Why does the chessboard have no squares? Its very surreal this way! Just the pieces at their proper locations...
Interesting move by Rybka IA. No respect for the potential of a kingside pawn storm. Lets see what course DPA will choose...
Interesting move by Rybka IA. No respect for the potential of a kingside pawn storm. Lets see what course DPA will choose...
![[mx]](/mwf/v12/flags/mx.png "Mexico")
> Why does the chessboard have no squares?
Must depend on forum style, I do see squares with Black Knight.
OK, now the chessboard has squares again...
![[is]](/mwf/v12/flags/is.png "Iceland")
I was updating the forum software. There were some big CSS changes that may have required a page reload.
Ah, ok. I see we now have a little information bar telling us not to be buttheads when we post! :-D
![[us]](/mwf/v12/flags/us.png "United States")
aha, this threads already reaped big benefit for me as i've finally figured out how to get something out of DPA...before it just seemed like IA for lazy people. i think the main thing was to set total time, though i'm not sure, whatever the case i just copied the settings D posted & the result is very cool.
immediate dividends from DPA btw w/ Nh4, when i tested rybka yesterday it wanted some awful variation even at pretty high depth.
immediate dividends from DPA btw w/ Nh4, when i tested rybka yesterday it wanted some awful variation even at pretty high depth.
34 minutes. :-(
7. Be2
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2
{2048MB, vytron.ctg, ATS-PENRYN} 1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 (7. Nxf5 exf5 8. Bd3 (8. Qf3 Re8 (8... Nc6 9. Bd3 $11 {
[%eval -15,15]}) 9. Bd3 $11 {[%eval -17,15]}) (8. Be2 Nc6 (8... Bc5 9. O-O $11
{[%eval -13,15]}) 9. O-O $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 8... Nc6 (8... g6 9. O-O $11 {
[%eval -10,15]}) 9. O-O $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) (7. c4 Be4 (7... Be7 8. Be2 (8.
Nxf5 exf5 9. cxd5 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) (8. cxd5 Nxd5 (8... Bg4 9. Be2 $11 {
[%eval -4,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 8... Nc6 (8... Ne4 9. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval 3,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) (7... Bg4 8. Be2 (8. Nf3 c5 (8...
h6 9. Be2 $11 {[%eval -23,15]}) 9. Be2 $11 {[%eval -23,15]}) 8... Bxe2 (8...
Ne4 9. Nf3 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 9. Qxe2 $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) (7... Ne4 8. g3 (8.
Nxf5 exf5 9. g3 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 8... c6 (8... dxc4 9. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval -6,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 8. Be2 (8. Nc3 d4 (8... Re8 9. Be2
$11 {[%eval 2,15]}) 9. exd4 $11 {[%eval -24,15]}) (8. a3 h6 (8... d4 9. Bxd4
$11 {[%eval -25,15]}) 9. Be2 $15 {[%eval -38,15]}) 8... Nc6 (8... h6 9. O-O $11
{[%eval -17,15]}) 9. O-O $11 {[%eval -17,15]}) (7. a3 Bg4 (7... Qe7 8. Nxf5 (8.
Be2 c6 (8... Nbd7 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) (8.
Ra2 Nbd7 (8... Nc6 9. Bb5 $15 {[%eval -30,15]}) 9. Be2 $15 {[%eval -32,15]})
8... exf5 9. Be2 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) (7... c6 8. Nxf5 (8. Be2 Nbd7 (8... Re8
9. O-O $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) (8. a4 Ne4 (8... Bg4
9. Be2 $15 {[%eval -28,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $15 {[%eval -30,15]}) 8... exf5 9. Be2 $11
{[%eval -9,15]}) (7... Bc5 8. Nxf5 (8. Nc3 a6 (8... Re8 9. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval -8,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -23,15]}) (8. Be2 d4 (8... Bb6 9. Nxf5 $11
{[%eval -23,15]}) 9. b4 $15 {[%eval -35,15]}) 8... exf5 9. b4 $11 {
[%eval -15,15]}) 8. Be2 Bxe2 (8... Be7 9. O-O $11 {[%eval 3,15]}) 9. Qxe2 $11 {
[%eval -16,15]}) 7... Bc5 (7... Qe7 8. O-O (8. c4 dxc4 (8... Nbd7 9. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval 0,15]}) 9. bxc4 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) (8. Nxf5 exf5 9. O-O $11 {
[%eval -6,15]}) 8... c6 (8... Be4 9. c4 $11 {[%eval 2,15]}) 9. c4 $11 {
[%eval 0,15]}) (7... Be7 8. O-O (8. Nxf5 exf5 9. O-O $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) (8.
Nc3 c5 (8... c6 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 8...
Re8 (8... Nc6 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval 2,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) (7... Nc6
8. O-O (8. c4 Ne4 (8... d4 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval -16,15]}) (8. Nxf5 exf5 9. O-O $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 8... Be4 (8... Be7
9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval 2,15]}) 9. d3 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 8. O-O (8. d4 Bb6 (8...
Bb4+ 9. c3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 9. O-O $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) (8. Nc3 a6 (8...
Qe7 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 9. d4 $11 {[%eval -15,15]}) 8... a6 (8... Be4
9. c4 $11 {[%eval 3,15]}) 9. d4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]} *
Nelson is back in book.
7. Be2
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2
{2048MB, vytron.ctg, ATS-PENRYN} 1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 (7. Nxf5 exf5 8. Bd3 (8. Qf3 Re8 (8... Nc6 9. Bd3 $11 {
[%eval -15,15]}) 9. Bd3 $11 {[%eval -17,15]}) (8. Be2 Nc6 (8... Bc5 9. O-O $11
{[%eval -13,15]}) 9. O-O $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 8... Nc6 (8... g6 9. O-O $11 {
[%eval -10,15]}) 9. O-O $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) (7. c4 Be4 (7... Be7 8. Be2 (8.
Nxf5 exf5 9. cxd5 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) (8. cxd5 Nxd5 (8... Bg4 9. Be2 $11 {
[%eval -4,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 8... Nc6 (8... Ne4 9. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval 3,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) (7... Bg4 8. Be2 (8. Nf3 c5 (8...
h6 9. Be2 $11 {[%eval -23,15]}) 9. Be2 $11 {[%eval -23,15]}) 8... Bxe2 (8...
Ne4 9. Nf3 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 9. Qxe2 $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) (7... Ne4 8. g3 (8.
Nxf5 exf5 9. g3 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 8... c6 (8... dxc4 9. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval -6,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 8. Be2 (8. Nc3 d4 (8... Re8 9. Be2
$11 {[%eval 2,15]}) 9. exd4 $11 {[%eval -24,15]}) (8. a3 h6 (8... d4 9. Bxd4
$11 {[%eval -25,15]}) 9. Be2 $15 {[%eval -38,15]}) 8... Nc6 (8... h6 9. O-O $11
{[%eval -17,15]}) 9. O-O $11 {[%eval -17,15]}) (7. a3 Bg4 (7... Qe7 8. Nxf5 (8.
Be2 c6 (8... Nbd7 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) (8.
Ra2 Nbd7 (8... Nc6 9. Bb5 $15 {[%eval -30,15]}) 9. Be2 $15 {[%eval -32,15]})
8... exf5 9. Be2 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) (7... c6 8. Nxf5 (8. Be2 Nbd7 (8... Re8
9. O-O $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) (8. a4 Ne4 (8... Bg4
9. Be2 $15 {[%eval -28,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $15 {[%eval -30,15]}) 8... exf5 9. Be2 $11
{[%eval -9,15]}) (7... Bc5 8. Nxf5 (8. Nc3 a6 (8... Re8 9. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval -8,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -23,15]}) (8. Be2 d4 (8... Bb6 9. Nxf5 $11
{[%eval -23,15]}) 9. b4 $15 {[%eval -35,15]}) 8... exf5 9. b4 $11 {
[%eval -15,15]}) 8. Be2 Bxe2 (8... Be7 9. O-O $11 {[%eval 3,15]}) 9. Qxe2 $11 {
[%eval -16,15]}) 7... Bc5 (7... Qe7 8. O-O (8. c4 dxc4 (8... Nbd7 9. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval 0,15]}) 9. bxc4 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) (8. Nxf5 exf5 9. O-O $11 {
[%eval -6,15]}) 8... c6 (8... Be4 9. c4 $11 {[%eval 2,15]}) 9. c4 $11 {
[%eval 0,15]}) (7... Be7 8. O-O (8. Nxf5 exf5 9. O-O $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) (8.
Nc3 c5 (8... c6 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 8...
Re8 (8... Nc6 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval 2,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) (7... Nc6
8. O-O (8. c4 Ne4 (8... d4 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 9. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval -16,15]}) (8. Nxf5 exf5 9. O-O $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 8... Be4 (8... Be7
9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval 2,15]}) 9. d3 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 8. O-O (8. d4 Bb6 (8...
Bb4+ 9. c3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 9. O-O $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) (8. Nc3 a6 (8...
Qe7 9. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 9. d4 $11 {[%eval -15,15]}) 8... a6 (8... Be4
9. c4 $11 {[%eval 3,15]}) 9. d4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]} *
Nelson is back in book.
are you using total time = 30? i'm still a bit confused
No. My initial trial of total time of 30 finished in less than 5 minutes and had a number of depth 5 entries. I am now using constant depth 15 with 1 extra ply at the root. Branching is still 5, 4, 3, 2 with a variation length of 4 (its really 5 if you count the root) and a window of 25 cp. For Rybka, I am using PH with an 8GB table (fresh for this game) with read and write depths of 10/10 and 25 centipawn MultiPV_cp. I am using contempt = 0 and TB usage = Never.
> 34 minutes. <IMG alt=":-(" src="/mwf/epx.png" class="sic sic_sml_neg"/>
I figured out enough time to finish the next iteration would be more useful to IA than the extra 4 minutes you'd get, so I don't mind having these extra 6 minutes on my bank.
Ok, warming up the hash seems to have helped so I won't complain. Next output expected to go over the 54:50 limit, so I'll add the unused time to the bank.
Banked time before move: 8:30
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4
12.01 0:01 -0.10 7...Nc6 8.Nxf5 exf5 9.Bf3 (209.352) 116
13.01 0:03 -0.08 7...Nc6 8.Nxf5 exf5 9.Bf3 Bc5 10.Nc3 a6 11.Qe2 Re8 12.O-O-O d4 13.Na4 (485.192) 124
14.01 0:08 0.00 7...Nc6 8.O-O Bc5 9.d4 Bd6 10.c4 Be4 11.Nc3 h6 12.Nxe4 Nxe4 13.Nf3 (1.070.200) 128
15.01 0:26 +0.02 7...Nc6 8.O-O Bc5 9.d4 Bd6 10.c4 Be4 11.Nc3 h6 12.Nxe4 Nxe4 13.Nf3 Qf6 (3.405.944) 133
15.02 0:31 +0.01 7...Nbd7 8.Nxf5 exf5 9.O-O c6 10.c4 dxc4 11.bxc4 g6 12.Nc3 (4.118.003) 132
15.04 0:48 -0.02 7...Be4 8.d3 Bf5 9.O-O Nbd7 10.Qe1 Qe7 11.Qg3 Rae8 12.Nd2 h6 13.a3 (6.445.264) 136
16.01 1:12 0.00 7...Be4 8.d3 Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.Nd2 Bh7 11.Ndf3 a5 12.Ne5 Bc5 13.d4 Bd6 (9.738.206) 136
17.01 2:01 -0.09 7...Be4 8.d3 Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.Nxf5 exf5 11.Qd2 Qe7 12.Bxf6 Qxf6 13.d4 Re8 14.c4 c6 15.Nc3 Qe6 (15.904.618) 133
18.01 2:51 -0.06 7...Be4 8.d3 Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.a3 Bh7 11.Qe1 c5 12.Qg3 Nc6 13.Nd2 a5 14.Nhf3 a4 (22.158.415) 132
19.01 4:41 -0.09 7...Be4 8.d3 Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.c4 Bh7 11.Nc3 c6 12.Nf3 Nbd7 13.d4 Bb4 (36.810.451) 133
20.01 8:33 -0.09 7...Be4 8.d3 Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.c4 Bh7 11.Nc3 c6 12.Nf3 Nbd7 13.d4 (66.855.744) 133
21.01 20:12 -0.10 7...Be4 8.d3 Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.c4 Bh7 11.Nc3 Nc6 12.Nf3 Ne7 13.Qd2 Nf5 14.Nd4 Nxd4 15.exd4 c6 16.c5 Be7 (164.395.629) 138
22.01 33:14 -0.09 7...Be4 8.d3 Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.c4 Bh7 11.Nc3 Nc6 12.Nf3 Ne7 13.Qd2 Nf5 14.Ne5 d4 15.exd4 Nxd4 16.Rad1 Bc5 17.Kh1 Qe7 (271.020.814) 139
best move: Bf5-e4 time: 39:59.562 min n/s: 134.792 nodes: 315.840.921
Time banked after move: 14:50
Unexpected move?
