i'm interested in analyzing these both because i have never done so.
- We can start whenever you want
- Yes, a roughly time-control is of course ok, lets make it the usual ~24h-48h
(i just wanted my challenge to look more officially anyways)
- Well, only a double-game makes sense, simply because Fried Liver-Attack (Kxf7) gives
me a little disadvantage and playing white in the Lolli-Attack (Nxd4) compensates for that.
Well, two moves in tactical games isn't too much, or?
You said above: "d4 is not really all that good--makes the game relatively even with good play by black"
and i (and maybe the forum) want to check this "good play by black" aswell as proofing you that you are/
may be wrong with this opinion... refusing to play it is a confession for me already, also remember: I want to
show that Lolli might be a worthy consideration besides Fried Liver, and i can only do this in a double-game.
So be a man (:-) =no excuses) and hopefully come back to me soon,
Alex
I'm sorry--I would have to refuse two games--my girlfriend would kill me if I went for something like that, especially with how busy things are already. :-) The goal could be different, though, with the Fried Liver: I would need to demonstrate that white obtains and keeps a "nice advantage"--what that is might be subjective for many, but basically that it is black, not white, who really has to work hard for a draw. In other words, I would need to somehow show that black is facing serious problems, and if not lost, is in a very difficult situation (the truth is probably more like the latter).
Anyway, there is a very good reason why I am not in the recently publicized FICGS match--I don't have the time (others can note that I've already refused several game offers recently), and I won't have the time for something like that. I won't play with the Lolli Attack because I would have to prepare for it and commit time with it, and I don't have much now because it is not something that I would ever encounter on either side of the board. It would be like asking me to play some side of the board starting from 1.c4 c5, which is something else that I will never encounter in my life. I don't play 1.c4, and when I see it, I respond with 1...e5 or 1...Nf6. It's not that I'm making a "confession"--it's that I know that I would have to commit a lot of time to a Lolli Attack game. This is not an issue with the Fried Liver Attack, as I'm already mostly prepared for it.
Anyway, there is a very good reason why I am not in the recently publicized FICGS match--I don't have the time (others can note that I've already refused several game offers recently), and I won't have the time for something like that. I won't play with the Lolli Attack because I would have to prepare for it and commit time with it, and I don't have much now because it is not something that I would ever encounter on either side of the board. It would be like asking me to play some side of the board starting from 1.c4 c5, which is something else that I will never encounter in my life. I don't play 1.c4, and when I see it, I respond with 1...e5 or 1...Nf6. It's not that I'm making a "confession"--it's that I know that I would have to commit a lot of time to a Lolli Attack game. This is not an issue with the Fried Liver Attack, as I'm already mostly prepared for it.
Hello teacher,
I guess Kenny Rogers had exactly you in mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK543f0_UKc :-)
Well, you have plenty time for line-filling posts here and making big waves with your playchess-
theory whereever you can, but not willing for a fight consisting of two little moves every second day?
You want us all to know how superb Fried Liver-Attack is, but don't allow a game for this to be proved
and also don't allow an "Nxf7"-alternative move for me to prove you already had closed down here?
Being a teacher+gf, you don't have time for two single moves every second day? Haha.
Why don't you just say that you're afraid of me and your theory-waves don't hold in practical play=useless?
Alex
(who is operating an own company+gf+hobbies and still would wipe you over the board with white and draw with black)
I guess Kenny Rogers had exactly you in mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK543f0_UKc :-)
Well, you have plenty time for line-filling posts here and making big waves with your playchess-
theory whereever you can, but not willing for a fight consisting of two little moves every second day?
You want us all to know how superb Fried Liver-Attack is, but don't allow a game for this to be proved
and also don't allow an "Nxf7"-alternative move for me to prove you already had closed down here?
Being a teacher+gf, you don't have time for two single moves every second day? Haha.
Why don't you just say that you're afraid of me and your theory-waves don't hold in practical play=useless?
Alex
(who is operating an own company+gf+hobbies and still would wipe you over the board with white and draw with black)
As I have said, I will only play one game, and I will not significantly involve my time in the preparation for such a game. This I already promised to my girlfriend, and I will not go back on that. So, it's either one game with the Fried Liver, or nothing. Besides, in the Fried Liver, I'm giving you a free knight, aren't I? ;-) I should be the one trying to get the draw... As I already said, I'm not comfortable on either side of the board in the Lolli Attack, primarily because I have not studied it. Anyway, correspondence chess is not something to which I plan to devote much of any time in the near or medium-term future. Thus, for me, for awhile, it is either zero games or one easy game.