Banked time before move: 8:30
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4
rn1q1rk1/ppp2ppp/3bpn2/3p4/4bP1N/1P2P3/PBPPB1PP/RN1QK2R w KQ -
12.01 0:01 -0.10 7...Nc6 8.Nxf5 exf5 9.Bf3 (209.352) 116
13.01 0:03 -0.08 7...Nc6 8.Nxf5 exf5 9.Bf3 Bc5 10.Nc3 a6 11.Qe2 Re8 12.O-O-O d4 13.Na4 (485.192) 124
14.01 0:08 0.00 7...Nc6 8.O-O Bc5 9.d4 Bd6 10.c4 Be4 11.Nc3 h6 12.Nxe4 Nxe4 13.Nf3 (1.070.200) 128
15.01 0:26 +0.02 7...Nc6 8.O-O Bc5 9.d4 Bd6 10.c4 Be4 11.Nc3 h6 12.Nxe4 Nxe4 13.Nf3 Qf6 (3.405.944) 133
15.02 0:31 +0.01 7...Nbd7 8.Nxf5 exf5 9.O-O c6 10.c4 dxc4 11.bxc4 g6 12.Nc3 (4.118.003) 132
15.04 0:48 -0.02 7...Be4 8.d3 Bf5 9.O-O Nbd7 10.Qe1 Qe7 11.Qg3 Rae8 12.Nd2 h6 13.a3 (6.445.264) 136
16.01 1:12 0.00 7...Be4 8.d3 Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.Nd2 Bh7 11.Ndf3 a5 12.Ne5 Bc5 13.d4 Bd6 (9.738.206) 136
17.01 2:01 -0.09 7...Be4 8.d3 Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.Nxf5 exf5 11.Qd2 Qe7 12.Bxf6 Qxf6 13.d4 Re8 14.c4 c6 15.Nc3 Qe6 (15.904.618) 133
18.01 2:51 -0.06 7...Be4 8.d3 Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.a3 Bh7 11.Qe1 c5 12.Qg3 Nc6 13.Nd2 a5 14.Nhf3 a4 (22.158.415) 132
19.01 4:41 -0.09 7...Be4 8.d3 Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.c4 Bh7 11.Nc3 c6 12.Nf3 Nbd7 13.d4 Bb4 (36.810.451) 133
20.01 8:33 -0.09 7...Be4 8.d3 Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.c4 Bh7 11.Nc3 c6 12.Nf3 Nbd7 13.d4 (66.855.744) 133
21.01 20:12 -0.10 7...Be4 8.d3 Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.c4 Bh7 11.Nc3 Nc6 12.Nf3 Ne7 13.Qd2 Nf5 14.Nd4 Nxd4 15.exd4 c6 16.c5 Be7 (164.395.629) 138
22.01 33:14 -0.09 7...Be4 8.d3 Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.c4 Bh7 11.Nc3 Nc6 12.Nf3 Ne7 13.Qd2 Nf5 14.Ne5 d4 15.exd4 Nxd4 16.Rad1 Bc5 17.Kh1 Qe7 (271.020.814) 139
best move: Bf5-e4 time: 39:59.562 min n/s: 134.792 nodes: 315.840.921
Time banked after move: 14:50
Unexpected move?
Now following Spaghetti Chess, Shredder 9.02-Zoltar, Shredder 9, 1-0, 5m+0s, 2005.06.10. Back to pre-Rybka days!
This is not completely unexpected and may get DPA to do what I would like to see anyway (i.e. queenside castling after d3, Nc3 and Qd2). The IA PV suggests white will allow black to move ...h6 and Bh7 and I can't see that happening. The whole point of the knight on h4 is to trade it for the light bishop.
In any event, this could be a very interesting game.
In any event, this could be a very interesting game.
Time used 51 minutes. My time management isn't working well. This position is sort of a perfect storm. There have been no captures, and at every stage in the analysis, there are enough reasonable moves to require looking at the entire tree. This will decrease later in the game when there is less material on the board and fewer close eval move options. If you want me to throttle it now, I have two reasonable choices:
1) Reduce the branching from 5, 4, 3, 2 to maybe 4, 3, 3, 2, or
2) Provide results at 30 minutes elapsed time, without regard to whether the processing has completed.
8. d3
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3
{2048MB, vytron.ctg, ATS-PENRYN} 1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 (8. Nc3 h6 (8... Nc6 9. O-O (9. Nf3 Bg6 (9...
a6 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -15,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -15,15]}) (9. a3 h6 (9...
Nd7 10. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -15,15]}) 9... a6 (9... h6
10. Bb5 $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 10. a3 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) (8... a6 9. d3 (9. O-O
Nc6 (9... h6 10. Nxe4 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 10. a3 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) (9. a3
Nfd7 (9... h6 10. Nxe4 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) 10. Nxe4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 9...
Bf5 (9... Bg6 10. Nxg6 $11 {[%eval 12,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -2,15]}) (8...
c6 9. d3 (9. Nf3 Bg6 (9... Bxf3 10. Bxf3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {
[%eval -14,15]}) (9. O-O Nbd7 (9... h6 10. Nxe4 $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 10. d3 $11
{[%eval -9,15]}) 9... Bg6 (9... Bf5 10. Qd2 $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 10. Qd2 $11 {
[%eval -4,15]}) 9. Nxe4 (9. O-O Nbd7 (9... Bh7 10. Bd3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]})
10. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -15,15]}) (9. Nf3 Bh7 (9... Bg6 10. Bd3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]
}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -15,15]}) 9... dxe4 (9... Nxe4 10. Nf3 $11 {[%eval 8,15]
}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) (8. O-O h6 (8... Nc6 9. Nc3 (9. d3 Bf5 (9...
Bg6 10. c4 $11 {[%eval 15,15]}) 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) (9. Nf3 h6 (9... a6
10. c4 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 9... a6 (9... h6 10.
Bb5 $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 10. a3 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) (8... Qe7 9. c4 (9. d3 Bf5
(9... Bg6 10. c4 $11 {[%eval 20,15]}) 10. c4 $11 {[%eval 2,15]}) (9. Nc3 c6 (
9... a6 10. d3 $11 {[%eval 6,15]}) 10. Nxe4 $11 {[%eval -2,15]}) 9... c6 (9...
h6 10. Nc3 $11 {[%eval 5,15]}) 10. Nc3 $11 {[%eval 5,15]}) (8... Bc5 9. Nc3 (9.
c4 h6 (9... Bb6 10. Nf3 $11 {[%eval 9,15]}) 10. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -1,15]}) (9.
Nf3 Nbd7 (9... h6 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -1,15]}) 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -1,15]}) 9...
Qe7 (9... a5 10. Nxe4 $11 {[%eval 11,15]}) 10. a3 $11 {[%eval 10,15]}) 9. Nf3 (
9. Nc3 Nbd7 (9... Bh7 10. Bd3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 10. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -15,15]
}) (9. c4 c5 (9... c6 10. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 10. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -20,15]
}) 9... Nbd7 (9... c6 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -13,15]})
(8. c4 h6 (8... Nc6 9. O-O h6 (9... Nb4 10. d3 $11 {[%eval 7,15]}) 10. Nf3 $11
{[%eval -9,15]}) (8... Nbd7 9. Nc3 (9. d3 Bb4+ (9... Bf5 10. O-O $11 {
[%eval 2,15]}) 10. Bc3 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) (9. O-O h6 (9... c6 10. d3 $11 {
[%eval 8,15]}) 10. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 9... c6 (9... Nc5 10. O-O $11 {
[%eval 0,15]}) 10. d3 $11 {[%eval -1,15]}) (8... Be7 9. O-O (9. Nf3 h6 (9...
Bf5 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 10. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) 9... h6 (9...
dxc4 10. bxc4 $11 {[%eval 11,15]}) 10. f5 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 9. Nc3 (9. Nf3 c5
(9... Nbd7 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -20,15]}) (9. O-O
c5 (9... c6 10. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 10. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -20,15]}) 9...
Bh7 (9... c6 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -15,15]}) (8.
Nf3 h6 (8... Nbd7 9. O-O (9. Nc3 Bg6 (9... Bf5 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -14,15]})
10. O-O $11 {[%eval -16,15]}) (9. c4 h6 (9... c6 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -11,15]})
10. O-O $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 9... h6 (9... c6 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 10.
c4 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (8... c6 9. c4 (9. O-O h6 (9... Nbd7 10. c4 $11 {
[%eval -11,15]}) 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (9. Nc3 Bg6 (9... Bxf3 10. Bxf3
$11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -14,15]}) 9... Nbd7 (9... h6 10. O-O
$11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) (8... c5 9. O-O (9. Nc3 Bg6
(9... Bf5 10. Nh4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 10. Nh4 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) (9. Na3 h6
(9... Nc6 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -25,15]}) 10. O-O $15 {[%eval -27,15]}) 9... Nc6
(9... Bg6 10. Nh4 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 10. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 9. O-O (
9. Nc3 Bh7 (9... Bg6 10. Bd3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -15,15]}
) (9. c4 c5 (9... c6 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -20,15]}
) 9... c6 (9... Bh7 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -13,15]})
8... Bf5 (8... Bg6 9. O-O (9. Nxg6 hxg6 (9... fxg6 10. O-O $11 {[%eval 9,15]})
10. O-O $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) (9. Bf3 Nc6 (9... Nbd7 10. O-O $11 {[%eval 6,15]})
10. Qe2 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 9... c6 (9... Nbd7 10. Nxg6 $11 {[%eval 12,15]})
10. c4 $11 {[%eval 11,15]}) (8... Bb4+ 9. c3 Bc5 10. dxe4 $14 {[%eval 47,15]})
9. a3 (9. O-O Nc6 (9... h6 10. a3 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 10. c4 $11 {
[%eval -7,15]}) (9. Nd2 Nc6 (9... h6 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {
[%eval -8,15]}) 9... h6 (9... a5 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {
[%eval -6,15]} *
1) Reduce the branching from 5, 4, 3, 2 to maybe 4, 3, 3, 2, or
2) Provide results at 30 minutes elapsed time, without regard to whether the processing has completed.
8. d3
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3
{2048MB, vytron.ctg, ATS-PENRYN} 1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 (8. Nc3 h6 (8... Nc6 9. O-O (9. Nf3 Bg6 (9...
a6 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -15,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -15,15]}) (9. a3 h6 (9...
Nd7 10. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -15,15]}) 9... a6 (9... h6
10. Bb5 $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 10. a3 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) (8... a6 9. d3 (9. O-O
Nc6 (9... h6 10. Nxe4 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 10. a3 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) (9. a3
Nfd7 (9... h6 10. Nxe4 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) 10. Nxe4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 9...
Bf5 (9... Bg6 10. Nxg6 $11 {[%eval 12,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -2,15]}) (8...
c6 9. d3 (9. Nf3 Bg6 (9... Bxf3 10. Bxf3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {
[%eval -14,15]}) (9. O-O Nbd7 (9... h6 10. Nxe4 $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 10. d3 $11
{[%eval -9,15]}) 9... Bg6 (9... Bf5 10. Qd2 $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 10. Qd2 $11 {
[%eval -4,15]}) 9. Nxe4 (9. O-O Nbd7 (9... Bh7 10. Bd3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]})
10. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -15,15]}) (9. Nf3 Bh7 (9... Bg6 10. Bd3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]
}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -15,15]}) 9... dxe4 (9... Nxe4 10. Nf3 $11 {[%eval 8,15]
}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) (8. O-O h6 (8... Nc6 9. Nc3 (9. d3 Bf5 (9...
Bg6 10. c4 $11 {[%eval 15,15]}) 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) (9. Nf3 h6 (9... a6
10. c4 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 9... a6 (9... h6 10.
Bb5 $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 10. a3 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) (8... Qe7 9. c4 (9. d3 Bf5
(9... Bg6 10. c4 $11 {[%eval 20,15]}) 10. c4 $11 {[%eval 2,15]}) (9. Nc3 c6 (
9... a6 10. d3 $11 {[%eval 6,15]}) 10. Nxe4 $11 {[%eval -2,15]}) 9... c6 (9...
h6 10. Nc3 $11 {[%eval 5,15]}) 10. Nc3 $11 {[%eval 5,15]}) (8... Bc5 9. Nc3 (9.
c4 h6 (9... Bb6 10. Nf3 $11 {[%eval 9,15]}) 10. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -1,15]}) (9.
Nf3 Nbd7 (9... h6 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -1,15]}) 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -1,15]}) 9...
Qe7 (9... a5 10. Nxe4 $11 {[%eval 11,15]}) 10. a3 $11 {[%eval 10,15]}) 9. Nf3 (
9. Nc3 Nbd7 (9... Bh7 10. Bd3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 10. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -15,15]
}) (9. c4 c5 (9... c6 10. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 10. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -20,15]
}) 9... Nbd7 (9... c6 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -13,15]})
(8. c4 h6 (8... Nc6 9. O-O h6 (9... Nb4 10. d3 $11 {[%eval 7,15]}) 10. Nf3 $11
{[%eval -9,15]}) (8... Nbd7 9. Nc3 (9. d3 Bb4+ (9... Bf5 10. O-O $11 {
[%eval 2,15]}) 10. Bc3 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) (9. O-O h6 (9... c6 10. d3 $11 {
[%eval 8,15]}) 10. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 9... c6 (9... Nc5 10. O-O $11 {
[%eval 0,15]}) 10. d3 $11 {[%eval -1,15]}) (8... Be7 9. O-O (9. Nf3 h6 (9...
Bf5 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 10. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) 9... h6 (9...
dxc4 10. bxc4 $11 {[%eval 11,15]}) 10. f5 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 9. Nc3 (9. Nf3 c5
(9... Nbd7 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -20,15]}) (9. O-O
c5 (9... c6 10. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 10. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -20,15]}) 9...
Bh7 (9... c6 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -15,15]}) (8.
Nf3 h6 (8... Nbd7 9. O-O (9. Nc3 Bg6 (9... Bf5 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -14,15]})
10. O-O $11 {[%eval -16,15]}) (9. c4 h6 (9... c6 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -11,15]})
10. O-O $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 9... h6 (9... c6 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 10.
c4 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (8... c6 9. c4 (9. O-O h6 (9... Nbd7 10. c4 $11 {
[%eval -11,15]}) 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (9. Nc3 Bg6 (9... Bxf3 10. Bxf3
$11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -14,15]}) 9... Nbd7 (9... h6 10. O-O
$11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) (8... c5 9. O-O (9. Nc3 Bg6
(9... Bf5 10. Nh4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 10. Nh4 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) (9. Na3 h6
(9... Nc6 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -25,15]}) 10. O-O $15 {[%eval -27,15]}) 9... Nc6
(9... Bg6 10. Nh4 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 10. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 9. O-O (
9. Nc3 Bh7 (9... Bg6 10. Bd3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -15,15]}
) (9. c4 c5 (9... c6 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -20,15]}
) 9... c6 (9... Bh7 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 10. c4 $11 {[%eval -13,15]})
8... Bf5 (8... Bg6 9. O-O (9. Nxg6 hxg6 (9... fxg6 10. O-O $11 {[%eval 9,15]})
10. O-O $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) (9. Bf3 Nc6 (9... Nbd7 10. O-O $11 {[%eval 6,15]})
10. Qe2 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 9... c6 (9... Nbd7 10. Nxg6 $11 {[%eval 12,15]})
10. c4 $11 {[%eval 11,15]}) (8... Bb4+ 9. c3 Bc5 10. dxe4 $14 {[%eval 47,15]})
9. a3 (9. O-O Nc6 (9... h6 10. a3 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 10. c4 $11 {
[%eval -7,15]}) (9. Nd2 Nc6 (9... h6 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {
[%eval -8,15]}) 9... h6 (9... a5 10. O-O $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 10. O-O $11 {
[%eval -6,15]} *
I understand this match was conceived on 30 min/move, but, in practice, most or all other games by users will not be restricted to such a short search time. As I said during the original match, I am still looking for the best ways to use DPA in combination with IA and IIA in games where you have days to chose a move.
This game has already shown major differences between the two approaches. DPA has produced moves that IA would never suggest. So far, I am happy with DPA's play, but there is the definite possibility that IA will use its ability to look deeper from the root to find some move sequence that DPA will totally miss.
As a general matter, perhaps DPA has better application early in the game, and IIA in the middle stages of the game. Based on my work over the past few days, it seems that DPA is better than IA in late endgame positions.
Do agree that Fritz 11 GUI does not show Mutipv_cp, because I haven't found it there, but I have found it in Aquarium?
Do agree that Fritz 11 GUI does not show Mutipv_cp, because I haven't found it there, but I have found it in Aquarium?
im surprised that DPA is better in endgames; i would actually think it would suffer there quite a bit. i've always figured search depth is a gigantic factor in engine endgame play. maybe with the amount of knowledge rybka has DPA works as well or better in letting it find a position it evaluates as favorable.
what's weird is rybka actually -does- switch to nh4, at depth 19 (on the run i just gave it) --
Rybka 3:
2 00:00 466 477.184 -0.15 Bf1d3
3 00:00 877 898.048 -0.06 Bf1d3
4 00:00 1.334 1.366.016 -0.09 Bf1d3
5 00:00 4.264 136.448 -0.16 Nb1c3 Nb8c6
5 00:00 4.927 157.664 -0.08 h2h3 OO
6 00:00 6.538 139.477 -0.07 h2h3 OO g2g4
7 00:00 10.980 175.680 -0.18 h2h3 OO g2g4 Bf5g6 Nb1c3
7 00:00 16.434 118.509 -0.13 Nf3d4 Bf5g6 Nb1c3 OO
8 00:00 22.056 130.551 -0.09 Nf3d4 Bf5g6 Bf1e2 OO OO
9 00:00 36.117 139.036 -0.17 Nf3d4 Bf5g6 Bf1e2 OO OO Nb8c6
9 00:00 45.664 135.930 -0.16 h2h3 OO g2g4 Bf5g6 Nb1c3 Nb8c6 Nc3b5
9 00:00 58.745 137.339 -0.07 Nb1c3 Nb8c6 Nc3b5 OO Bf1e2 a7a6
10 00:00 86.478 149.079 -0.12 Nb1c3 Nb8c6 Nc3b5 OO Bf1e2 Bd6c5 OO Nf6e4
11 00:00 117.915 154.603 -0.12 Nb1c3 Nb8c6 Nc3b5 OO Bf1e2 Bd6c5 OO Nf6e4
12 00:01 276.201 167.751 -0.06 Nb1c3 OO Bf1d3 c7c6 Bd3xf5 e6xf5 OO Nb8d7 Nc3e2 Rf8e8
13 00:02 382.534 168.407 -0.06 Nb1c3 OO Bf1d3 Bf5xd3 c2xd3 Nb8c6 OO a7a6 a2a3 Qd8e7 Qd1c2
14 00:04 709.782 169.975 -0.05 Nb1c3 OO Bf1d3 Bf5xd3 c2xd3 Nb8c6 OO e6e5 f4xe5 Nc6xe5 Nf3xe5 Bd6xe5 Bb2a3 Rf8e8 d3d4 Be5d6
15 00:08 1.447.275 173.659 -0.06 Nb1c3 OO Bf1d3 Bf5xd3 c2xd3 Nb8c6 OO e6e5 f4xe5 Nc6xe5 Nf3xe5 Bd6xe5 Qd1c1 c7c5 Nc3e2 Be5xb2 Qc1xb2 Rf8e8 d3d4
16 00:23 3.944.441 171.570 -0.06 Nb1c3 OO Bf1d3 Bf5xd3 c2xd3 Nb8c6 OO a7a6 Nc3e2 Qd8e7 a2a3 e6e5 Qd1c2 e5xf4 Ne2xf4 Bd6xf4 e3xf4 Ra8e8
17 00:39 6.811.853 177.851 -0.07 Nb1c3 OO Bf1d3 Bf5xd3 c2xd3 h7h6 OO Nb8d7 Qd1c2 c7c6 Nc3e2 Ra8c8 a2a3 Qd8c7 Ra1c1
18 02:02 21.241.948 177.823 -0.08 Nb1c3 OO Bf1d3 Bf5xd3 c2xd3 h7h6 OO Nb8d7 Qd1c2 c7c6 Nc3e2 Qd8c7 Ra1c1 Ra8c8 Bb2d4 Rf8e8
19 03:40 39.373.458 182.713 -0.09 Nb1c3 OO Bf1d3 Bf5xd3 c2xd3 h7h6 OO Nb8d7 Qd1c2 c7c6 Nc3e2 Qd8c7 Ra1b1 a7a5 Bb2d4 Ra8e8
19 06:54 76.713.982 189.562 -0.08 Nf3h4 OO Bf1e2 Bf5e4 d2d3 Be4f5 OO h7h6 c2c4 Bf5h7 Nh4f3 Nb8c6 Nb1c3 a7a6 d3d4
20 08:25 92.884.701 188.295 -0.09 Nf3h4 OO Bf1e2 Bf5e4 d2d3 Be4f5 OO h7h6 c2c4 Bf5h7 Nh4f3 Nb8c6 Nb1c3 a7a6 d3d4
because i've been curious about how rybka would handle this position as well, i ran it a couple days ago, & got the same result you did (no Nh4), but it's possible i just cut the analysis off too short. but yesterday it settled on Nh4 after just a couple minutes, & it wasn't because of processor usage because it was at d18.
if anything i would say that DPA is at least nice because it negates a lot of that apparent randomness; ie if i had been looking at rybka's top 10 moves in aquarium i don't think Nh4 would've even made the cut (until or unless it settled on it), yet DPA throws it out there immediately for consideration.
Rybka 3:
2 00:00 466 477.184 -0.15 Bf1d3
3 00:00 877 898.048 -0.06 Bf1d3
4 00:00 1.334 1.366.016 -0.09 Bf1d3
5 00:00 4.264 136.448 -0.16 Nb1c3 Nb8c6
5 00:00 4.927 157.664 -0.08 h2h3 OO
6 00:00 6.538 139.477 -0.07 h2h3 OO g2g4
7 00:00 10.980 175.680 -0.18 h2h3 OO g2g4 Bf5g6 Nb1c3
7 00:00 16.434 118.509 -0.13 Nf3d4 Bf5g6 Nb1c3 OO
8 00:00 22.056 130.551 -0.09 Nf3d4 Bf5g6 Bf1e2 OO OO
9 00:00 36.117 139.036 -0.17 Nf3d4 Bf5g6 Bf1e2 OO OO Nb8c6
9 00:00 45.664 135.930 -0.16 h2h3 OO g2g4 Bf5g6 Nb1c3 Nb8c6 Nc3b5
9 00:00 58.745 137.339 -0.07 Nb1c3 Nb8c6 Nc3b5 OO Bf1e2 a7a6
10 00:00 86.478 149.079 -0.12 Nb1c3 Nb8c6 Nc3b5 OO Bf1e2 Bd6c5 OO Nf6e4
11 00:00 117.915 154.603 -0.12 Nb1c3 Nb8c6 Nc3b5 OO Bf1e2 Bd6c5 OO Nf6e4
12 00:01 276.201 167.751 -0.06 Nb1c3 OO Bf1d3 c7c6 Bd3xf5 e6xf5 OO Nb8d7 Nc3e2 Rf8e8
13 00:02 382.534 168.407 -0.06 Nb1c3 OO Bf1d3 Bf5xd3 c2xd3 Nb8c6 OO a7a6 a2a3 Qd8e7 Qd1c2
14 00:04 709.782 169.975 -0.05 Nb1c3 OO Bf1d3 Bf5xd3 c2xd3 Nb8c6 OO e6e5 f4xe5 Nc6xe5 Nf3xe5 Bd6xe5 Bb2a3 Rf8e8 d3d4 Be5d6
15 00:08 1.447.275 173.659 -0.06 Nb1c3 OO Bf1d3 Bf5xd3 c2xd3 Nb8c6 OO e6e5 f4xe5 Nc6xe5 Nf3xe5 Bd6xe5 Qd1c1 c7c5 Nc3e2 Be5xb2 Qc1xb2 Rf8e8 d3d4
16 00:23 3.944.441 171.570 -0.06 Nb1c3 OO Bf1d3 Bf5xd3 c2xd3 Nb8c6 OO a7a6 Nc3e2 Qd8e7 a2a3 e6e5 Qd1c2 e5xf4 Ne2xf4 Bd6xf4 e3xf4 Ra8e8
17 00:39 6.811.853 177.851 -0.07 Nb1c3 OO Bf1d3 Bf5xd3 c2xd3 h7h6 OO Nb8d7 Qd1c2 c7c6 Nc3e2 Ra8c8 a2a3 Qd8c7 Ra1c1
18 02:02 21.241.948 177.823 -0.08 Nb1c3 OO Bf1d3 Bf5xd3 c2xd3 h7h6 OO Nb8d7 Qd1c2 c7c6 Nc3e2 Qd8c7 Ra1c1 Ra8c8 Bb2d4 Rf8e8
19 03:40 39.373.458 182.713 -0.09 Nb1c3 OO Bf1d3 Bf5xd3 c2xd3 h7h6 OO Nb8d7 Qd1c2 c7c6 Nc3e2 Qd8c7 Ra1b1 a7a5 Bb2d4 Ra8e8
19 06:54 76.713.982 189.562 -0.08 Nf3h4 OO Bf1e2 Bf5e4 d2d3 Be4f5 OO h7h6 c2c4 Bf5h7 Nh4f3 Nb8c6 Nb1c3 a7a6 d3d4
20 08:25 92.884.701 188.295 -0.09 Nf3h4 OO Bf1e2 Bf5e4 d2d3 Be4f5 OO h7h6 c2c4 Bf5h7 Nh4f3 Nb8c6 Nb1c3 a7a6 d3d4
because i've been curious about how rybka would handle this position as well, i ran it a couple days ago, & got the same result you did (no Nh4), but it's possible i just cut the analysis off too short. but yesterday it settled on Nh4 after just a couple minutes, & it wasn't because of processor usage because it was at d18.
if anything i would say that DPA is at least nice because it negates a lot of that apparent randomness; ie if i had been looking at rybka's top 10 moves in aquarium i don't think Nh4 would've even made the cut (until or unless it settled on it), yet DPA throws it out there immediately for consideration.
It's luck, due to MP randomness, on a Quad Rybka IA isn't a stable opponent.
For curiosity I run the position before black's O-O with a clear hash, and got wild results, sometimes O-O would appear from the beginning and then just drop, and most of the time Rybka wouldn't play it, so 6...O-O was played by luck, just like I expect most close moves to be played on this game.
And I suspect DPA does the same (i.e. Nh4 may not be the best move again if DPA is run with the exact same conditions, etc.)
For curiosity I run the position before black's O-O with a clear hash, and got wild results, sometimes O-O would appear from the beginning and then just drop, and most of the time Rybka wouldn't play it, so 6...O-O was played by luck, just like I expect most close moves to be played on this game.
And I suspect DPA does the same (i.e. Nh4 may not be the best move again if DPA is run with the exact same conditions, etc.)
>1) Reduce the branching from 5, 4, 3, 2 to maybe 4, 3, 3, 2, or
>2) Provide results at 30 minutes elapsed time, without regard to whether the processing has completed.
Ok, try the first one, if it still goes to more than 30 minutes consistently let's try the second method.
Well, let's not mind time much, if you were taking 30 minutes per move you'd be banking time by now, just, try to go into a 30-40 minutes ratio.
Time in bank before move: 47:18
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5
11.00 0:01 +0.04 8...Bf5 9.O-O Nc6 10.Bf3 Bc5 11.Nxf5 exf5 12.d4 Be7 (239.696) 134
12.01 0:04 +0.01 8...Bf5 9.O-O Re8 10.Nd2 Bc5 11.d4 Bf8 12.Ndf3 Nc6 (536.577) 135
13.01 0:05 0.00 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.Na3 Bc5 11.d4 Bxa3 12.Bxa3 Re8 (770.404) 136
14.01 0:09 -0.03 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.Na3 Bc5 11.d4 Bxa3 12.Bxa3 Re8 13.Rc1 Nc6 14.c4 Qd7 (1.273.567) 137
15.01 0:18 -0.07 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.Na3 Bc5 11.d4 Bxa3 12.Bxa3 Re8 13.Rc1 Nc6 14.c4 Qd7 15.Qd2 (2.449.112) 138
16.01 0:31 -0.06 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.Na3 Nc6 11.Nb5 Bc5 12.Nd4 Nxd4 13.exd4 Bd6 14.Nxf5 exf5 15.Qd2 Re8 16.Bf3 a5 (4.282.018) 138
17.01 1:23 -0.07 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.Qd2 Nbd7 11.Nxf5 exf5 12.Na3 c6 13.c4 Qb6 14.Nc2 dxc4 15.Bxf6 Nxf6 16.bxc4 Rae8 17.Rab1 Qc7 (11.554.158) 140
18.01 2:37 -0.07 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.a3 Bh7 11.Qe1 Nc6 12.b4 b5 13.Nf3 a5 14.Ne5 Ne7 (21.476.647) 139
19.01 5:35 -0.08 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.c4 Bh7 11.Nf3 Nbd7 12.Nc3 c6 13.d4 Qe7 14.Bd3 Bxd3 15.Qxd3 Bc7 16.Rac1 (46.498.430) 141
20.01 9:50 -0.08 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.c4 Bh7 11.Nf3 Nbd7 12.Nc3 c6 13.d4 Qe7 14.Bd3 Bxd3 15.Qxd3 Bc7 16.Rac1 Rac8 (83.711.892) 145
21.01 21:37 -0.07 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.c4 Bh7 11.Nf3 Nbd7 12.Nc3 c6 13.d4 Qe7 14.Bd3 Bxd3 15.Qxd3 Bc7 16.a4 Ba5 (185.013.336) 146
22.01 45:58 -0.08 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.c4 Bh7 11.Nf3 Nbd7 12.Nc3 c6 13.d4 Qe7 14.Bd3 Bxd3 15.Qxd3 Bb4 16.a3 (402.775.063) 149
best move: Be4-f5 time: 58:14.282 min n/s: 147.207 nodes: 502.308.864
Time in bank after move: 35:24
DPA is playing well, as good or better than IA, I still expect some tactic to kill it, if it does happen.