I think he means that you could play two games at 48-96 time control ;)
I think it's for fun, we (the spectators) don't mind to see how you'd play with no preparation.
I think it's for fun, we (the spectators) don't mind to see how you'd play with no preparation.
I know very well how much I would get involved with such a thing. If I feel unprepared for something, I make sure that I am very well-prepared--it's my nature. Thus, I will not get involved in the first place. Regardless of how this turns out, I would like to play a Fried Liver against either Alex or someone else in the near future, with the goal being that black should show that he has no trouble holding, and for white to show that he is pressing a major advantage.
Well, i have tried everything persuading you to this double-game,
even dumping emotional oil into the fire (where i have to say sorry
now, just strategy ;-)), then i wish you a nice time with your gf,
Alex
(who would still consider defending the Fried Liver if he is granted
an interesting white-side's opening parallel, and would even play
a friendly game from scratch, but i prefer interesting openings :-))
even dumping emotional oil into the fire (where i have to say sorry
now, just strategy ;-)), then i wish you a nice time with your gf,
Alex
(who would still consider defending the Fried Liver if he is granted
an interesting white-side's opening parallel, and would even play
a friendly game from scratch, but i prefer interesting openings :-))
> (who would still consider defending the Fried Liver if he is granted
an interesting white-side's opening parallel, and would even play
a friendly game from scratch, but i prefer interesting openings )
Would you consider playing the games back-to-back instead of simultaneously? If so, I would be interested, with the caveat that if we aren't finished by the middle of June, I might need to be out of town for about a week sometime near the end of that month or the beginning of July.
Hello not-yet-known-firstname,
you seem to be a nice guy, sorry for being to offense, i just don't like seeing my lines getting bashed. ;-)
We can of course go back-to-back if you give me -as it is my first game here- white to start with, i will think about an interesting white-opening we could possibly agree on. Suggestions besides B9x? The black side of Fried Liver is bundled with this white one, i'm willing and granting to defend it whenever you want after the above game started.
Let us als degrade these "battle" down to fun... A week off here or there is absolutely no problem (especially considering holidays, just drop a note), a 24/48h should just be a rule of thumb.
Alex
you seem to be a nice guy, sorry for being to offense, i just don't like seeing my lines getting bashed. ;-)
We can of course go back-to-back if you give me -as it is my first game here- white to start with, i will think about an interesting white-opening we could possibly agree on. Suggestions besides B9x? The black side of Fried Liver is bundled with this white one, i'm willing and granting to defend it whenever you want after the above game started.
Let us als degrade these "battle" down to fun... A week off here or there is absolutely no problem (especially considering holidays, just drop a note), a 24/48h should just be a rule of thumb.
Alex
Actually, what I was thinking was that we play Fried Liver and Lolli back-to-back. I could give you white the first game, though as I mentioned before, I may need until the end of next week to be ready to dedicate any time to it, in which case we would need to start at that time. I think, though, that if I have white in the first game, playing the Fried Liver, we could start today or tomorrow, which would mean that things would finish more quickly, since the Lolli game with you as white would begin after the first game is finished.
By the way, my first name is Jason; since I have an unusual Polish last name (unusual even in Poland), I don't list my last name in the same area as my screen name, since I don't want people (read: potential employers in the future :-) ) to Google my name and find all of my posts here (particularly the "not-so-nice ones" to people like Hetman and other trolls). If you want it, though, I can send it in private messaging.
Anyway, I must get back to work now; I'll check on stuff here again in the evening.
By the way, my first name is Jason; since I have an unusual Polish last name (unusual even in Poland), I don't list my last name in the same area as my screen name, since I don't want people (read: potential employers in the future :-) ) to Google my name and find all of my posts here (particularly the "not-so-nice ones" to people like Hetman and other trolls). If you want it, though, I can send it in private messaging.
Anyway, I must get back to work now; I'll check on stuff here again in the evening.
Hi Jason,
you're a tough one to negotiate with, i can offer you the Lolli-Nxd4 first (i haven't even analyzed it btw. nor do i have preparation of any kind, just this good feeling about it because i like this kind of gambits) followed by black's side of the Fried Liver-Attack-Kxf7. That's because this is my first game here and Fried Liver-Attack-Kxf7 is of course easier for you to play than for me to defend. Agreed?
If you don't mind (and as it is fun now), rybkaforum-correspondence GM omprakash would assist me as i would like to analyze an interesting game with him, you are of course also free to add a second/fugleman of your choice = more time available for gf! ;-))
Alex
you're a tough one to negotiate with, i can offer you the Lolli-Nxd4 first (i haven't even analyzed it btw. nor do i have preparation of any kind, just this good feeling about it because i like this kind of gambits) followed by black's side of the Fried Liver-Attack-Kxf7. That's because this is my first game here and Fried Liver-Attack-Kxf7 is of course easier for you to play than for me to defend. Agreed?