Time in bank before move: 47:18
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5
rn1q1rk1/ppp2ppp/3bpn2/3p1b2/5P1N/1P1PP3/PBP1B1PP/RN1QK2R w KQ -
11.00 0:01 +0.04 8...Bf5 9.O-O Nc6 10.Bf3 Bc5 11.Nxf5 exf5 12.d4 Be7 (239.696) 134
12.01 0:04 +0.01 8...Bf5 9.O-O Re8 10.Nd2 Bc5 11.d4 Bf8 12.Ndf3 Nc6 (536.577) 135
13.01 0:05 0.00 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.Na3 Bc5 11.d4 Bxa3 12.Bxa3 Re8 (770.404) 136
14.01 0:09 -0.03 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.Na3 Bc5 11.d4 Bxa3 12.Bxa3 Re8 13.Rc1 Nc6 14.c4 Qd7 (1.273.567) 137
15.01 0:18 -0.07 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.Na3 Bc5 11.d4 Bxa3 12.Bxa3 Re8 13.Rc1 Nc6 14.c4 Qd7 15.Qd2 (2.449.112) 138
16.01 0:31 -0.06 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.Na3 Nc6 11.Nb5 Bc5 12.Nd4 Nxd4 13.exd4 Bd6 14.Nxf5 exf5 15.Qd2 Re8 16.Bf3 a5 (4.282.018) 138
17.01 1:23 -0.07 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.Qd2 Nbd7 11.Nxf5 exf5 12.Na3 c6 13.c4 Qb6 14.Nc2 dxc4 15.Bxf6 Nxf6 16.bxc4 Rae8 17.Rab1 Qc7 (11.554.158) 140
18.01 2:37 -0.07 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.a3 Bh7 11.Qe1 Nc6 12.b4 b5 13.Nf3 a5 14.Ne5 Ne7 (21.476.647) 139
19.01 5:35 -0.08 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.c4 Bh7 11.Nf3 Nbd7 12.Nc3 c6 13.d4 Qe7 14.Bd3 Bxd3 15.Qxd3 Bc7 16.Rac1 (46.498.430) 141
20.01 9:50 -0.08 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.c4 Bh7 11.Nf3 Nbd7 12.Nc3 c6 13.d4 Qe7 14.Bd3 Bxd3 15.Qxd3 Bc7 16.Rac1 Rac8 (83.711.892) 145
21.01 21:37 -0.07 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.c4 Bh7 11.Nf3 Nbd7 12.Nc3 c6 13.d4 Qe7 14.Bd3 Bxd3 15.Qxd3 Bc7 16.a4 Ba5 (185.013.336) 146
22.01 45:58 -0.08 8...Bf5 9.O-O h6 10.c4 Bh7 11.Nf3 Nbd7 12.Nc3 c6 13.d4 Qe7 14.Bd3 Bxd3 15.Qxd3 Bb4 16.a3 (402.775.063) 149
best move: Be4-f5 time: 58:14.282 min n/s: 147.207 nodes: 502.308.864
Time in bank after move: 35:24
DPA is playing well, as good or better than IA, I still expect some tactic to kill it, if it does happen.
OK, 8...Bf5 was the expected move so this should be shorter (but I've been wrong before). I was hoping to get more of a benefit from PH. The book doesn't seem to be helping at all. Maybe it helps only if the moves are green, or maybe it was my imagination...
If it helps I was hoping Save/Load hash was more helpful, I calculate that it's saving me about 8 minutes per move, but in context that's not that much, I think Persistent Hash would save more (13-18 minutes, if you play the expected move anyway), too bad not being able to do the switches could allow the wrong move ordering bug to attack, and I might not finish even iteration 21...
Time taken: 15 minutes
I switched from a branching factor of 5-4-3-2 to 4-3-3-2 and this seemed like overkill. I'll try 5-3-3-2 on the next move.
9. O-O
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O
{2048MB, vytron.ctg, ATS-PENRYN} 1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O (9. a3 h6 (9... c6 10. O-O (10. Nd2
Bc5 (10... Nbd7 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 11. d4 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) (10.
c4 Nbd7 (10... h6 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -18,15]}) 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -18,15]})
10... Nbd7 (10... Bc5 11. d4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 11. Qe1 $11 {[%eval -10,15]})
(9... Nbd7 10. O-O (10. Nd2 h6 (10... c6 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 11. O-O
$11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (10. Nf3 h6 (10... c5 11. Ne5 $11 {[%eval -23,15]}) 11.
O-O $11 {[%eval -25,15]}) 10... c6 (10... Re8 11. Qe1 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 11.
Qe1 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) 10. O-O (10. Nd2 Bh7 (10... Nbd7 11. O-O $11 {
[%eval -13,15]}) 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (10. Nf3 Nbd7 (10... c6 11. O-O
$11 {[%eval -25,15]}) 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -25,15]}) 10... Bh7 (10... a5 11. Qe1
$11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 11. Qe1 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) (9. Qd2 Nc6 (9... h6 10. O-O
(10. Nc3 Bh7 (10... Nc6 11. Nb5 $11 {[%eval -2,15]}) 11. Nf3 $11 {
[%eval -13,15]}) (10. Na3 Bh7 (10... a6 11. c4 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 11. Nb5
$11 {[%eval -18,15]}) 10... Re8 (10... Qe7 11. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 11.
Na3 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) (9... a6 10. Bf3 (10. O-O Nc6 (10... Re8 11. Bf3 $11
{[%eval -4,15]}) 11. Bf3 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) (10. Nxf5 exf5 11. O-O $11 {
[%eval -12,15]}) 10... Nc6 (10... Bg4 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 11. O-O $11
{[%eval -4,15]}) 10. O-O (10. Bf3 Ng4 (10... Re8 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -15,15]})
11. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -19,15]}) (10. Nf3 Qe7 (10... Bc5 11. Nc3 $11 {
[%eval -14,15]}) 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -22,15]}) 10... Re8 (10... a6 11. Bf3 $11
{[%eval -6,15]}) 11. a3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (9. Nd2 h6 (9... Nc6 10. O-O (10.
Bf3 Bc5 (10... h6 11. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 11. d4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) (
10. a3 d4 (10... h6 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 11. e4 $11 {[%eval -21,15]})
10... h6 (10... Qe7 11. Ndf3 $11 {[%eval 2,15]}) 11. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -4,15]})
(9... Bc5 10. d4 (10. Nxf5 exf5 11. d4 $11 {[%eval -17,15]}) (10. g4 Nxg4 11.
Nxf5 $19 {[%eval -184,15]}) 10... Bd6 (10... Bb4 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -3,15]})
11. O-O $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) 10. O-O (10. a3 Bh7 (10... Nbd7 11. O-O $11 {
[%eval -13,15]}) 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (10. Ndf3 Bh7 (10... Nc6 11.
Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -22,15]}) 10... Bh7 (10... Nc6
11. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 11. a3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 9... h6 (9... Nc6
10. a3 (10. Bf3 h6 (10... Re8 11. c4 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 11. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval -9,15]}) (10. Nd2 h6 (10... Qe7 11. Ndf3 $11 {[%eval 2,15]}) 11. Nxf5
$11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 10... h6 (10... Re8 11. Nd2 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 11. b4 $11
{[%eval -3,15]}) (9... Re8 10. Nd2 (10. c4 Nc6 (10... h6 11. Na3 $11 {
[%eval 0,15]}) 11. Na3 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) (10. a3 Nbd7 (10... Bc5 11. d4 $11 {
[%eval -6,15]}) 11. Qe1 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 10... Bc5 (10... Nc6 11. Ndf3 $11
{[%eval 3,15]}) 11. d4 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 10. c4 (10. Qe1 Nc6 (10... Bh7 11.
a3 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 11. a3 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) (10. a3 Bh7 (10... a5 11.
Qe1 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 11. Qe1 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) 10... Bh7 (10... Nc6 11.
d4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 11. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]} *
I switched from a branching factor of 5-4-3-2 to 4-3-3-2 and this seemed like overkill. I'll try 5-3-3-2 on the next move.
9. O-O
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O
{2048MB, vytron.ctg, ATS-PENRYN} 1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O (9. a3 h6 (9... c6 10. O-O (10. Nd2
Bc5 (10... Nbd7 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 11. d4 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) (10.
c4 Nbd7 (10... h6 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -18,15]}) 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -18,15]})
10... Nbd7 (10... Bc5 11. d4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 11. Qe1 $11 {[%eval -10,15]})
(9... Nbd7 10. O-O (10. Nd2 h6 (10... c6 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 11. O-O
$11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (10. Nf3 h6 (10... c5 11. Ne5 $11 {[%eval -23,15]}) 11.
O-O $11 {[%eval -25,15]}) 10... c6 (10... Re8 11. Qe1 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 11.
Qe1 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) 10. O-O (10. Nd2 Bh7 (10... Nbd7 11. O-O $11 {
[%eval -13,15]}) 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (10. Nf3 Nbd7 (10... c6 11. O-O
$11 {[%eval -25,15]}) 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -25,15]}) 10... Bh7 (10... a5 11. Qe1
$11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 11. Qe1 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) (9. Qd2 Nc6 (9... h6 10. O-O
(10. Nc3 Bh7 (10... Nc6 11. Nb5 $11 {[%eval -2,15]}) 11. Nf3 $11 {
[%eval -13,15]}) (10. Na3 Bh7 (10... a6 11. c4 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 11. Nb5
$11 {[%eval -18,15]}) 10... Re8 (10... Qe7 11. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 11.
Na3 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) (9... a6 10. Bf3 (10. O-O Nc6 (10... Re8 11. Bf3 $11
{[%eval -4,15]}) 11. Bf3 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) (10. Nxf5 exf5 11. O-O $11 {
[%eval -12,15]}) 10... Nc6 (10... Bg4 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 11. O-O $11
{[%eval -4,15]}) 10. O-O (10. Bf3 Ng4 (10... Re8 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -15,15]})
11. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -19,15]}) (10. Nf3 Qe7 (10... Bc5 11. Nc3 $11 {
[%eval -14,15]}) 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -22,15]}) 10... Re8 (10... a6 11. Bf3 $11
{[%eval -6,15]}) 11. a3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (9. Nd2 h6 (9... Nc6 10. O-O (10.
Bf3 Bc5 (10... h6 11. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 11. d4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) (
10. a3 d4 (10... h6 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 11. e4 $11 {[%eval -21,15]})
10... h6 (10... Qe7 11. Ndf3 $11 {[%eval 2,15]}) 11. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -4,15]})
(9... Bc5 10. d4 (10. Nxf5 exf5 11. d4 $11 {[%eval -17,15]}) (10. g4 Nxg4 11.
Nxf5 $19 {[%eval -184,15]}) 10... Bd6 (10... Bb4 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -3,15]})
11. O-O $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) 10. O-O (10. a3 Bh7 (10... Nbd7 11. O-O $11 {
[%eval -13,15]}) 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (10. Ndf3 Bh7 (10... Nc6 11.
Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 11. O-O $11 {[%eval -22,15]}) 10... Bh7 (10... Nc6
11. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 11. a3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 9... h6 (9... Nc6
10. a3 (10. Bf3 h6 (10... Re8 11. c4 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 11. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval -9,15]}) (10. Nd2 h6 (10... Qe7 11. Ndf3 $11 {[%eval 2,15]}) 11. Nxf5
$11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 10... h6 (10... Re8 11. Nd2 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 11. b4 $11
{[%eval -3,15]}) (9... Re8 10. Nd2 (10. c4 Nc6 (10... h6 11. Na3 $11 {
[%eval 0,15]}) 11. Na3 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) (10. a3 Nbd7 (10... Bc5 11. d4 $11 {
[%eval -6,15]}) 11. Qe1 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 10... Bc5 (10... Nc6 11. Ndf3 $11
{[%eval 3,15]}) 11. d4 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 10. c4 (10. Qe1 Nc6 (10... Bh7 11.
a3 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 11. a3 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) (10. a3 Bh7 (10... a5 11.
Qe1 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 11. Qe1 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) 10... Bh7 (10... Nc6 11.
d4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 11. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]} *
Are you guys using Rybka 3 32-bit, Dynamic or what? IMHO, you should be using the same setting. Don't forgot this is a scientific test. (!)
Rybka 3 = Rybka 3 MP 64bit (the others say 1CPU or 32bit.)
We're using the best setting, otherwise this could be unfair for the side using the wrong setting. Deleted is using Persistent Hash because it should speed him up, he's not using Save/Load hash because it wouldn't make sense. I'm using Save/Load hash because that gives me higher depth in the same time, I'm not using persistent hash because once a bug hits, it's as if I only run the analysis for a few minutes instead of +40 (bugs that can be avoided by switching to MultiPV, exactly what DPA is doing.)
Anyway, the banked time could help in this move.
> IMHO, you should be using the same setting.
We're using the best setting, otherwise this could be unfair for the side using the wrong setting. Deleted is using Persistent Hash because it should speed him up, he's not using Save/Load hash because it wouldn't make sense. I'm using Save/Load hash because that gives me higher depth in the same time, I'm not using persistent hash because once a bug hits, it's as if I only run the analysis for a few minutes instead of +40 (bugs that can be avoided by switching to MultiPV, exactly what DPA is doing.)
Anyway, the banked time could help in this move.
Time for this move: 58:35 (23:11 of scale + 35:24 of bank)
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6
10.00 0:01 -0.01 9...Nbd7 10.c4 c6 11.Qd2 Re8 12.Nc3 Qa5 (165.111) 135
11.00 0:02 +0.03 9...Nbd7 10.c4 h6 11.Nxf5 exf5 12.Na3 Qe7 13.Nc2 Rae8 14.Qd2 (291.029) 138
11.02 0:04 -0.03 9...h6 10.Na3 Nc6 11.Nb5 Bc5 12.Nxf5 exf5 13.d4 Bb6 14.Bf3 a6 (560.313) 143
12.01 0:05 -0.07 9...h6 10.Na3 Nc6 11.Nb5 Bc5 12.Nxf5 exf5 13.d4 Bb6 14.Bf3 a6 (713.769) 144
13.01 0:08 -0.08 9...h6 10.Na3 Nc6 11.Nb5 Bc5 12.Nd4 Nxd4 13.exd4 Bd6 14.c4 Bh7 15.c5 (1.210.666) 146
14.01 0:29 -0.08 9...h6 10.Qe1 Nc6 11.Qg3 Bh7 12.Nf3 Bc5 13.Ne5 Ne7 14.Qf3 Nd7 15.Nc3 Nf5 (3.970.750) 136
15.01 0:34 -0.10 9...h6 10.a3 Bh7 11.Qe1 Bc5 12.Qf2 Nbd7 13.Nd2 c6 14.Rae1 Qb6 15.Bd1 (4.580.609) 136
16.01 1:16 -0.08 9...h6 10.Qd2 Qe7 11.c4 Bh7 12.Nf3 Nbd7 13.Nc3 c6 14.d4 Bf5 15.c5 Bc7 (10.643.156) 141
17.01 1:56 -0.09 9...h6 10.Qd2 Qe7 11.c4 Bh7 12.Nf3 Nbd7 13.Nc3 c6 14.d4 Bf5 15.c5 Bc7 16.b4 Rae8 (16.270.271) 143
18.01 3:22 -0.09 9...h6 10.Qd2 Re8 11.Na3 c6 12.c4 Bh7 13.Nf3 Nbd7 14.Ne5 Qc7 15.Nxd7 Nxd7 16.cxd5 exd5 17.Nc2 a5 18.Rac1 Bg6 19.Bd4 b5 (29.706.713) 150
19.01 4:53 -0.09 9...h6 10.Qd2 Re8 11.Na3 c6 12.c4 Bh7 13.Nf3 Nbd7 14.Ne5 Qc7 15.Nxd7 Nxd7 16.cxd5 exd5 17.Nc2 a5 18.Rac1 Bg6 19.Bd4 b5 (43.805.714) 152
20.01 19:10 -0.07 9...h6 10.c4 Nc6 11.Na3 Bh7 12.Nc2 Qe7 13.Nf3 dxc4 14.bxc4 Rfd8 15.Qd2 a5 16.Rab1 Nb4 17.Bd4 Nd7 (163.982.230) 145
best move: h7-h6 time: 26:56.500 min n/s: 143.989 nodes: 227.282.124
Remaining bank: 31:38.5
The branching factor exploded from 5 minutes (1.25) to 27 minutes (5.4), so I stopped it early.
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6
rn1q1rk1/ppp2pp1/3bpn1p/3p1b2/5P1N/1P1PP3/PBP1B1PP/RN1Q1RK1 w - -
10.00 0:01 -0.01 9...Nbd7 10.c4 c6 11.Qd2 Re8 12.Nc3 Qa5 (165.111) 135
11.00 0:02 +0.03 9...Nbd7 10.c4 h6 11.Nxf5 exf5 12.Na3 Qe7 13.Nc2 Rae8 14.Qd2 (291.029) 138
11.02 0:04 -0.03 9...h6 10.Na3 Nc6 11.Nb5 Bc5 12.Nxf5 exf5 13.d4 Bb6 14.Bf3 a6 (560.313) 143
12.01 0:05 -0.07 9...h6 10.Na3 Nc6 11.Nb5 Bc5 12.Nxf5 exf5 13.d4 Bb6 14.Bf3 a6 (713.769) 144
13.01 0:08 -0.08 9...h6 10.Na3 Nc6 11.Nb5 Bc5 12.Nd4 Nxd4 13.exd4 Bd6 14.c4 Bh7 15.c5 (1.210.666) 146
14.01 0:29 -0.08 9...h6 10.Qe1 Nc6 11.Qg3 Bh7 12.Nf3 Bc5 13.Ne5 Ne7 14.Qf3 Nd7 15.Nc3 Nf5 (3.970.750) 136
15.01 0:34 -0.10 9...h6 10.a3 Bh7 11.Qe1 Bc5 12.Qf2 Nbd7 13.Nd2 c6 14.Rae1 Qb6 15.Bd1 (4.580.609) 136
16.01 1:16 -0.08 9...h6 10.Qd2 Qe7 11.c4 Bh7 12.Nf3 Nbd7 13.Nc3 c6 14.d4 Bf5 15.c5 Bc7 (10.643.156) 141
17.01 1:56 -0.09 9...h6 10.Qd2 Qe7 11.c4 Bh7 12.Nf3 Nbd7 13.Nc3 c6 14.d4 Bf5 15.c5 Bc7 16.b4 Rae8 (16.270.271) 143
18.01 3:22 -0.09 9...h6 10.Qd2 Re8 11.Na3 c6 12.c4 Bh7 13.Nf3 Nbd7 14.Ne5 Qc7 15.Nxd7 Nxd7 16.cxd5 exd5 17.Nc2 a5 18.Rac1 Bg6 19.Bd4 b5 (29.706.713) 150
19.01 4:53 -0.09 9...h6 10.Qd2 Re8 11.Na3 c6 12.c4 Bh7 13.Nf3 Nbd7 14.Ne5 Qc7 15.Nxd7 Nxd7 16.cxd5 exd5 17.Nc2 a5 18.Rac1 Bg6 19.Bd4 b5 (43.805.714) 152
20.01 19:10 -0.07 9...h6 10.c4 Nc6 11.Na3 Bh7 12.Nc2 Qe7 13.Nf3 dxc4 14.bxc4 Rfd8 15.Qd2 a5 16.Rab1 Nb4 17.Bd4 Nd7 (163.982.230) 145
best move: h7-h6 time: 26:56.500 min n/s: 143.989 nodes: 227.282.124
Remaining bank: 31:38.5
The branching factor exploded from 5 minutes (1.25) to 27 minutes (5.4), so I stopped it early.
Time for this move: 22 minutes
Branching: 4-3-3-2
10. c4
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4
{2048MB, vytron.ctg, ATS-PENRYN} 1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 (10. a3 Nbd7 (10... Qe7
11. c4 (11. Qc1 a5 (11... Bh7 12. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 12. Nd2 $11 {
[%eval -16,15]}) (11. Qe1 Nbd7 (11... a5 12. Qg3 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 12. Nf3
$11 {[%eval -15,15]}) 11... Nbd7 (11... c6 12. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 12. Nc3
$11 {[%eval -14,15]}) (10... a5 11. Nxf5 (11. c4 Bh7 (11... c6 12. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval -4,15]}) 12. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) (11. Qe1 Nc6 (11... Re8 12. Qg3
$11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 12. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 11... exf5 12. Bf3 $11 {
[%eval -6,15]}) 11. h3 (11. Nd2 Bh7 (11... c6 12. Qe1 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 12.
Ndf3 $11 {[%eval -19,15]}) (11. Qe1 Re8 (11... Qe7 12. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -15,15]}
) 12. Qg3 $11 {[%eval -16,15]}) 11... a5 (11... Re8 12. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -14,15]
}) 12. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -14,15]}) (10. Qd2 Qe7 (10... Re8 11. Na3 (11. c4 Nc6 (
11... Nbd7 12. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 12. Qc1 $11 {[%eval -20,15]}) (11. Nf3
Nbd7 (11... Nc6 12. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 12. Ne5 $11 {[%eval -17,15]})
11... c6 (11... Bh7 12. Nb5 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 12. c4 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) (
10... Bh7 11. Nf3 (11. c4 Nc6 (11... Nbd7 12. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -14,15]}) 12. Nf3
$11 {[%eval -15,15]}) (11. Qe1 c5 (11... Bc5 12. Qf2 $11 {[%eval -23,15]}) 12.
Qg3 $11 {[%eval -24,15]}) 11... Nbd7 (11... c6 12. Ne5 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 12.
Ne5 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 11. c4 (11. Nxf5 exf5 12. Bxf6 $11 {[%eval -18,15]}) (
11. Qe1 Nc6 (11... Nbd7 12. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -14,15]}) 12. Qg3 $11 {
[%eval -16,15]}) 11... Bh7 (11... Nbd7 12. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) 12. Nf3
$11 {[%eval -10,15]}) (10. Qe1 Nc6 (10... Bh7 11. a3 (11. Nf3 Bc5 (11... Nc6
12. Qf2 $11 {[%eval -2,15]}) 12. Qd2 $11 {[%eval -14,15]}) (11. Qg3 Nc6 (11...
Bc5 12. a3 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 12. a3 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 11... Nc6 (11...
c5 12. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) 12. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) (10... Bc5 11. d4
(11. Nxf5 exf5 12. d4 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) (11. Qg3 Bh7 (11... Nc6 12. a3 $11 {
[%eval -4,15]}) 12. a3 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 11... Bd6 (11... Be7 12. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval -2,15]}) 12. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) 11. Qg3 (11. a3 a5 (11... Bh7 12.
Nf3 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 12. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) (11. Qf2 Qe7 (11... Bc5
12. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 12. Qg3 $11 {[%eval -16,15]}) 11... Bh7 (11...
Bc5 12. a3 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 12. a3 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 10... Nc6 (10...
Bh7 11. Nf3 (11. Na3 Nbd7 (11... c6 12. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 12. Nf3 $11 {
[%eval -13,15]}) (11. Qd2 Nc6 (11... Nbd7 12. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -14,15]}) 12. Nf3
$11 {[%eval -15,15]}) 11... Nbd7 (11... c6 12. Ne5 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 12. Qe1
$11 {[%eval -1,15]}) (10... c6 11. Nxf5 (11. Qe1 Na6 (11... Bh7 12. Nf3 $11 {
[%eval -7,15]}) 12. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) (11. Nc3 Bh7 (11... Re8 12. Rc1
$11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 12. d4 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 11... exf5 12. Be5 $11 {
[%eval -5,15]}) 11. d4 (11. Na3 Bh7 (11... d4 12. e4 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 12.
Nc2 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) (11. Nc3 Bh7 (11... d4 12. Nb5 $11 {[%eval 0,15]})
12. d4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 11... dxc4 (11... Bh7 12. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -6,15]})
12. bxc4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]} *
Branching: 4-3-3-2
10. c4
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4
{2048MB, vytron.ctg, ATS-PENRYN} 1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 (10. a3 Nbd7 (10... Qe7
11. c4 (11. Qc1 a5 (11... Bh7 12. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 12. Nd2 $11 {
[%eval -16,15]}) (11. Qe1 Nbd7 (11... a5 12. Qg3 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 12. Nf3
$11 {[%eval -15,15]}) 11... Nbd7 (11... c6 12. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 12. Nc3
$11 {[%eval -14,15]}) (10... a5 11. Nxf5 (11. c4 Bh7 (11... c6 12. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval -4,15]}) 12. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) (11. Qe1 Nc6 (11... Re8 12. Qg3
$11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 12. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 11... exf5 12. Bf3 $11 {
[%eval -6,15]}) 11. h3 (11. Nd2 Bh7 (11... c6 12. Qe1 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 12.
Ndf3 $11 {[%eval -19,15]}) (11. Qe1 Re8 (11... Qe7 12. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -15,15]}
) 12. Qg3 $11 {[%eval -16,15]}) 11... a5 (11... Re8 12. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -14,15]
}) 12. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -14,15]}) (10. Qd2 Qe7 (10... Re8 11. Na3 (11. c4 Nc6 (
11... Nbd7 12. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 12. Qc1 $11 {[%eval -20,15]}) (11. Nf3
Nbd7 (11... Nc6 12. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 12. Ne5 $11 {[%eval -17,15]})
11... c6 (11... Bh7 12. Nb5 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 12. c4 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) (
10... Bh7 11. Nf3 (11. c4 Nc6 (11... Nbd7 12. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -14,15]}) 12. Nf3
$11 {[%eval -15,15]}) (11. Qe1 c5 (11... Bc5 12. Qf2 $11 {[%eval -23,15]}) 12.
Qg3 $11 {[%eval -24,15]}) 11... Nbd7 (11... c6 12. Ne5 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 12.
Ne5 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 11. c4 (11. Nxf5 exf5 12. Bxf6 $11 {[%eval -18,15]}) (
11. Qe1 Nc6 (11... Nbd7 12. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -14,15]}) 12. Qg3 $11 {
[%eval -16,15]}) 11... Bh7 (11... Nbd7 12. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) 12. Nf3
$11 {[%eval -10,15]}) (10. Qe1 Nc6 (10... Bh7 11. a3 (11. Nf3 Bc5 (11... Nc6
12. Qf2 $11 {[%eval -2,15]}) 12. Qd2 $11 {[%eval -14,15]}) (11. Qg3 Nc6 (11...
Bc5 12. a3 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 12. a3 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 11... Nc6 (11...
c5 12. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) 12. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) (10... Bc5 11. d4
(11. Nxf5 exf5 12. d4 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) (11. Qg3 Bh7 (11... Nc6 12. a3 $11 {
[%eval -4,15]}) 12. a3 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 11... Bd6 (11... Be7 12. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval -2,15]}) 12. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) 11. Qg3 (11. a3 a5 (11... Bh7 12.
Nf3 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 12. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) (11. Qf2 Qe7 (11... Bc5
12. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 12. Qg3 $11 {[%eval -16,15]}) 11... Bh7 (11...
Bc5 12. a3 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 12. a3 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 10... Nc6 (10...
Bh7 11. Nf3 (11. Na3 Nbd7 (11... c6 12. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 12. Nf3 $11 {
[%eval -13,15]}) (11. Qd2 Nc6 (11... Nbd7 12. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -14,15]}) 12. Nf3
$11 {[%eval -15,15]}) 11... Nbd7 (11... c6 12. Ne5 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 12. Qe1
$11 {[%eval -1,15]}) (10... c6 11. Nxf5 (11. Qe1 Na6 (11... Bh7 12. Nf3 $11 {
[%eval -7,15]}) 12. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) (11. Nc3 Bh7 (11... Re8 12. Rc1
$11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 12. d4 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 11... exf5 12. Be5 $11 {
[%eval -5,15]}) 11. d4 (11. Na3 Bh7 (11... d4 12. e4 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 12.
Nc2 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) (11. Nc3 Bh7 (11... d4 12. Nb5 $11 {[%eval 0,15]})
12. d4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 11... dxc4 (11... Bh7 12. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -6,15]})
12. bxc4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]} *
Most of the time was wasted examining Nc6 (and Bh7 since it wasn't played), but finally we have a last minute change of move choice.