If you don't mind (and as it is fun now), rybkaforum-correspondence GM omprakash would assist me as i would like to analyze an interesting game with him, you are of course also free to add a second/fugleman of your choice = more time available for gf! ;-))
Alex
Okay, though can we wait until some time frees up before we start the Lolli game? I think that I will most likely be able to finish something major that I'm currently doing sometime next week, hopefully during the week, so we can begin the game then. Yes, having Om Prakesh assist you is fine. I'll probably be solo on this one, as that is simpler for me (i.e. there isn't the time coordinating and such), but I might add someone later; if so, I'll let you know before that happens.
Nice!, welcome on board!
Yes, let's start whenever you/we want, so it's in stone:
Two-game series turbojuice1122 vs. SchachProfi:
Game 1: SchachProfi - turbojuice1122: Lolli-Attack-Nxd4 (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. d4 Nxd4 *)
Game 2: turbojuice1122 - SchachProfi: Fried Liver-Attack-Kxf7 (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 *)
I'm looking forward to it! Two tactical interesting games, Fried Liver-Attack being thought lost for a few centuries now, will be interesting.
It's not because of helping-hand but i wanted to study these two games with Om to evaluate further cooperation(s), i like a lot of games he played in this subforum and he is a master of opening&gambits-theory. omprakash, welcome in our team!
Alex
Yes, let's start whenever you/we want, so it's in stone:
Two-game series turbojuice1122 vs. SchachProfi:
Game 1: SchachProfi - turbojuice1122: Lolli-Attack-Nxd4 (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. d4 Nxd4 *)
Game 2: turbojuice1122 - SchachProfi: Fried Liver-Attack-Kxf7 (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 *)
I'm looking forward to it! Two tactical interesting games, Fried Liver-Attack being thought lost for a few centuries now, will be interesting.
It's not because of helping-hand but i wanted to study these two games with Om to evaluate further cooperation(s), i like a lot of games he played in this subforum and he is a master of opening&gambits-theory. omprakash, welcome in our team!
Alex
Wait a second, now! Who says that I will play 6...Nxd4 ? :-) ;-) I will have to make this decision when the time comes, but from the look of it, black has many options.
Jason, you're my grave, i guess i will give up before the first move! :) You said it above "After 6...Nxd4 7.c3 b5 8.Bd3 h6, I think that black is fine. ", and of course i want to exactly challenge this line (which is known to opening theory), hey i also wouldn't play 5. ... Nxd5 leading to the Fried Liver...
Edit: Ok, if you really really really don't like the line i can also offer you playing white from "1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 *"! Due fairness, I just want to make sure that white starts and we both have a first move in one game.
Well, or we can play two games from scratch of course... i guess this would simplify our negotiations, but i already foresee that one of us then wants to play a Chess960-position... ;-)
Have a nice day,
Alex
Edit: Ok, if you really really really don't like the line i can also offer you playing white from "1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 *"! Due fairness, I just want to make sure that white starts and we both have a first move in one game.
Well, or we can play two games from scratch of course... i guess this would simplify our negotiations, but i already foresee that one of us then wants to play a Chess960-position... ;-)
Have a nice day,
Alex
Okay, I'll agree to play 6...Nxd4 in the Lolli Attack, and that will be our first game. I haven't had a chance to look at things much, yet, other than my initial impression. It might turn out that black is lost after 8...h6 or is suffering--I haven't looked at it in much detail. Thus, we'll each have a first move, though obviously mine in the Fried Liver won't be surprising, since it will initiate the Fried Liver. I'm guessing that my "real" first move in the Fried Liver will be on the 9th move. If that game would start right now, I actually don't know what I would play.
Thanks, i'm really looking forward to play with you!
Till now i have absolutely no knowledge about both, thats exactly why i want to play (and analyze) with you, answering the question whether Nxf7 or d4 (will analyze Qh5 besides for myself) is stronger... and if the 5. ... Nxd5 by black could be even considered a good/acceptable/drawing move.
Will set up the thread today evening and you choose when to start.
Have fun,
Alex
Till now i have absolutely no knowledge about both, thats exactly why i want to play (and analyze) with you, answering the question whether Nxf7 or d4 (will analyze Qh5 besides for myself) is stronger... and if the 5. ... Nxd5 by black could be even considered a good/acceptable/drawing move.
Will set up the thread today evening and you choose when to start.
Have fun,
Alex
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