Time for this move: 1:05:37.5 (33:59 of scale + 31:38.5 of bank)
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6
11.02 0:01 -0.08 10...Bh7 11.Nc3 Nc6 12.Nf3 Qe7 13.Qd2 a6 14.Rac1 (224.298) 134
12.01 0:02 -0.09 10...Bh7 11.Nc3 Nc6 12.Nf3 Qe7 13.Qd2 a6 14.Rac1 Rfe8 (289.983) 135
13.01 0:04 -0.10 10...Bh7 11.Nc3 Nc6 12.Nf3 Ne7 13.Nd4 c6 14.Qd2 Nf5 15.Na4 (532.358) 136
14.01 0:07 -0.09 10...Bh7 11.Nc3 Nc6 12.Nf3 Ne7 13.Qd2 Nf5 14.Nd4 Nxd4 15.exd4 c6 16.c5 Bc7 (940.076) 136
15.01 0:25 -0.05 10...Bh7 11.Nf3 Nc6 12.Nc3 Ne7 13.Qd2 Nf5 14.Nd4 Nxd4 15.exd4 c6 16.c5 Bc7 17.Bf3 Qe7 (3.503.660) 138
16.01 0:46 -0.05 10...Bh7 11.Nf3 Nc6 12.Nc3 Ne7 13.Qd2 Nf5 14.Nd4 Nxd4 15.exd4 c6 16.c5 Bc7 17.Bf3 Qe7 (6.418.014) 142
17.01 1:38 -0.09 10...Bh7 11.Nf3 Nc6 12.Nc3 Ne7 13.Qd2 Nf5 14.Nd4 Nxd4 15.exd4 b6 16.Nb5 Be7 17.Bf3 c6 (13.480.408) 140
18.01 2:57 -0.07 10...Bh7 11.Nf3 Nc6 12.Ne5 Bxe5 13.fxe5 Nd7 14.cxd5 exd5 15.d4 Nb4 16.Nc3 Nc2 17.Nxd5 Nb6 18.Nxb6 axb6 19.Qd2 Nxa1 20.Bxa1 Qg5 21.Rf4 (24.556.643) 141
19.01 13:02 -0.05 10...Bh7 11.Nf3 Nbd7 12.Ne5 c6 13.Qe1 Be7 14.Qg3 Nxe5 15.fxe5 Nd7 16.d4 Rc8 17.Nc3 Bg6 18.a3 (109.567.388) 143
20.01 25:38 -0.03 10...Bh7 11.Nf3 Nbd7 12.Ne5 Be7 13.Nc3 c6 14.Rc1 Qb6 15.d4 Rad8 (220.534.719) 146
20.03 59:51 -0.04 10...c6 11.Qe1 Na6 12.d4 dxc4 13.bxc4 Bh7 14.Nc3 Nb4 15.Qd2 c5 16.Rad1 cxd4 17.exd4 Qe7 18.Nf3 Rad8 (545.179.987) 155
best move: c7-c6 time: 61:41.250 min n/s: 155.639 nodes: 562.534.809
Remaining bank: 3:57
Time for this move: 1:05:37.5 (33:59 of scale + 31:38.5 of bank)
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6
rn1q1rk1/pp3pp1/2pbpn1p/3p1b2/2P2P1N/1P1PP3/PB2B1PP/RN1Q1RK1 w - -
11.02 0:01 -0.08 10...Bh7 11.Nc3 Nc6 12.Nf3 Qe7 13.Qd2 a6 14.Rac1 (224.298) 134
12.01 0:02 -0.09 10...Bh7 11.Nc3 Nc6 12.Nf3 Qe7 13.Qd2 a6 14.Rac1 Rfe8 (289.983) 135
13.01 0:04 -0.10 10...Bh7 11.Nc3 Nc6 12.Nf3 Ne7 13.Nd4 c6 14.Qd2 Nf5 15.Na4 (532.358) 136
14.01 0:07 -0.09 10...Bh7 11.Nc3 Nc6 12.Nf3 Ne7 13.Qd2 Nf5 14.Nd4 Nxd4 15.exd4 c6 16.c5 Bc7 (940.076) 136
15.01 0:25 -0.05 10...Bh7 11.Nf3 Nc6 12.Nc3 Ne7 13.Qd2 Nf5 14.Nd4 Nxd4 15.exd4 c6 16.c5 Bc7 17.Bf3 Qe7 (3.503.660) 138
16.01 0:46 -0.05 10...Bh7 11.Nf3 Nc6 12.Nc3 Ne7 13.Qd2 Nf5 14.Nd4 Nxd4 15.exd4 c6 16.c5 Bc7 17.Bf3 Qe7 (6.418.014) 142
17.01 1:38 -0.09 10...Bh7 11.Nf3 Nc6 12.Nc3 Ne7 13.Qd2 Nf5 14.Nd4 Nxd4 15.exd4 b6 16.Nb5 Be7 17.Bf3 c6 (13.480.408) 140
18.01 2:57 -0.07 10...Bh7 11.Nf3 Nc6 12.Ne5 Bxe5 13.fxe5 Nd7 14.cxd5 exd5 15.d4 Nb4 16.Nc3 Nc2 17.Nxd5 Nb6 18.Nxb6 axb6 19.Qd2 Nxa1 20.Bxa1 Qg5 21.Rf4 (24.556.643) 141
19.01 13:02 -0.05 10...Bh7 11.Nf3 Nbd7 12.Ne5 c6 13.Qe1 Be7 14.Qg3 Nxe5 15.fxe5 Nd7 16.d4 Rc8 17.Nc3 Bg6 18.a3 (109.567.388) 143
20.01 25:38 -0.03 10...Bh7 11.Nf3 Nbd7 12.Ne5 Be7 13.Nc3 c6 14.Rc1 Qb6 15.d4 Rad8 (220.534.719) 146
20.03 59:51 -0.04 10...c6 11.Qe1 Na6 12.d4 dxc4 13.bxc4 Bh7 14.Nc3 Nb4 15.Qd2 c5 16.Rad1 cxd4 17.exd4 Qe7 18.Nf3 Rad8 (545.179.987) 155
best move: c7-c6 time: 61:41.250 min n/s: 155.639 nodes: 562.534.809
Remaining bank: 3:57
Time Consumed: 37 minutes
11. NXf5
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6 11. Nxf5
Nc3 got the same evaluation as Nxf5 (-0.08). Qe1 and Qd2 were considered, but evaluated lower. Seems like reasonable play from both sides so far...
{2048MB, vytron.ctg, ATS-PENRYN} 1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6 11. Nxf5 (11. Qd2 Bh7 (
11... Re8 12. Be5 (12. Na3 Bh7 (12... Bg4 13. Bxg4 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 13. Nf3
$11 {[%eval -12,15]}) (12. Nc3 Bh7 (12... Qe7 13. cxd5 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 13.
Nf3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 12... Bh7 (12... Be7 13. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 13.
Nc3 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) (11... Qe7 12. Nxf5 (12. Bxf6 Qxf6 13. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval -9,15]}) (12. Nc3 Bh7 (12... Re8 13. cxd5 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 13. Nf3
$11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 12... exf5 13. Bxf6 $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 12. Nf3 (12. Nc3
a5 (12... Nbd7 13. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 13. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (12.
Qc1 Nbd7 (12... Re8 13. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -20,15]}) 13. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -22,15]})
12... Nbd7 (12... Re8 13. Bxf6 $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 13. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]
}) (11. Nc3 Re8 (11... Bh7 12. d4 (12. Nf3 dxc4 (12... Nbd7 13. d4 $11 {
[%eval -5,15]}) 13. dxc4 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) (12. Qd2 Nbd7 (12... a5 13. Nf3
$11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 13. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 12... Ne4 (12... Nbd7 13.
Nf3 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) 13. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) (11... Qd7 12. cxd5 (12.
Nxf5 exf5 13. Qd2 $11 {[%eval 2,15]}) (12. Qe1 Bh7 (12... Be7 13. Qg3 $11 {
[%eval 13,15]}) 13. Qg3 $11 {[%eval 5,15]}) 12... cxd5 (12... Nxd5 13. Rf3 $11
{[%eval 20,15]}) 13. Rc1 $11 {[%eval 10,15]}) 12. Qd2 (12. Rc1 Bh7 (12... Qe7
13. Qe1 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 13. d4 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (12. Nxf5 exf5 13.
Rf3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 12... Bh7 (12... Qe7 13. cxd5 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 13.
Nf3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) (11. Qe1 Nbd7 (11... Na6 12. Nc3 (12. d4 dxc4 (12...
Bb4 13. Qd1 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 13. bxc4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) (12. Qg3 Bh7 (
12... dxc4 13. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 13. Rd1 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 12... Bh7
(12... Bc5 13. d4 $11 {[%eval 4,15]}) 13. Rd1 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) (11... Bh7
12. Nf3 (12. Nc3 Nbd7 (12... Re8 13. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 13. d4 $11 {
[%eval -12,15]}) (12. Qg3 Nbd7 (12... dxc4 13. bxc4 $11 {[%eval -17,15]}) 13.
Nf3 $11 {[%eval -17,15]}) 12... Na6 (12... Nbd7 13. Ne5 $11 {[%eval -2,15]})
13. Qd2 $11 {[%eval -2,15]}) 12. Nc3 (12. Nd2 Bh7 (12... Bc5 13. Qg3 $11 {
[%eval -11,15]}) 13. Nhf3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (12. cxd5 cxd5 13. Nc3 $11 {
[%eval -17,15]}) 12... Bh7 (12... dxc4 13. bxc4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 13. d4 $11
{[%eval -12,15]}) 11... exf5 12. Be5 (12. Qd2 Re8 (12... Qe7 13. Bxf6 $11 {
[%eval -3,15]}) 13. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -19,15]}) (12. Nc3 Qe7 (12... Re8 13. Rf3
$11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 13. Rf3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 12... Be7 (12... Re8 13. d4
$11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 13. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]} *
11. NXf5
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6 11. Nxf5
Nc3 got the same evaluation as Nxf5 (-0.08). Qe1 and Qd2 were considered, but evaluated lower. Seems like reasonable play from both sides so far...
{2048MB, vytron.ctg, ATS-PENRYN} 1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6 11. Nxf5 (11. Qd2 Bh7 (
11... Re8 12. Be5 (12. Na3 Bh7 (12... Bg4 13. Bxg4 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 13. Nf3
$11 {[%eval -12,15]}) (12. Nc3 Bh7 (12... Qe7 13. cxd5 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 13.
Nf3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 12... Bh7 (12... Be7 13. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 13.
Nc3 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) (11... Qe7 12. Nxf5 (12. Bxf6 Qxf6 13. Nxf5 $11 {
[%eval -9,15]}) (12. Nc3 Bh7 (12... Re8 13. cxd5 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 13. Nf3
$11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 12... exf5 13. Bxf6 $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 12. Nf3 (12. Nc3
a5 (12... Nbd7 13. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 13. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (12.
Qc1 Nbd7 (12... Re8 13. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -20,15]}) 13. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -22,15]})
12... Nbd7 (12... Re8 13. Bxf6 $11 {[%eval -3,15]}) 13. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]
}) (11. Nc3 Re8 (11... Bh7 12. d4 (12. Nf3 dxc4 (12... Nbd7 13. d4 $11 {
[%eval -5,15]}) 13. dxc4 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) (12. Qd2 Nbd7 (12... a5 13. Nf3
$11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 13. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 12... Ne4 (12... Nbd7 13.
Nf3 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) 13. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) (11... Qd7 12. cxd5 (12.
Nxf5 exf5 13. Qd2 $11 {[%eval 2,15]}) (12. Qe1 Bh7 (12... Be7 13. Qg3 $11 {
[%eval 13,15]}) 13. Qg3 $11 {[%eval 5,15]}) 12... cxd5 (12... Nxd5 13. Rf3 $11
{[%eval 20,15]}) 13. Rc1 $11 {[%eval 10,15]}) 12. Qd2 (12. Rc1 Bh7 (12... Qe7
13. Qe1 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 13. d4 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (12. Nxf5 exf5 13.
Rf3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 12... Bh7 (12... Qe7 13. cxd5 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 13.
Nf3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) (11. Qe1 Nbd7 (11... Na6 12. Nc3 (12. d4 dxc4 (12...
Bb4 13. Qd1 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 13. bxc4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) (12. Qg3 Bh7 (
12... dxc4 13. Nxf5 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 13. Rd1 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 12... Bh7
(12... Bc5 13. d4 $11 {[%eval 4,15]}) 13. Rd1 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) (11... Bh7
12. Nf3 (12. Nc3 Nbd7 (12... Re8 13. Nf3 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 13. d4 $11 {
[%eval -12,15]}) (12. Qg3 Nbd7 (12... dxc4 13. bxc4 $11 {[%eval -17,15]}) 13.
Nf3 $11 {[%eval -17,15]}) 12... Na6 (12... Nbd7 13. Ne5 $11 {[%eval -2,15]})
13. Qd2 $11 {[%eval -2,15]}) 12. Nc3 (12. Nd2 Bh7 (12... Bc5 13. Qg3 $11 {
[%eval -11,15]}) 13. Nhf3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (12. cxd5 cxd5 13. Nc3 $11 {
[%eval -17,15]}) 12... Bh7 (12... dxc4 13. bxc4 $11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 13. d4 $11
{[%eval -12,15]}) 11... exf5 12. Be5 (12. Qd2 Re8 (12... Qe7 13. Bxf6 $11 {
[%eval -3,15]}) 13. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -19,15]}) (12. Nc3 Qe7 (12... Re8 13. Rf3
$11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 13. Rf3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 12... Be7 (12... Re8 13. d4
$11 {[%eval -6,15]}) 13. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]} *
Time for this move: 1:01:07 (57:10+3:57)
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6 11. Nxf5 exf5
11.00 0:01 -0.08 11...exf5 12.Nc3 Re8 13.Rf3 Qa5 14.cxd5 cxd5 15.a3 Nbd7 (201.152) 134
12.01 0:01 -0.03 11...exf5 12.Nc3 Re8 13.Rf3 Qa5 14.cxd5 cxd5 15.a3 Nbd7 16.b4 (255.726) 137
13.01 0:04 +0.02 11...exf5 12.Be5 Qe7 13.d4 Ne4 14.Qd3 Na6 15.a3 Nc7 16.Nd2 (642.125) 138
14.01 0:11 0.00 11...exf5 12.Be5 Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Nd2 Nc3 15.Qe1 Nxe2+ 16.Qxe2 Bf8 17.Qd3 f6 18.Bxb8 Rxb8 19.a3 Qd7 (1.587.301) 142
15.01 0:18 0.00 11...exf5 12.Be5 Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Nd2 Nc3 15.Qe1 Nxe2+ 16.Qxe2 Bf8 17.Qd3 f6 18.Bxb8 Rxb8 19.a3 Qd7 (2.573.799) 144
16.01 0:29 -0.04 11...exf5 12.Be5 Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Nd2 Nc3 15.Qe1 Nxe2+ 16.Qxe2 Bf8 17.Qd3 f6 18.Bxb8 Rxb8 19.a3 Qd7 20.b4 (4.366.988) 150
17.01 0:52 -0.05 11...exf5 12.Be5 Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Nd2 Nc3 15.Qe1 Nxe2+ 16.Qxe2 Bf8 17.Qd3 Qd7 18.Rf3 f6 19.Bxb8 Raxb8 20.Rg3 Qe6 21.a3 (7.987.554) 155
18.01 2:16 -0.09 11...exf5 12.Be5 Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Nd2 Nc3 15.Qe1 Nxe2+ 16.Qxe2 Bf8 17.Qd3 Qd7 18.Rf3 f6 19.Bxb8 Raxb8 20.Rg3 Qe6 21.a3 b6 (21.082.018) 158
19.01 7:16 -0.12 11...exf5 12.Be5 Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Bd3 Bf8 15.Bxe4 dxe4 16.Bxb8 Rxb8 17.a3 Qd7 18.Nc3 a5 19.Qc2 b5 20.c5 Be7 (69.039.614) 161
best move: e6xf5 time: 7:42.782 min n/s: 161.412 nodes: 72.923.545
Remaining bank: 53:24
I'm still not sure if it's fair to accumulate so much bank on obvious recaptures.
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6 11. Nxf5 exf5
rn1q1rk1/pp3pp1/2pb1n1p/3p1p2/2P2P2/1P1PP3/PB2B1PP/RN1Q1RK1 w - -
11.00 0:01 -0.08 11...exf5 12.Nc3 Re8 13.Rf3 Qa5 14.cxd5 cxd5 15.a3 Nbd7 (201.152) 134
12.01 0:01 -0.03 11...exf5 12.Nc3 Re8 13.Rf3 Qa5 14.cxd5 cxd5 15.a3 Nbd7 16.b4 (255.726) 137
13.01 0:04 +0.02 11...exf5 12.Be5 Qe7 13.d4 Ne4 14.Qd3 Na6 15.a3 Nc7 16.Nd2 (642.125) 138
14.01 0:11 0.00 11...exf5 12.Be5 Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Nd2 Nc3 15.Qe1 Nxe2+ 16.Qxe2 Bf8 17.Qd3 f6 18.Bxb8 Rxb8 19.a3 Qd7 (1.587.301) 142
15.01 0:18 0.00 11...exf5 12.Be5 Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Nd2 Nc3 15.Qe1 Nxe2+ 16.Qxe2 Bf8 17.Qd3 f6 18.Bxb8 Rxb8 19.a3 Qd7 (2.573.799) 144
16.01 0:29 -0.04 11...exf5 12.Be5 Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Nd2 Nc3 15.Qe1 Nxe2+ 16.Qxe2 Bf8 17.Qd3 f6 18.Bxb8 Rxb8 19.a3 Qd7 20.b4 (4.366.988) 150
17.01 0:52 -0.05 11...exf5 12.Be5 Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Nd2 Nc3 15.Qe1 Nxe2+ 16.Qxe2 Bf8 17.Qd3 Qd7 18.Rf3 f6 19.Bxb8 Raxb8 20.Rg3 Qe6 21.a3 (7.987.554) 155
18.01 2:16 -0.09 11...exf5 12.Be5 Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Nd2 Nc3 15.Qe1 Nxe2+ 16.Qxe2 Bf8 17.Qd3 Qd7 18.Rf3 f6 19.Bxb8 Raxb8 20.Rg3 Qe6 21.a3 b6 (21.082.018) 158
19.01 7:16 -0.12 11...exf5 12.Be5 Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Bd3 Bf8 15.Bxe4 dxe4 16.Bxb8 Rxb8 17.a3 Qd7 18.Nc3 a5 19.Qc2 b5 20.c5 Be7 (69.039.614) 161
best move: e6xf5 time: 7:42.782 min n/s: 161.412 nodes: 72.923.545
Remaining bank: 53:24
I'm still not sure if it's fair to accumulate so much bank on obvious recaptures.
Flag!
Oh well, I'll wait
>24h/move as a guideline but overstepping time limit doesn't mean time forfeit.
Oh well, I'll wait
I just noticed that the forum posts are not annotated in my local time...
Time consumed: 38 minutes
12. Be5
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6 11. Nxf5 exf5 12. Be5
{2048MB, vytron.ctg, ATS-PENRYN} 1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6 11. Nxf5 exf5 12. Be5 (
12. Rf3 Re8 (12... Qe7 13. Nc3 (13. Qc1 Na6 (13... Re8 14. Na3 $11 {
[%eval -11,15]}) 14. Na3 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) (13. Bxf6 Qxf6 14. d4 $11 {
[%eval -17,15]}) 13... Re8 (13... a6 14. d4 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 14. Qc2 $11 {
[%eval -11,15]}) (12... Nbd7 13. Na3 (13. Nc3 Re8 (13... a6 14. d4 $11 {
[%eval -7,15]}) 14. cxd5 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) (13. cxd5 Nxd5 (13... cxd5 14.
Na3 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 14. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -23,15]}) 13... Re8 (13... Qb6 14.
Nc2 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 14. Nc2 $11 {[%eval -2,15]}) 13. Na3 (13. Nc3 Ng4 (
13... Qe7 14. Qc2 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 14. Qd2 $11 {[%eval -21,15]}) (13. h3
Na6 (13... Nbd7 14. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -17,15]}) 14. d4 $11 {[%eval -21,15]})
13... Bxa3 (13... d4 14. Nc2 $11 {[%eval -16,15]}) 14. Bxa3 $11 {[%eval -18,15]
}) (12. Qd2 Re8 (12... Qe7 13. Bxf6 (13. Bf3 dxc4 (13... Re8 14. Bd4 $11 {
[%eval -5,15]}) 14. bxc4 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) (13. Bd4 Nbd7 (13... dxc4 14.
bxc4 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 14. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 13... Qxf6 14. d4 $11 {
[%eval -9,15]}) (12... Na6 13. Na3 (13. Nc3 Re8 (13... Nc7 14. Bf3 $11 {
[%eval 0,15]}) 14. cxd5 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) (13. Bxf6 Qxf6 14. d4 $11 {
[%eval -10,15]}) 13... Bb4 (13... Nb4 14. Rac1 $11 {[%eval 1,15]}) 14. Qc1 $11
{[%eval -4,15]}) 13. Nc3 (13. Rf3 Nbd7 (13... Na6 14. d4 $11 {[%eval -17,15]})
14. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -20,15]}) (13. Bf3 Na6 (13... Qe7 14. Bd4 $11 {
[%eval -5,15]}) 14. cxd5 $15 {[%eval -27,15]}) 13... Qe7 (13... Qb6 14. d4 $11
{[%eval -5,15]}) 14. Rf3 $11 {[%eval -20,15]}) (12. Nc3 Re8 (12... Qe7 13. Rf3
(13. Qc1 Na6 (13... Nbd7 14. Bf3 $11 {[%eval -15,15]}) 14. Rf3 $11 {
[%eval -18,15]}) (13. Qd2 Re8 (13... Bc5 14. d4 $11 {[%eval -16,15]}) 14. Rf3
$11 {[%eval -20,15]}) 13... Re8 (13... Nbd7 14. cxd5 $11 {[%eval 8,15]}) 14.
Qc2 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) (12... Qd7 13. Qd2 (13. Bf3 Re8 (13... d4 14. exd4
$11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 14. Re1 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) (13. cxd5 cxd5 (13... Nxd5 14.
Rf3 $11 {[%eval 19,15]}) 14. Bf3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 13... Re8 (13... Na6 14.
cxd5 $11 {[%eval 13,15]}) 14. Na4 $11 {[%eval 5,15]}) 13. Qc1 (13. Rf3 Ng4 (
13... Qe7 14. Qc2 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 14. Qd2 $11 {[%eval -21,15]}) (13. Qd2
Qe7 (13... Na6 14. cxd5 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 14. Rf3 $11 {[%eval -20,15]})
13... Nbd7 (13... Na6 14. d4 $11 {[%eval -18,15]}) 14. Bf3 $11 {[%eval -19,15]}
) 12... Re8 (12... Be7 13. Bf3 (13. a3 Nbd7 (13... dxc4 14. bxc4 $11 {
[%eval -4,15]}) 14. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) (13. Nd2 Nbd7 (13... Ba3 14. Nf3
$11 {[%eval 6,15]}) 14. a3 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) 13... Nbd7 (13... Re8 14. Nc3
$11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 14. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) (12... Na6 13. Nc3 (13. d4 Be7
(13... Ne4 14. Bxd6 $11 {[%eval 3,15]}) 14. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) (13. Qc1
Rc8 (13... Qe7 14. d4 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 14. a3 $11 {[%eval -1,15]}) 13... Qe7
(13... Rc8 14. Qe1 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 14. d4 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 13. d4 Ne4 (
13... Be7 14. Nc3 $11 {[%eval 8,15]}) 14. Qc1 $11 {[%eval -12,15]} *
Time consumed: 38 minutes
12. Be5
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6 11. Nxf5 exf5 12. Be5
{2048MB, vytron.ctg, ATS-PENRYN} 1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6 11. Nxf5 exf5 12. Be5 (
12. Rf3 Re8 (12... Qe7 13. Nc3 (13. Qc1 Na6 (13... Re8 14. Na3 $11 {
[%eval -11,15]}) 14. Na3 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) (13. Bxf6 Qxf6 14. d4 $11 {
[%eval -17,15]}) 13... Re8 (13... a6 14. d4 $11 {[%eval -7,15]}) 14. Qc2 $11 {
[%eval -11,15]}) (12... Nbd7 13. Na3 (13. Nc3 Re8 (13... a6 14. d4 $11 {
[%eval -7,15]}) 14. cxd5 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) (13. cxd5 Nxd5 (13... cxd5 14.
Na3 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 14. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -23,15]}) 13... Re8 (13... Qb6 14.
Nc2 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 14. Nc2 $11 {[%eval -2,15]}) 13. Na3 (13. Nc3 Ng4 (
13... Qe7 14. Qc2 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 14. Qd2 $11 {[%eval -21,15]}) (13. h3
Na6 (13... Nbd7 14. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -17,15]}) 14. d4 $11 {[%eval -21,15]})
13... Bxa3 (13... d4 14. Nc2 $11 {[%eval -16,15]}) 14. Bxa3 $11 {[%eval -18,15]
}) (12. Qd2 Re8 (12... Qe7 13. Bxf6 (13. Bf3 dxc4 (13... Re8 14. Bd4 $11 {
[%eval -5,15]}) 14. bxc4 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) (13. Bd4 Nbd7 (13... dxc4 14.
bxc4 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 14. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 13... Qxf6 14. d4 $11 {
[%eval -9,15]}) (12... Na6 13. Na3 (13. Nc3 Re8 (13... Nc7 14. Bf3 $11 {
[%eval 0,15]}) 14. cxd5 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) (13. Bxf6 Qxf6 14. d4 $11 {
[%eval -10,15]}) 13... Bb4 (13... Nb4 14. Rac1 $11 {[%eval 1,15]}) 14. Qc1 $11
{[%eval -4,15]}) 13. Nc3 (13. Rf3 Nbd7 (13... Na6 14. d4 $11 {[%eval -17,15]})
14. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -20,15]}) (13. Bf3 Na6 (13... Qe7 14. Bd4 $11 {
[%eval -5,15]}) 14. cxd5 $15 {[%eval -27,15]}) 13... Qe7 (13... Qb6 14. d4 $11
{[%eval -5,15]}) 14. Rf3 $11 {[%eval -20,15]}) (12. Nc3 Re8 (12... Qe7 13. Rf3
(13. Qc1 Na6 (13... Nbd7 14. Bf3 $11 {[%eval -15,15]}) 14. Rf3 $11 {
[%eval -18,15]}) (13. Qd2 Re8 (13... Bc5 14. d4 $11 {[%eval -16,15]}) 14. Rf3
$11 {[%eval -20,15]}) 13... Re8 (13... Nbd7 14. cxd5 $11 {[%eval 8,15]}) 14.
Qc2 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) (12... Qd7 13. Qd2 (13. Bf3 Re8 (13... d4 14. exd4
$11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 14. Re1 $11 {[%eval -5,15]}) (13. cxd5 cxd5 (13... Nxd5 14.
Rf3 $11 {[%eval 19,15]}) 14. Bf3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) 13... Re8 (13... Na6 14.
cxd5 $11 {[%eval 13,15]}) 14. Na4 $11 {[%eval 5,15]}) 13. Qc1 (13. Rf3 Ng4 (
13... Qe7 14. Qc2 $11 {[%eval -11,15]}) 14. Qd2 $11 {[%eval -21,15]}) (13. Qd2
Qe7 (13... Na6 14. cxd5 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) 14. Rf3 $11 {[%eval -20,15]})
13... Nbd7 (13... Na6 14. d4 $11 {[%eval -18,15]}) 14. Bf3 $11 {[%eval -19,15]}
) 12... Re8 (12... Be7 13. Bf3 (13. a3 Nbd7 (13... dxc4 14. bxc4 $11 {
[%eval -4,15]}) 14. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) (13. Nd2 Nbd7 (13... Ba3 14. Nf3
$11 {[%eval 6,15]}) 14. a3 $11 {[%eval -10,15]}) 13... Nbd7 (13... Re8 14. Nc3
$11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 14. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -8,15]}) (12... Na6 13. Nc3 (13. d4 Be7
(13... Ne4 14. Bxd6 $11 {[%eval 3,15]}) 14. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -9,15]}) (13. Qc1
Rc8 (13... Qe7 14. d4 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 14. a3 $11 {[%eval -1,15]}) 13... Qe7
(13... Rc8 14. Qe1 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 14. d4 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 13. d4 Ne4 (
13... Be7 14. Nc3 $11 {[%eval 8,15]}) 14. Qc1 $11 {[%eval -12,15]} *
> my local time
You need to set it in your options.
Btw. Please have a look at this post regarding the recommended way to post moves in a game like the one you are playing here.
It is not clear that this is appropriate when the goal is to provide a DPA tree rather than a move or continuation. If it is appropriate, it would be nice to have an example.
Vytron could make this game an example by using his moderation magic.
![[fi]](/mwf/v12/flags/fi.png "Finland")
Your moderation magic wouldn't be enough? I thought the moderators got their moderative magic training from you?
He is playing the game, so I leave it to him to decide.
I don't think the effort is worth the result, we could always create a correctly hierarchical structure formated document after the game is finished, and it would require less effort to do than the branch-merging required to put the game in shape now (if I'm understanding correctly.)
Meanwhile Deleted can keep replying to my posts instead of doing it generally to the thread, if that makes him feel more comfortable.
Meanwhile Deleted can keep replying to my posts instead of doing it generally to the thread, if that makes him feel more comfortable.
screen capture + image shack might be an idea as well, if deleted wants to post the tree so its easily viewable to everyone
> effort
Clicking Branch/Move for a few posts was less effort than writing this post
Ok, I won't oppose to you doing it ;)
Done. Have a look and see if it is better.
How did you do it? Normally when I merge threads all the posts are marked unread, and it would have required lots of clicking, I suspect you took a different approach.
This was of course all within the same topic and as I said, it's as simple as clicking Branch/Move for each post that you want to put under the topic start post. This works because that is always the default "Parent post ID" (as you can easily check) when you click Branch.
Branch/Promote is only needed when you are going to promote a topic branch into a new topic (and btw. crosslink posts are not always needed when you do that).
You didn't say how you like this structure, but I find it much easier to follow the game this way. It's certainly easier to find the current position. Note that this structure also solves some of the problems that you and others have complained about in previous games.
Branch/Promote is only needed when you are going to promote a topic branch into a new topic (and btw. crosslink posts are not always needed when you do that).
You didn't say how you like this structure, but I find it much easier to follow the game this way. It's certainly easier to find the current position. Note that this structure also solves some of the problems that you and others have complained about in previous games.
Oh, I didn't understand the "Branch/Move" part, I now see that using Branch > Move wouldn't have required much effort, indeed. I've never used this feature before (I've always used Promote, then Merge to merge threads with themselves). My training continues
As for the thread structure, yeah, the game should be much easier to follow for spectators.
As for the thread structure, yeah, the game should be much easier to follow for spectators.
Back to depth 22. Also, for some reason it takes high depth for Rybka to read the hash, as it can be seen, at depth 13 she shows a wrong score of 0.00 for Re8, after she does read the hash the branching factor from depth 18 to depth 20 becomes 1.25 and 1.1, I suspect that without the glitch she could reach depth 20 in 4 minutes as a whole.
Time for this move: 1:52:07 (58:43 of scale + 53:24 of bank)
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6 11. Nxf5 exf5 12. Be5 Re8
11.00 0:02 +0.07 12...Qe7 13.d4 Nbd7 14.Qd3 Ne4 15.cxd5 cxd5 16.Nc3 Ndf6 17.Nb5 Bb4 (401.038) 142
12.01 0:04 +0.07 12...Qe7 13.d4 Nbd7 14.Qd3 Ne4 15.cxd5 cxd5 16.Nc3 Ndf6 17.Nb5 Bb4 (634.097) 140
13.01 0:07 +0.05 12...Qe7 13.d4 Nbd7 14.Qd3 Ne4 15.cxd5 cxd5 16.Nc3 Ndf6 17.Nb5 Bb4 18.a3 Ba5 19.b4 Bb6 20.Rac1 (1.031.647) 137
13.02 0:11 0.00 12...Re8 13.d4 Ne4 (1.556.290) 138
13.32 0:15 -0.04 12...Be7 13.Nc3 Nbd7 14.Qe1 Ng4 15.Bxg4 fxg4 16.cxd5 f6 17.d6 fxe5 18.dxe7 Qxe7 19.f5 Nf6 20.Qe2 (2.182.252) 141
14.01 0:27 -0.01 12...Be7 13.Nc3 Nbd7 14.Rc1 Ba3 15.Rc2 dxc4 16.bxc4 Bb4 17.Bd4 Re8 18.Bf3 Bc5 (3.938.051) 149
15.01 0:49 -0.06 12...Be7 13.Nc3 Nbd7 14.Bf3 Qa5 15.cxd5 Nxe5 16.fxe5 Qxc3 17.exf6 Qxf6 18.dxc6 bxc6 19.Qc2 Rac8 20.d4 Rfe8 21.Qc4 (7.234.379) 150
16.01 1:15 -0.06 12...Be7 13.Nc3 Nbd7 14.Bf3 Qa5 15.cxd5 Nxe5 16.fxe5 Qxc3 17.exf6 Qxf6 18.dxc6 bxc6 19.Qc2 Rac8 20.d4 Rfe8 21.Rae1 Ba3 22.Re2 (11.181.178) 152
17.01 2:53 -0.08 12...Be7 13.Nc3 Nbd7 14.Bf3 Bc5 15.Qe1 dxc4 16.bxc4 Nxe5 (27.140.880) 160
18.01 4:57 -0.04 12...Be7 13.Nc3 Nbd7 14.Bf3 Rc8 15.cxd5 Nxd5 16.Nxd5 cxd5 17.Bb2 Qa5 18.a3 Qb6 19.Re1 Bf6 20.d4 Qe6 21.Qd2 Be7 22.Qa5 (45.538.054) 156
18.02 7:41 -0.09 12...Re8 13.d4 Ne4 (70.548.961) 156
19.01 9:45 -0.12 12...Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Bf3 Bf8 15.Bxe4 dxe4 16.Bxb8 Rxb8 17.Qc2 Qd7 18.Nc3 Be7 19.Rad1 Rbd8 20.c5 Qc7 21.b4 b6 (90.540.743) 158
20.01 11:02 -0.12 12...Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Bf3 Bf8 15.Bxe4 dxe4 16.Bxb8 Rxb8 17.Qc2 Qd7 18.Nc3 Be7 19.Rad1 Rbd8 20.c5 Qc7 21.b4 (101.735.241) 157
21.01 26:03 -0.10 12...Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Bf3 Bf8 15.Bxe4 dxe4 16.Bxb8 Rxb8 17.Qc2 Qd7 18.Nc3 Be7 19.Rab1 b5 20.c5 Bf6 21.b4 a6 (242.511.851) 158
22.01 43:41 -0.10 12...Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Bf3 Bf8 15.Bxe4 dxe4 16.Bxb8 Rxb8 17.Qc2 Qc8 18.Nc3 Qe6 19.Qb2 Be7 20.Rfd1 Qd7 21.Qe2 Bb4 22.Qc2 b5 (398.998.844) 155
best move: Rf8-e8 time: 51:25.921 min n/s: 152.535 nodes: 459.656.396
Remaining bank: 1:00:41
Time for this move: 1:52:07 (58:43 of scale + 53:24 of bank)
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6 11. Nxf5 exf5 12. Be5 Re8
rn1qr1k1/pp3pp1/2pb1n1p/3pBp2/2P2P2/1P1PP3/P3B1PP/RN1Q1RK1 w - -
11.00 0:02 +0.07 12...Qe7 13.d4 Nbd7 14.Qd3 Ne4 15.cxd5 cxd5 16.Nc3 Ndf6 17.Nb5 Bb4 (401.038) 142
12.01 0:04 +0.07 12...Qe7 13.d4 Nbd7 14.Qd3 Ne4 15.cxd5 cxd5 16.Nc3 Ndf6 17.Nb5 Bb4 (634.097) 140
13.01 0:07 +0.05 12...Qe7 13.d4 Nbd7 14.Qd3 Ne4 15.cxd5 cxd5 16.Nc3 Ndf6 17.Nb5 Bb4 18.a3 Ba5 19.b4 Bb6 20.Rac1 (1.031.647) 137
13.02 0:11 0.00 12...Re8 13.d4 Ne4 (1.556.290) 138
13.32 0:15 -0.04 12...Be7 13.Nc3 Nbd7 14.Qe1 Ng4 15.Bxg4 fxg4 16.cxd5 f6 17.d6 fxe5 18.dxe7 Qxe7 19.f5 Nf6 20.Qe2 (2.182.252) 141
14.01 0:27 -0.01 12...Be7 13.Nc3 Nbd7 14.Rc1 Ba3 15.Rc2 dxc4 16.bxc4 Bb4 17.Bd4 Re8 18.Bf3 Bc5 (3.938.051) 149
15.01 0:49 -0.06 12...Be7 13.Nc3 Nbd7 14.Bf3 Qa5 15.cxd5 Nxe5 16.fxe5 Qxc3 17.exf6 Qxf6 18.dxc6 bxc6 19.Qc2 Rac8 20.d4 Rfe8 21.Qc4 (7.234.379) 150
16.01 1:15 -0.06 12...Be7 13.Nc3 Nbd7 14.Bf3 Qa5 15.cxd5 Nxe5 16.fxe5 Qxc3 17.exf6 Qxf6 18.dxc6 bxc6 19.Qc2 Rac8 20.d4 Rfe8 21.Rae1 Ba3 22.Re2 (11.181.178) 152
17.01 2:53 -0.08 12...Be7 13.Nc3 Nbd7 14.Bf3 Bc5 15.Qe1 dxc4 16.bxc4 Nxe5 (27.140.880) 160
18.01 4:57 -0.04 12...Be7 13.Nc3 Nbd7 14.Bf3 Rc8 15.cxd5 Nxd5 16.Nxd5 cxd5 17.Bb2 Qa5 18.a3 Qb6 19.Re1 Bf6 20.d4 Qe6 21.Qd2 Be7 22.Qa5 (45.538.054) 156
18.02 7:41 -0.09 12...Re8 13.d4 Ne4 (70.548.961) 156
19.01 9:45 -0.12 12...Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Bf3 Bf8 15.Bxe4 dxe4 16.Bxb8 Rxb8 17.Qc2 Qd7 18.Nc3 Be7 19.Rad1 Rbd8 20.c5 Qc7 21.b4 b6 (90.540.743) 158
20.01 11:02 -0.12 12...Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Bf3 Bf8 15.Bxe4 dxe4 16.Bxb8 Rxb8 17.Qc2 Qd7 18.Nc3 Be7 19.Rad1 Rbd8 20.c5 Qc7 21.b4 (101.735.241) 157
21.01 26:03 -0.10 12...Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Bf3 Bf8 15.Bxe4 dxe4 16.Bxb8 Rxb8 17.Qc2 Qd7 18.Nc3 Be7 19.Rab1 b5 20.c5 Bf6 21.b4 a6 (242.511.851) 158
22.01 43:41 -0.10 12...Re8 13.d4 Ne4 14.Bf3 Bf8 15.Bxe4 dxe4 16.Bxb8 Rxb8 17.Qc2 Qc8 18.Nc3 Qe6 19.Qb2 Be7 20.Rfd1 Qd7 21.Qe2 Bb4 22.Qc2 b5 (398.998.844) 155
best move: Rf8-e8 time: 51:25.921 min n/s: 152.535 nodes: 459.656.396
Remaining bank: 1:00:41
13. d4
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6 11. Nxf5 exf5 12. Be5
Re8 13. d4
Time for move: 19 minutes
The new format really confused me and I ended up analyzing for move 12 again (which occurred a lot faster the second time due to PH), then rolled back the PH and analyzed for move 13. Only d4 was considered at the root, probably because of some interaction with PH (not related to running move 12 twice).
{2048MB, vytron.ctg, ATS-PENRYN} 1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6 11. Nxf5 exf5 12. Be5
Re8 13. d4 Ne4 (13... Qe7 14. Qc2 (14. Bf3 Nbd7 (14... Na6 15. a3 $11 {
[%eval 8,15]}) 15. cxd5 $11 {[%eval 3,15]}) (14. c5 Bc7 (14... Bxe5 15. fxe5
$11 {[%eval 4,15]}) 15. Qd3 $11 {[%eval -1,15]}) 14... g6 (14... Ne4 15. Nc3
$11 {[%eval 13,15]}) 15. Nc3 $11 {[%eval 13,15]}) (13... Be7 14. Nc3 (14. Nd2
c5 (14... Nbd7 15. a3 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 15. Qc2 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) (14.
Bd3 g6 15. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 14... Bb4 (14... Nbd7 15. Qd3 $11 {
[%eval 8,15]}) 15. Qd3 $11 {[%eval 8,15]}) 14. Qc1 (14. Bf3 Bf8 (14... Be7 15.
Bxe4 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 15. Bxe4 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (14. Bd3 Bf8 (14... Na6
15. cxd5 $11 {[%eval 6,15]}) 15. Bxe4 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 14... Nd7 (14...
Qa5 15. Bxd6 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 15. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -13,15]} *
1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6 11. Nxf5 exf5 12. Be5
Re8 13. d4
Time for move: 19 minutes
The new format really confused me and I ended up analyzing for move 12 again (which occurred a lot faster the second time due to PH), then rolled back the PH and analyzed for move 13. Only d4 was considered at the root, probably because of some interaction with PH (not related to running move 12 twice).
{2048MB, vytron.ctg, ATS-PENRYN} 1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. f4 e6 5. Nf3
Bd6 6. Nh4 O-O 7. Be2 Be4 8. d3 Bf5 9. O-O h6 10. c4 c6 11. Nxf5 exf5 12. Be5
Re8 13. d4 Ne4 (13... Qe7 14. Qc2 (14. Bf3 Nbd7 (14... Na6 15. a3 $11 {
[%eval 8,15]}) 15. cxd5 $11 {[%eval 3,15]}) (14. c5 Bc7 (14... Bxe5 15. fxe5
$11 {[%eval 4,15]}) 15. Qd3 $11 {[%eval -1,15]}) 14... g6 (14... Ne4 15. Nc3
$11 {[%eval 13,15]}) 15. Nc3 $11 {[%eval 13,15]}) (13... Be7 14. Nc3 (14. Nd2
c5 (14... Nbd7 15. a3 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) 15. Qc2 $11 {[%eval -4,15]}) (14.
Bd3 g6 15. Nc3 $11 {[%eval -12,15]}) 14... Bb4 (14... Nbd7 15. Qd3 $11 {
[%eval 8,15]}) 15. Qd3 $11 {[%eval 8,15]}) 14. Qc1 (14. Bf3 Bf8 (14... Be7 15.
Bxe4 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 15. Bxe4 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) (14. Bd3 Bf8 (14... Na6
15. cxd5 $11 {[%eval 6,15]}) 15. Bxe4 $11 {[%eval -13,15]}) 14... Nd7 (14...
Qa5 15. Bxd6 $11 {[%eval 0,15]}) 15. Nd2 $11 {[%eval -13,15]} *
I can only observe here that my DPA does not produce output like that shown above. You must be using a different GUI than mine.
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